Confirmed Signing with Link: [BUF] Kyle Okposo (7 Years, $6.000M AAV)

[The Wizz]

Not true, by the various numbers put out by multiple sources.

That said, rather than debating re-apportionment of New York State, can we go back to talking about Okposo and this signing?

Meh... This is more fun...

 

[Yatzhee]

Well that's not true. A post industrial economy built on private service industry can be just has healthy and productive as an industrial economy.

NY's problem isn't where the tax money is funneling to, it's that NYC has ridiculous tax demands to fund bloated social welfare programs that Upstate never needed in the first place.

NYS would be much better off splitting into three states. NYC, North and Central NY, and WNY.

8m all in for a split, Syracuse to WNY, a new state, WNY, Olean can be the Capitol

 

[Yatzhee]

Not true, by the various numbers put out by multiple sources.

That said, rather than debating re-apportionment of New York State, can we go back to talking about Okposo and this signing?

Thank you, and yes, this Okposo fella. Where does he slot in? ROR or Eichel?

 

[The Wizz]

8m all in for a split, Syracuse to WNY, a new state, WNY, Olean can be the Capitol

I've always liked New Amsterdam better than West New York.

And Okposo is going on O'Reilly's wing opposite Kane. Eichel's wingers are going to be Reinhart and Vesey if he signs, or Girgensons until Nylander takes it from him.

 

[Regal]

Out of all the top UFAs on the market today, only Okposo comes close to the value of the contract. Ladd would too, but 7 years is too long. Buffalo has a decent forward core, but now needs to do something about that defense

Eriksson and Lucic are worth their dollar figures too. Like Ladd, it's the term that's the problem.

 

[paragon]

I'm usually against "splash" moves in free agency, but Buffalo really minimized risk with the player they went after and the way they structured his deal.

Minimized the risk? They gave him the buyout-proof Clarkson special with all that signing bonus money. I think Okposo is definitely worth the money, but the way the contract is structured is an insanely huge risk.

I would have rather given him 1M more per year than give him any signing bonus after his first year.

 

[Beerz]

Minimized the risk? They gave him the buyout-proof Clarkson special with all that signing bonus money. I think Okposo is definitely worth the money, but the way the contract is structured is an insanely huge risk.

I would have rather given him 1M more per year than give him any signing bonus after his first year.

It's not quite buyout proof.


And the way it is set up..he should be an easy trade to a budget team looking for a cap hit of 6 mill without paying a lot of actual real $$.

They could do this anytime after year 4

 

[Not Sure]

Minimized the risk? They gave him the buyout-proof Clarkson special with all that signing bonus money. I think Okposo is definitely worth the money, but the way the contract is structured is an insanely huge risk.

I would have rather given him 1M more per year than give him any signing bonus after his first year.

his signing bonus decreases over time while his salary goes up. I forget exact numbers but it was reported yesterday, something like, signing bonus $: 6-6-3-3-3-1-1, salary $: 1-1-3-3-3-4-4

 

[tsujimoto74]

Minimized the risk? They gave him the buyout-proof Clarkson special with all that signing bonus money. I think Okposo is definitely worth the money, but the way the contract is structured is an insanely huge risk.

I would have rather given him 1M more per year than give him any signing bonus after his first year.

The way Okposo's contract is structured, it should be movable to a cap floor team in the later years if Buffalo needs to clear space. He'll be owed less than his cap hit, and his NTC only covers 15 teams (full NMC for the first 2 years, though).

 

[gordie]

You sign a Okposo when you are close and Buffalo isn't close. Their D and Goaltending is no where near where it needs to be and they haven't even fired Dan Bylsma and moved on to a more competent coach yet. The Pegulas have no patience.

 

[paragon]

The way Okposo's contract is structured, it should be movable to a cap floor team in the later years if Buffalo needs to clear space. He'll be owed less than his cap hit, and his NTC only covers 15 teams (full NMC for the first 2 years, though).

Cap floor teams are often quite undesirable locations and are pretty likely to be on his NTC, if he cares about winning Stanley Cup at some point. I'm not saying he's immovable as Clarkson was also moved, but I'm saying it's pretty far fom the minimized risks claimed by Meichel Kane.

With the way his contract is structured I think it's never worth it to buy him out to save money. Even if you buy his last 3 years out you only save 3M in real money. And the cap savings are also pretty negligible.

 

[Not Sure]

Cap floor teams are often quite undesirable locations and are pretty likely to be on his NTC, if he cares about winning Stanley Cup at some point. I'm not saying he's immovable as Clarkson was also moved, but I'm saying it's pretty far fom the minimized risks claimed by Meichel Kane.

With the way his contract is structured I think it's never worth it to buy him out to save money. Even if you buy his last 3 years out you only save 3M in real money. And the cap savings are also pretty negligible.

Buy out in the final 3 years is fine, his signing bonus is reduced over time.

 

[The Wizz]

You sign a Okposo when you are close and Buffalo isn't close. Their D and Goaltending is no where near where it needs to be and they haven't even fired Dan Bylsma and moved on to a more competent coach yet. The Pegulas have no patience.

Our defense may not be the best in the league but it is adaquate. We have our #1 and several top 4 players, and when our top goalie was healthy last season, he posted very high save percentages. If these past few years have taught us anything, you don't need a top goalie to win.

 

[Aladyyn]

You sign a Okposo when you are close and Buffalo isn't close. Their D and Goaltending is no where near where it needs to be and they haven't even fired Dan Bylsma and moved on to a more competent coach yet. The Pegulas have no patience.

So you're saying we shouldn't be improving the team until we improve the team?

 

[gordie]

So you're saying we shouldn't be improving the team until we improve the team?

Priorities!!!!! D and Goaltending first. Hasn't Buffalo learned from the Evander Kane mistake yet??

 

[Aladyyn]

We have a goalie. And we improved our D. Idk what else you want us to do.

 

[ForsakenSabre]

We have a goalie. And we improved our D. Idk what else you want us to do.

If only this random hf poster was in charge of the Sabres! Clearly they would have us contending every year since they know how to build the right way

 

[Royal Thunder]

Priorities!!!!! D and Goaltending first. Hasn't Buffalo learned from the Evander Kane mistake yet??

Except.... By far our biggest issue last year was scoring goals. We need offense. Our D was adequate last year and is definitely improved, and goaltending was fine. Most fans have faith in Lehner and we will almost certainly add another goalie soon.

 

[Meichel Kane]

You sign a Okposo when you are close and Buffalo isn't close. Their D and Goaltending is no where near where it needs to be and they haven't even fired Dan Bylsma and moved on to a more competent coach yet. The Pegulas have no patience.

*demands patience*

*wants coach fired*

 

[Ace]

The problem continues to be people not understanding where Buffalo is in their rebuild. Around the halfway point of the season I suspect theyill figure it out.

Leaving subpar wingers for RoR and Eichel to play with doesn't help anyone.

Adding another D before expansion makes no sense either since one will be plucked away and that's a net gain of nothing.

Lehner played very well and has the year to show what he can do coming in healthy.

And the prospect ranks have a good group of potential under their super young core that's already made it up. Nylander, Fasching, Bailey, Baptiste, Rodrigues, Cornel, Asplund, Pu, Estephan, Carrier, Guhle, Borgen, Nelson, Martin, Ullmark, Peterson...

They haven't neglected potential futures either. That's why they acquired so many picks. They could bundle for players and still have something in the coffers.

The salt people have whenever the team improves is hilarious.

They're young. They're improving. They have prospect depth behind the young core. They signed a player. Deal with it.

It's like everyone knows that Edmonton staying at the bottom and not making moves for 8 years was horrible and ruined everyone...but acquiring top end talent like Risto, Eichel and Reinhart and then insulating them and giving them talent to play with so they don't sit at the bottom is...bad?

Um...

 

[Moskau]

Hockey's Future... where Edmonton is the most laughed at franchise but at the same time how people think you should build a team.

 

[tim212]

The problem continues to be people not understanding where Buffalo is in their rebuild. Around the halfway point of the season I suspect theyill figure it out.

Leaving subpar wingers for RoR and Eichel to play with doesn't help anyone.

Adding another D before expansion makes no sense either since one will be plucked away and that's a net gain of nothing.

Lehner played very well and has the year to show what he can do coming in healthy.

And the prospect ranks have a good group of potential under their super young core that's already made it up. Nylander, Fasching, Bailey, Baptiste, Rodrigues, Cornel, Asplund, Pu, Estephan, Carrier, Guhle, Borgen, Nelson, Martin, Ullmark, Peterson...

They haven't neglected potential futures either. That's why they acquired so many picks. They could bundle for players and still have something in the coffers.

The salt people have whenever the team improves is hilarious.

They're young. They're improving. They have prospect depth behind the young core. They signed a player. Deal with it.

It's like everyone knows that Edmonton staying at the bottom and not making moves for 8 years was horrible and ruined everyone...but acquiring top end talent like Risto, Eichel and Reinhart and then insulating them and giving them talent to play with so they don't sit at the bottom is...bad?

Um...

I guess it really shouldn't be shocking that posters here consistently hate on the sabres loading up with talent, considering they are set to beat up on every Canadian team- except edmonton- for the next decade or so.

I assume most of you are from Canada yes?

 

[Djp]

You sign a Okposo when you are close and Buffalo isn't close. Their D and Goaltending is no where near where it needs to be and they haven't even fired Dan Bylsma and moved on to a more competent coach yet. The Pegulas have no patience.

Priorities!!!!! D and Goaltending first. Hasn't Buffalo learned from the Evander Kane mistake yet??

Buffalo's problem last year was actually offense. They were middle in the league in GA but bottom 5 in GF.

The last 41 games they played at a playoff team rate si 8f they were prorated to 82 games they would have been in the playoff hunt.

They were just 6 games behind detroit for a playoff spot...win 6 of the regulation losses and they tie detroit.

Kane wasn't the reason they missed the playoffs.

 

[Ace]

They had one less win in regulation than Detroit last year despite not scoring at all.

How dare they add scoring.

 

[SI90]

This is going to be a good team. Only question mark is in goal.

Risto may establish himself this year as one of the best defenseman in the league.