Confirmed Trade: [BUF/EDM] Ryan McLeod and Tyler Tullio for Matt Savoie

[Satanphonehome]

Regular season performance was never the concern with McLeod.

Or with Jeff Skinner, amirite?

 

[McDNicks17]

Or with Jeff Skinner, amirite?

Never playing in the playoffs is probably better than whatever McLeod was doing last year.

 

[Fatass]

And if young talented players don’t do anything on your team, and blossom the second they leave, your team may have problems as well

Not necessarily a problem with the previous club. Could be just that club had better players so the young guy wasn’t good enough to get opportunity. He’s goes to a club with lesser players and he gets more minutes and opportunity to play up the lineup.

 

[McFlyingV]

Or with Jeff Skinner, amirite?

How would we know? We have 4 straight post-seasons of McLeod being mediocre to bad. Last post-season by far being his worst where he not only provided no offence, but was also a defensive liability at 5v5.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

How would we know? We have 4 straight post-seasons of McLeod being mediocre to bad. Last post-season by far being his worst where he not only provided no offence, but was also a defensive liability at 5v5.

You have a bunch of seasons where Holloway was not producing anything of value too!

 

[McFlyingV]

You have a bunch of seasons where Holloway was not producing anything of value too!

Not really. Holloway hadn't played a full regular season, and had a pretty strong post-season considering he played mostly 4th line. I would have never advocated for letting Holloway walk, so I'm not sure this is the "gotchya" moment you thought it was going to be.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Not really. Holloway hadn't played a full regular season, and had a pretty strong post-season considering he played mostly 4th line. I would have never advocated for letting Holloway walk, so I'm not sure this is the "gotchya" moment you thought it was going to be.

No, the gotcha moment was when both Holloway and McLeod produced 2nd line point production....

 

[McFlyingV]

No, the gotcha moment was when both Holloway and McLeod produced 2nd line point production....

Well McLeod certainly won't be doing that in the playoffs this year. Holloway probably will, but I don't need you to tell me something was a blunder when I knew it was a blunder the day it happened.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Well McLeod certainly won't be doing that in the playoffs this year. Holloway probably will, but I don't need you to tell me something was a blunder when I knew it was a blunder the day it happened.

Two blunders. But yeah, you already know that.

 

[McFlyingV]

Two blunders. But yeah, you already know that.

Do I? I'll wait for McLeod to show he can do better than this stat line in the playoffs.
56-7-6-13 -13

 

[Fatass]

Do I? I'll wait for McLeod to show he can do better than this stat line in the playoffs.
56-7-6-13 -13

With this trade were the Oilers pretty much clearing cap space? It’s not like Savoi is going to contribute.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Do I? I'll wait for McLeod to show he can do better than this stat line in the playoffs.
56-7-6-13 -13

So you give him absolutely no credit for producing 53 points while having 2nd highest +/- on a bottom tier team? Oilers could have used some of that.

 

[Chainshot]

he went from:
BECK MALENSTYN - RYAN MCLEOD - SAM LAFFERTY
to
RYAN MCLEOD - JJ PETERKA - JACK QUINN

I think he proved hes a better 2 way forward than a lot gave him credit or. Also shows that JJP is incredible. I am really excited to watch his grow he plays the game the right way.

I mean, he started the year with Zucker and Greenway, then injuries and shuffling happened before ending centering Peterka and Quinn to end the year. What's wild is how much that line way outshot it's underlying numbers and they were regularly getting outshot widely.

 

[McFlyingV]

With this trade were the Oilers pretty much clearing cap space? It’s not like Savoi is going to contribute.

Yes they were because they signed Arvidsson+Skinner prior and didn't have clarity of Kane would miss the whole season or not. They also weren't very happy with McLeod's playoff performance last year evidence by him getting benched in multiple games (and scratched in one) for bad defensive gaffes.

I'd imagine they would have kept the player if they could have fit his money in, but I also think him never breaking through to have a positive impactful playoffs also likely played a factor.

 

[McFlyingV]

So you give him absolutely no credit for producing 53 points while having 2nd highest +/- on a bottom tier team? Oilers could have used some of that.

I've already stated his regular season performance was never a concern, are you struggling to keep up? The Oilers care about how players perform in the playoffs and he was dreadful last year, and mediocre to bad for 4 straight years.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Do I? I'll wait for McLeod to show he can do better than this stat line in the playoffs.
56-7-6-13 -13

Meat head logic

 

[McFlyingV]

Meat head logic

Please do elaborate. McLeod was a good regular season player here last year too, and in fact at one point I even said last year how nice it's been watching him develop into such a good 2-way forward. And then playoffs came, and his game fell off a cliff when time, space, and physicality picked up. His 2-way game went in the gutter. He was constantly outmuscled on pucks. Wouldn't go to any of the dirty areas and wouldn't take a hit to make a play. Continued to make risky plays that ended up in the back of the net and eventually got him demoted and even healthy scratched.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I've already stated his regular season performance was never a concern, are you struggling to keep up? The Oilers care about how players perform in the playoffs and he was dreadful last year, and mediocre to bad for 4 straight years.

Yet they have Connor Brown, JEff Skinner and Adam Henrique in the lineup (and Arviddson too).

 

[McFlyingV]

Yet they have Connor Brown, JEff Skinner and Adam Henrique in the lineup (and Arviddson too).

Two of those 3 players (the ones who were here) had much better playoffs than McLeod last year.

 

[Fatass]

Yes they were because they signed Arvidsson+Skinner prior and didn't have clarity of Kane would miss the whole season or not. They also weren't very happy with McLeod's playoff performance last year evidence by him getting benched in multiple games (and scratched in one) for bad defensive gaffes.

I'd imagine they would have kept the player if they could have fit his money in, but I also think him never breaking through to have a positive impactful playoffs also likely played a factor.

That’s how I see it too. They could have moved him in a player for player deal too but chose to keep that cap open by taking back a prospect. McLeod got opportunity on a much weaker team he wasn’t going to get in Edmonton.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Please do elaborate.

Good players are good players. Sometimes guys struggle a bit in a postseason when they’re young but you always bet on good players to figure it out instead of thinking there’s a magic wall come postseason that dooms them forever. He’s literally 25. And now you’re just buying yourself more time with the continued meathead logic since you know he’s not on a Playoff team. If in three years he’s playing middle six on a Stanley cup winner and excelling in the postseason meat heads just say “yeah we knew it was a terrible trade four years ago no need to keep harping”

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Two of those 3 players (the ones who were here) had much better playoffs than McLeod last year.

McLeod would be an ideal player to have at the moment. He's defensively responsible and provides 2ndary scoring.

The Oilers have taken on players who have dismal playoff track records or none at all. So its obvious they weren't concerned about that when they traded McLeod. Oilers thought they were getting gold in Matt Savoie. Fools gold is what that was....

 

[McFlyingV]

That’s how I see it too. They could have moved him in a player for player deal too but chose to keep that cap open by taking back a prospect. McLeod got opportunity on a much weaker team he wasn’t going to get in Edmonton.

Pretty much. My stance on it was McLeod wasn't giving Edmonton what they needed at the time of the year they needed it. He was a good regular season player for them, and I'm not surprised he's performed even better in a bigger role elsewhere. He had 4 post-seasons to really show he could elevate his game and he didn't at any point do that. With 1 season left until he gets a big raise they had a decision to make, and they decided he's not the guy for that shutdown 3C role for the money he'd be making, so they chose to get a guy who could be a cheap ELC impact player next year or the following year.

Who knows maybe McLeod flips a switch in the playoffs later in his career, but the Oilers don't exactly have time to wait for that. He had 4 chances and at no point did he show he could elevate his game in the role they need him to play.

 

[belair]

Yet they have Connor Brown, JEff Skinner and Adam Henrique in the lineup (and Arviddson too).

I take Connor Brown at $1-2m moving forward over McLeod at whatever he's about to get on his extension. Brown is an exceptional role player and can plug in anywhere.

 

[McFlyingV]

McLeod would be an ideal player to have at the moment. He's defensively responsible and provides 2ndary scoring.

The Oilers have taken on players who have dismal playoff track records or none at all. So its obvious they weren't concerned about that when they traded McLeod. Oilers thought they were getting gold in Matt Savoie. Fools gold is what that was....

McLeod was defensively responsible and provided secondary scoring last year as well in less minutes and almost exclusively 3rd line assignments. Then the playoffs came and his defensively responsible game evaporated because he refused to up his physicality and compete level.

The Oilers took on Arvidsson, who has a fine playoff resume, and Skinner who has none. All of the other players they retained (Brown, Henrique, Janmark) outplayed McLeod handily in last year's playoffs.