Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III

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Mpasta

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Vesey's agent is very close with both Gorton and Drury, and Vesey is great friends to Kevin Hayes.

If "being able to play close to home" is a valid reason for the Bruins to be on the short list, then the Rangers have valid reasons to be on the shortlist as well.

Not sure if it's his own speculation or if the writer has his own sources.

I could see the Rangers as a dark horse due to your reasons.

Carolina could be a nice dark horse

I doubt a kid who wants to play in a hockey market is going to want to go to Carolina.

PGH is the name of the airport letters. Like how Portland, Oregon is PDX.

Cool thanks. It looks weird to me when talking about the Penguins.

According to sites, analysts and hockey minds on sports shows.....His absolute ceiling if he hits his potential is 2nd line forward. His likelyhood projection is two way 3rd line forward.

Why people are throwing projections like 30 goals, 70 points is where I blur. 30 goals and 70 points makes you a top 15 points getter superstar, 30 goals top 20 superstar in today's NHL.

People on this site are projecting him to score like a Tavares or Stamkos, when the analysts and big name news coverage experts like Bob Mackenzie are projecting him to score like Andrew Shaw.

I am trying to figure out the reasoning.

You've also said that you haven't seen anything from him that would guarantee success at the NHL level so I have a hard time believing that you've actually ever watched him play.
 

PB37

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Vesey's agent is very close with both Gorton and Drury, and Vesey is great friends to Kevin Hayes.

If "being able to play close to home" is a valid reason for the Bruins to be on the short list, then the Rangers have valid reasons to be on the shortlist as well.

Not sure if it's his own speculation or if the writer has his own sources.

There's more to it than just being close to home. The Bruins are his favorite team and he's dreamed of putting on a jersey and being a Bruin since he was a kid.

But yes, I can see the Rangers being the short list. Big market team, east coast, etc etc.
 

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There's more to it than just being close to home. The Bruins are his favorite team and he's dreamed of putting on a jersey and being a Bruin since he was a kid.

But yes, I can see the Rangers being the short list. Big market team, east coast, etc etc.

Vesey college nearby as well - teammates classmates, great facility so much the Bruins do their training camp testing at Harvard. He can be home and get away to another familiar world in a half hour

He mentioned he loved his college experience and friends- it's a long ride from Chicago or Buffalo
 

Butt Ox

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Family friends mentioned he doesn't like living in Buffalo, views it as a bigger lowell (not the best of cities in mass...)

Bummer. He always seemed so happy staring into the abyss that is Matt Moulson's ice cream freezer. I hope he doesn't pack up his fancy unicorn suit and saddle up Rodrigues to head to greener pastures :scared:
 

PemIceKing

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Vesey college nearby as well - teammates classmates, great facility so much the Bruins do their training camp testing at Harvard. He can be home and get away to another familiar world in a half hour

He mentioned he loved his college experience and friends- it's a long ride from Chicago or Buffalo

But we all have to grow up sometime. College is over. Reality time. Leafs are the obvious choice for any young player in the direction they are headed.
 

Dogewow

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But we all have to grow up sometime. College is over. Reality time. Leafs are the obvious choice for any young player in the direction they are headed.

There is no "no brainer" or "obvious choice" in this matter. Why do people let obvious bias and homerism get in the way?
 

Dogewow

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Well, I know Buffalo made their pitch and he is still unsigned, so if you take them off the list....hmm.

The only one taking them off the list is you. Unlike Toronto, our young players are actually NHL proven, which bodes better for the "direction" argument your brought up.
 

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Vessy is going to sign a play with one of the best setup men in the game in Max Domi and soon to be Strome and keller.
 

PemIceKing

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The only one taking them off the list is you. Unlike Toronto, our young players are actually NHL proven, which bodes better for the "direction" argument your brought up.

Again not signed by the team who owns his exclusive rights. Same $ coming from whoever signs him. Pretty straight forward stuff.
 

Dogewow

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Again not signed by the team who owns his exclusive rights. Same $ coming from whoever signs him. Pretty straight forward stuff.

Dude said he was staying the course before he met with Buffalo, and is doing just that. Maybe Vesey has a specific place he wants to sign that isn't Buffalo, or maybe he really does want to see what other teams have to offer so he can make a more informed decision. We don't know.

I'm not gonna sit here and say I think he's signing with Buffalo 100%, but I don't think it's out of the question, and I'm going to sit here crossing teams off the "list" because of my biased opinion.
 

DJN21

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Again not signed by the team who owns his exclusive rights. Same $ coming from whoever signs him. Pretty straight forward stuff.

I'm far from optimistic he ends up in buffalo but he has made it abundantly clear at this point he intends to have his own bog free agent day where he can bask in all his offers. He wasn't gonna sign anywhere without having his day in the sun being the hottest commodity available.
 

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But we all have to grow up sometime. College is over. Reality time. Leafs are the obvious choice for any young player in the direction they are headed.

Remember when the Oilers were the obvious choice for the up and coming talent Justin Schultz?
 

gamer1035

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Leafs dont need him. We have enough up and coming wingers and not enough spots. Would enjoy tasting all the leaf haters tears though
 

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He's going to LA so he can wake up, walk out onto his balcony in mid December to this:

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I'm far from optimistic he ends up in buffalo but he has made it abundantly clear at this point he intends to have his own bog free agent day where he can bask in all his offers. He wasn't gonna sign anywhere without having his day in the sun being the hottest commodity available.

I'm of a mind that all the teams are pretty much going to study this...

How do Entry-Level Contracts Work?
Players younger than 25 years of age as of September 15 during the year of their first NHL contract must sign an entry-level contract which have set limitations - all entry-level contracts are two-way contracts and the maximum allowable salary for players drafted until 2022 is $925,000.

The length of the entry-level contract is also dependent on the player’s age:

18-21 years of age: 3 years
22-23 years of age: 2 years
24 years of age: 1 year


Entry-level contracts can still include signing and performance bonuses. Signing bonuses may not exceed 10 percent of the contract’s total compensation, and is paid to players annually. Performance bonuses for entry-level contracts, that are paid by the team and count against the salary cap cannot exceed a maximum of $2,850,000. Performance Bonuses are broken into 2 categories: Schedule A and Schedule B. Schedule A Bonuses may not exceed $212,500 per individual bonus, and $850,000 in total. There are two types of Schedule B Bonuses. League-wide award/trophy bonuses that are paid by the league and are not captured within the actual entry-level contract signed by the player, and player & club agreed upon bonuses, of which the maximum is $2million per season.

...and offer the max.

So he just picks.

I'm also of a mind he decided forever ago to play for the home team. ;)
 

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Mathews not withstanding I like the direction the yotes are heading more so yeah...

And what direction is that? "Matthews notwithstanding" is a rather large caveat. It's rather difficult to win a championship without that franchise centerman. The Coyotes might find theirs, or they might not. The Leafs are much more of a sure thing.

Then add in how the Leafs have the best management money can buy. The best coach in the NHL, the best scout in the world (Hunter), the best-funded analytics department. And they've been scooping up more draft picks and more <25 free agent talent than anybody, by a mile.

I like what Chayka is doing, but he's basically taking the same approach as Leafs management but with way fewer resources.
 
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