Confirmed Trade: [BUF/EDM] Ryan McLeod and Tyler Tullio for Matt Savoie

[McFlyingV]

Good players are good players. Sometimes guys struggle a bit in a postseason when they’re young but you always bet on good players to figure it out instead of thinking there’s a magic wall come postseason that dooms them forever. He’s literally 25. And now you’re just buying yourself more time with the continued meathead logic since you know he’s not on a Playoff team. If in three years he’s playing middle six on a Stanley cup winner and excelling in the postseason meat heads just say “yeah we knew it was a terrible trade four years ago no need to keep harping”

It's not a post season, it was 4 straight post-seasons. It's not really a one off with him. He has refused to up his physicality or compete level. You can try and say playoffs are no different than regular season all you want, but that quite obviously not true. At some point you have to believe it's just not in a player's DNA (for lack of a better saying) when they haven't shown it for 4 straight playoffs. This is a guy they needed to be that shutdown 3rd line centre in the playoffs and if he can't play that role, which he has shown to date he can't, then it seemed like a good time to move on before his contract doubles in price.

 

[nickdawg95]

It's not a post season, it was 4 straight post-seasons. It's not really a one off with him. He has refused to up his physicality or compete level. You can try and say playoffs are no different than regular season all you want, but that quite obviously not true. At some point you have to believe it's just not in a player's DNA (for lack of a better saying) when they haven't shown it for 4 straight playoffs. This is a guy they needed to be that shutdown 3rd line centre in the playoffs and if he can't play that role, which he has shown to date he can't, then it seemed like a good time to move on before his contract doubles in price.

Stop being so salty. EDM Gave up Mcleod broberg and holloway for pratically nothing all of whom are having career years and EDM replacement all suck. get over it. your team wins trades and loses trades it's the way it goes. IDGAF what happen last year with Mcleod on the Oilers. this year he's a 50 point play anywhere guy who's good defensively.

 

[McFlyingV]

Stop being so salty. EDM Gave up Mcleod broberg and holloway for pratically nothing all of whom are having career years and EDM replacement all suck. get over it. your team wins trades and loses trades it's the way it goes. IDGAF what happen last year with Mcleod on the Oilers. this year he's a 50 point play anywhere guy who's good defensively.

Apparently you can't have a discussion without being "salty" (how old are you?).

I'm not trying to convince you he's not a good player or good fit for your team, I'm telling you he didn't fit his role well in Edmonton in the playoffs. I never once complained about his regular season play here. Thought he was a good regular season player and a mediocre to bad playoff player. Time will tell if he ever figures out tighter checking, higher intensity hockey, but I have a pretty good suspicion that the Oilers organization either didn't think he could or weren't willing to wait and gamble on him to figure that part out.

 

[nickdawg95]

Apparently you can't have a discussion without being "salty" (how old are you?).

I'm not trying to convince you he's not a good player or good fit for your team, I'm telling you he didn't fit his role well in Edmonton in the playoffs. I never once complained about his regular season play here. Thought he was a good regular season player and a mediocre to bad playoff player. Time will tell if he ever figures out tighter checking, higher intensity hockey, but I have a pretty good suspicion that the Oilers organization either didn't think he could or weren't willing to wait and gamble on him to figure that part out.

so you guys brought in Jeff "Tighter checking higher intensity hockey" Skinner

 

[McFlyingV]

so you guys brought in Jeff "Tighter checking higher intensity hockey" Skinner

Does Jeff Skinner play 3rd line centre? Skinner has shown so far at least a feistiness to go to hard areas of the ice. McLeod was allergic to going into the corners or near the front of the net in the playoffs.

I guess we'll have a better picture in a few weeks if Skinner offers anything come playoff time. A mystery box is a decent gamble over McLeod's 2023-24 playoff performance where he was one of our worst forwards.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Yeah I remember after the Winnipeg debacle when people thought 24 year old McDavid just magically wasn't good come postseason time too

 

[Fatass]

Good players are good players. Sometimes guys struggle a bit in a postseason when they’re young but you always bet on good players to figure it out instead of thinking there’s a magic wall come postseason that dooms them forever. He’s literally 25. And now you’re just buying yourself more time with the continued meathead logic since you know he’s not on a Playoff team. If in three years he’s playing middle six on a Stanley cup winner and excelling in the postseason meat heads just say “yeah we knew it was a terrible trade four years ago no need to keep harping”

Imo good players on one team aren’t necessarily good players on another. McLeod wasn’t good enough to play up the oilers lineup. He was okay on a strong Oiler club. In Buffalo he gets more opportunity to play up the lineup because that club doesn’t have the depth of talent the Oilers do. Yes, he is good in his new role but that doesn’t mean he could play that role on a top club. There are reasons why the Sabres are near the bottom of the league. And one of those is they have too many guys playing minutes that are too high in the lineup. Those players end in matchups that put them in over their heads. Then paying those guys like they are a higher minute guy and the club struggles.
If there wasn’t a salary cap the Oilers don’t make this trade.

 

[McFlyingV]

Yeah I remember after the Winnipeg debacle when people thought 24 year old McDavid just magically wasn't good come postseason time too

I think anyone with any critical thinking could realize a 4 game sample didn't tell us much (especially in a building with no fans), especially when he had an ok showing as a 20 year old and excellent showing the year prior.

Comparing a 4 game series to 56 playoff games, and 24 last year is certainly something.

 

[nickdawg95]

Does Jeff Skinner play 3rd line centre? Skinner has shown so far at least a feistiness to go to hard areas of the ice. McLeod was allergic to going into the corners or near the front of the net in the playoffs.

I guess we'll have a better picture in a few weeks if Skinner offers anything come playoff time. A mystery box is a decent gamble over McLeod's 2023-24 playoff performance where he was one of our worst forwards.

you've responded to literally everyone in this thread who said it was a good trade for buffalo, i'd say you're a lil salty.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I think anyone with any critical thinking could realize a 4 game sample didn't tell us much (especially in a building with no fans), especially when he had an ok showing as a 20 year old and excellent showing the year prior.

Comparing a 4 game series to 56 playoff games, and 24 last year is certainly something.

Yeah anyone with critical thinking understands that middle six players are going to have a lot more playoff variance to their game. Meat heads instead believe most strongly in the whole flip a switch thing for why Fernando Pisani is actually one of the most valuable pieces in the nhl after one postseason.

 

[McFlyingV]

you've responded to literally everyone in this thread who said it was a good trade for buffalo, i'd say you're a lil salty.

I quoted one person in this thread and have replied to people who interacted with me first (in fact you replied to me first fyi) And that one quote was:

Regular season performance was never the concern with McLeod.

Not a single mention on whether this was a good or bad trade for anyone. I'd work on that reading comprehension.

 

[McFlyingV]

Yeah anyone with critical thinking understands that middle six players are going to have a lot more playoff variance to their game. Meat heads instead believe most strongly in the whole flip a switch thing for why Fernando Pisani is actually one of the most valuable pieces in the nhl after one postseason.

Variance? He's been consistently not good in the playoffs. There's no variance its pretty consistent so far. 54 playoff games is more than a lot of middle 6 players play in their entire career. This isn't some small sample size.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Variance? He's been consistently not good in the playoffs. There's no variance its pretty consistent so far.

Meat heads logic. He has a large sample of good play suggesting he’s a good player.

 

[McFlyingV]

Meat heads logic. He has a large sample of good play suggesting he’s a good player.

There's a large sample suggesting he's not in the playoffs. You're trying to argue he's a good regular season player which I've already stated like 10 times in this thread. Do you want me to say it for an 11th time or are you going to keep arguing a strawman with me?

 

[nickdawg95]

I quoted one person in this thread and have replied to people who interacted with me first. And that one quote was:

Not a single mention on whether this was a good or bad trade for anyone. I'd work on that reading comprehension.

kid has a career year after being traded and all you're doing is shitting on him. very cringe and does display a lack of social awareness.

 

[WarriorofTime]

There's a large sample suggesting he's not in the playoffs.

Bingo. The magic playoff barrier that makes good players bad players. It’s nice for your logic that you get to just punt the question down the road since we don’t know next time he’s in playoffs which only half the teams qualify for.

Keep it classy.

 

[nickdawg95]

Imo good players on one team aren’t necessarily good players on another. McLeod wasn’t good enough to play up the oilers lineup. He was okay on a strong Oiler club. In Buffalo he gets more opportunity to play up the lineup because that club doesn’t have the depth of talent the Oilers do. Yes, he is good in his new role but that doesn’t mean he could play that role on a top club. There are reasons why the Sabres are near the bottom of the league. And one of those is they have too many guys playing minutes that are too high in the lineup. Those players end in matchups that put them in over their heads. Then paying those guys like they are a higher minute guy and the club struggles.
If there wasn’t a salary cap the Oilers don’t make this trade.

Yeah this makes sense which one of these players were playing too high in the lineup ?
O'rielly
eichel
reinhart
kane
ulmark?

 

[McFlyingV]

kid has a career year after being traded and all you're doing is shitting on him. very cringe and does display a lack of social awareness.

Haven't shit on him at all actually, and your "lack of social awareness" comment is comical with some of the recent posts you've made and then completely dodge my response. I've stated why he was let go by Edmonton, and my opinion on why they may have made that decision.

I can appreciate the player, and actually liked him quite a bit in his time here. But I also recognize his shortcomings which is that he shys away from contact, doesn't like to attack the net front/go into the corners, and that's a reason why he's struggled in 4 post seasons so far.

Could his game evolve if he gets back to the playoffs? Sure, it could. But he wasn't showing any signs of it evolving in Edmonton.

You do know everything is not personal on here right? "Cringe, Lack of social awareness" lmao you're a clown.

 

[McFlyingV]

Bingo. The magic playoff barrier that makes good players bad players. It’s nice for your logic that you get to just punt the question down the road since we don’t know next time he’s in playoffs which only half the teams qualify for.

Keep it classy.

Do you want me to work off information I don't have? I'm not punting anything down the road. I've justified why Edmonton was ok moving on from him, which is the evidence we have as of right now. He didn't play well in the playoffs here its that simple. There's nothing lacking in "class" from these comments. I've even said maybe he will turn that corner in the future. I wouldn't bet on it personally, as perimeter play has always been his knock even going back to his draft. It's why the Oilers got him in the 2nd round when he was a 1st round level talent. Obviously the Oilers weren't willing to bet on his game making any major changes in the playoffs either.

 

[nickdawg95]

Haven't shit on him at all actually, and your "lack of social awareness" comment is comical with some of the recent posts you've made and then completely dodge my response. I've stated why he was let go by Edmonton, and my opinion on how why they may have made that decision.

I can appreciate the player, and actually liked him quite a bit in his time here. But I also recognize his shortcomings which is that he shys away from contact, doesn't like to attack the net front/go into the corners, and that's a reason why he's struggled in 4 post seasons so far.

Could his game evolve if he gets back to the playoffs? Sure, it could. But he wasn't showing any signs of it evolving in Edmonton.

You do know everything is not personal on here right? "Cringe, Lack of social awareness" lmao you're a clown.

IMHO your replies/responses are cringe. but with that being said you shouldn't take everything so personal just expressing my opinion.

we'll just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Do you want me to work off information I don't have?

Dude we have plenty of information that McLeod is a good player. You’re straight up trolling the kid like it’s instagram comment post that he has a magic barrier come playoffs. Remember when the oilers killed 1000 straight penalties in the playoffs last year? I suppose you think Jeff Skinner will be a key member on the PK these playoffs? Come on, man, get it together. There’s supporting your team but blind homerism makes you look like a child.

 

[Fatass]

kid has a career year after being traded and all you're doing is shitting on him. very cringe and does display a lack of social awareness.

What? Social awareness? McLeod had a good year. But he had a bigger role than in Edmonton and on a really bad team. When teams play guys minutes that are over their heads, those clubs end up at the bottom of the league. Playing those minutes and putting up a career year in points doesn’t (necessarily) mean that player is now good. Now what kind of contract does McLeod get? This is why bad teams often get stuck being bad. They pay guys for roles that player isn’t really good enough for. Yes, it might work out and McLeod plays up to his contract and the role those dollars put him into. And the Sabres turn around and become a winner. But those two things need to happen before (imo) we can say he’s a good player on a winning team.

 

[McFlyingV]

IMHO your replies/responses are cringe. but with that being said you shouldn't take everything so personal just expressing my opinion.

we'll just agree to disagree on this one.

Here's the difference. I'm expressing my opinions on hockey, and you're expressing yours on something completely unrelated to hockey. Posts like yours quite literally make the discussion on this site trash. Are you here to discuss hockey or are you here to discuss "social awareness"?

 

[nickdawg95]

Here's the difference. I'm expressing my opinions on hockey, and you're expressing yours on something completely unrelated to hockey. Posts like yours quite literally make the discussion on this site trash. Are you here to discuss hockey or are you here to discuss "social awareness"?

Yeah im not reading all that.

 

[Fatass]

Yeah this makes sense which one of these players were playing too high in the lineup ?
O'rielly
eichel
reinhart
kane
ulmark?

You think McLeod is in the same tier of player as the guys you listed?