Value of: Buchnevich to MTL

[Shootertooter]

Petry > Skjei and Pionk
Value wise I think Juulsen is close to Buch
Strome has little to no value
Smith has negative value

On top of that you have Habs giving up 3 1sts. Absolute garbage proposal.

Staalsy, is there any other type of proposal coming from him?

 

[Just Linda]

The market sets the price
that is not clear just yet, but if he were on the market I kind of agree with @Machinehead as to the 2nd +, but I think due to the competition it gets pushed up a notch to a strong +, or anything which is equivalent of that.

Another way to minimize currency used is the backscratch.
We have LD prospects, and we want to move Smith, who once --- ONCE, I know --- played well enuf in POs to get his current deal, 2 seasons past this, 4.35 per for horrible to inconsistently acceptably good play, with only toughness his dependable asset. Shoots left but plays right. Could be a 7D

We also need to deplete excess F depth, this would allow coach Quinn to mold a smaller core who would be overworked from lack of depth which helps our tank. Translation: Strome, a former 5OA talent who mostly sucked w/Oil but has looked good for NYR, a righty shot, says 'hi'.

And Habs recognize need for a LD.

Rangers basically prefer futures, esp picks

So
Buch
Strome
Skjei
Pionk
Smith
current ballpark cap = roughly 13.5m

for
2019 1st unconditional
two 1sts during 2020 - 2025, also unconditional but Canadiens to decide which years
Petry [needed for cap balance, Alzner is unacceptable]
Juulsen [value discounted to cap dump due to current vision issues]
cap dumps Schlemko and McCarron
current ballpark cap = pushing 8m
cap dif = 5.5 ishm cap relief to Rangers from Habs current 9.35m cap space [per capfriendly] leaving Montreal with 4ish m cap space

elc Pionk for salaried Petry necessary to close $ gap in deal

otherwise
5 bodies for 4
NY gets
1 immediate pick and 2 over next 4 years
a maybe on Juulsen
productive RD in Petry
lose Smith
add cap relief

Montreal gets
Skjei long term good $ - unclear his upside, no ? he can skate
talented righty F in Strome
talented W either side in Buch
young cheap RD in Pionk
unloads 2 pieces not gonna make varsity
takes on 1 excess contract but still = bottom pair/7th D

I think this deal would give Montreal a shot vs the big guys, Leafs, TB, SJS; with hope Price steals a few you have a chance

In what world...

A legit top pairing D is not a cap dump

Juulsen's eye injury doesn't sink his value, if he recovers then his value is still sky high. He would be traded at healthy value not hurt value.

Juulsen and Petry exceed the value of the other pieces. On top of that you add 3 first rounders and 2 other mostly useless depth players?

Good golly man, this is beyond rediculous. Literally the worst trade I've read on here. Worse than even the Crosby offers I've heard.

 

[cwede]

Ikonen, Ylonen and MacNiven.
Or NYR can just keep him, he's not on the intended available list

 

[wafflepadsave]

The guy has averaged 55+pts since 2014, is that not prolific enough?

Goals!

 

[One Winged Angel]

Staalsy, is there any other type of proposal coming from him?

No. It’s ridiculous. When in recent history have we seen anything that resembles one of his proposals?

 

[Legend123]

The market sets the price
that is not clear just yet, but if he were on the market I kind of agree with @Machinehead as to the 2nd +, but I think due to the competition it gets pushed up a notch to a strong +, or anything which is equivalent of that.

Another way to minimize currency used is the backscratch.
We have LD prospects, and we want to move Smith, who once --- ONCE, I know --- played well enuf in POs to get his current deal, 2 seasons past this, 4.35 per for horrible to inconsistently acceptably good play, with only toughness his dependable asset. Shoots left but plays right. Could be a 7D

We also need to deplete excess F depth, this would allow coach Quinn to mold a smaller core who would be overworked from lack of depth which helps our tank. Translation: Strome, a former 5OA talent who mostly sucked w/Oil but has looked good for NYR, a righty shot, says 'hi'.

And Habs recognize need for a LD.

Rangers basically prefer futures, esp picks

So
Buch
Strome
Skjei
Pionk
Smith
current ballpark cap = roughly 13.5m

for
2019 1st unconditional
two 1sts during 2020 - 2025, also unconditional but Canadiens to decide which years
Petry [needed for cap balance, Alzner is unacceptable]
Juulsen [value discounted to cap dump due to current vision issues]
cap dumps Schlemko and McCarron
current ballpark cap = pushing 8m
cap dif = 5.5 ishm cap relief to Rangers from Habs current 9.35m cap space [per capfriendly] leaving Montreal with 4ish m cap space

elc Pionk for salaried Petry necessary to close $ gap in deal

otherwise
5 bodies for 4
NY gets
1 immediate pick and 2 over next 4 years
a maybe on Juulsen
productive RD in Petry
lose Smith
add cap relief

Montreal gets
Skjei long term good $ - unclear his upside, no ? he can skate
talented righty F in Strome
talented W either side in Buch
young cheap RD in Pionk
unloads 2 pieces not gonna make varsity
takes on 1 excess contract but still = bottom pair/7th D

I think this deal would give Montreal a shot vs the big guys, Leafs, TB, SJS; with hope Price steals a few you have a chance

No one is giving up 3 firsts for those players. I would rather just offersheet players like Laine and trade off salary in a trade

 

[Shootertooter]

No. It’s ridiculous. When in recent history have we seen anything that resembles one of his proposals?

He doesn't think so.

 

[Lays]

Because he doesn't bring anything more then the guys on our top9 already bring

He's not betetr than Drouin-Gallagher-Tatar-Byron-Armia-Lehkhonen. Case could be made regarding Shaw, but Shaw brings other stuff on the ice.

Why waste assets on a player that won,t impore our top9 significantly? If we were to trade said assets, betetr be on someone that actually fills a need.

lmao

 

[Kent Nilsson]

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[bernmeister]

Petry > Skjei and Pionk
Value wise I think Juulsen is close to Buch
Strome has little to no value
Smith has negative value

On top of that you have Habs giving up 3 1sts. Absolute garbage proposal.

I'll withdraw it as upon reflection I overreached.
That said, I disagree w/your assessment above:
Skjei's potential is unclear, but he is certain based on skating to fulfill his NHL contract, so worth a 1st.
Strome + Buch package is worth more than a 1st
EACH is worth a MIN of a 2nd + if not more, double that and you get a 1st +, and remember some of this is being on installment.

Smith has negative value I agree

Juulsen I viewed as negative value due to his injury status and HOPE, sure you can HOPE, I wanna be wrong for the kid, but there is no basis today to gamble that as a certainty he will return to form.

I underrated Petry by an unacceptable margin.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I'll withdraw it as upon reflection I overreached.
That said, I disagree w/your assessment above:
Skjei's potential is unclear, but he is certain based on skating to fulfill his NHL contract, so worth a 1st.
Strome + Buch package is worth more than a 1st
EACH is worth a MIN of a 2nd + if not more, double that and you get a 1st +, and remember some of this is being on installment.

Smith has negative value I agree

Juulsen I viewed as negative value due to his injury status and HOPE, sure you can HOPE, I wanna be wrong for the kid, but there is no basis today to gamble that as a certainty he will return to form.

I underrated Petry by an unacceptable margin.

So you view Juulsen as having negative value but Strome as having the value of a 2nd? Interesting

 

[TML1967]

Considering how you got a non-rental Muzzin (a true top-3 with excellent stats & excellent play) for a likely very late 1st + 2 average prospects, I'll offer you a 2nd + 4th + Brett Lernout for an overrated, mistake-filled Gardiner. Deal?

I'd not call Grundstrom or Durzi average, both are recent 2nd round picks who's value has only maintained/increased.

2nd + Josh Brooks
Or
2nd + Columbus 2nd +4th?

 

[Legend123]

I'll withdraw it as upon reflection I overreached.
That said, I disagree w/your assessment above:
Skjei's potential is unclear, but he is certain based on skating to fulfill his NHL contract, so worth a 1st.
Strome + Buch package is worth more than a 1st
EACH is worth a MIN of a 2nd + if not more, double that and you get a 1st +, and remember some of this is being on installment.

Smith has negative value I agree

Juulsen I viewed as negative value due to his injury status and HOPE, sure you can HOPE, I wanna be wrong for the kid, but there is no basis today to gamble that as a certainty he will return to form.

I underrated Petry by an unacceptable margin.

How can a prospect possibly have negative value?? Hes on ELC. And first arent just dangled away like you seem to think. Certain teams highly value 1rsts, more so than the players u listed.

 

[sansabri]

I'd not call Grundstrom or Durzi average, both are recent 2nd round picks who's value has only maintained/increased.

2nd + Josh Brooks
Or
2nd + Columbus 2nd +4th?

We're not dumping Brook for a rental.

 

[donpaulo]

ok I'll dive in on the habs love fest

Buch for a 2nd +

that plus better be a pretty good plus

Buchnevich is such a frustrating player because he checks most of the boxes but simply doesn't compete enough of the time to warrant a fixed spot on a top 2 scoring line. Yet his "value" to NY is that of a top 6 guy. So Montreal has to make an offer for a player with that approx value for NY to consider the offer.

Looking over the Montreal prospects I don't see any names that interest this ranger fan enough to trade Buch for. Two 2nds doesn't really move the needle either.

NY is attempting to build something and despite Buch's lack of a full season of hustle, he does fit the mold. He won't be a core guy, but every team needs roleplayers. Who knows maybe he wakes up one day and realizes he can become more than he is by showing up for every game.

Now if Montreal is interested in taking a bad contract such as Smith, then at least this fan is listening. But otherwise, thanks but no thanks.

 

[thepuckguru]

Because we'd then have less assets to obtain that aforementioned elusive #1 LD?

Completely uninterested in a rental but I'd give you Hudon for him.

Ok so what if we can't land that #1 LD?
We just stop trying to improve our team?

 

[viceroy]

Ok so what if we can't land that #1 LD?
We just stop trying to improve our team?

We don't waste assets trying to tweak our team just for shits and giggles. Oh and the main way we should try and improve our club? The draft.

 

[HABSFTW]

Ya I view this is a nice to have maybe, but not a need. If we're to spend assets, LHD is where they should go.

 

[thepuckguru]

We don't waste assets trying to tweak our team just for ****s and giggles. Oh and the main way we should try and improve our club? The draft.

I'm not talking about doing it for shits and giggles. I'm talking about improving our depth. When the caps gave us two 2nd rounders for Eller, was that just for fun. Did he help them? Was it worth it? Yeah I'd say so.
Obviously the draft is important and perhaps even the main way. But when you state it's the main way you are also saying it's not the only way. Droin, Domi, Tatar, Danault, Petry, Armia, Weber, Shaw, etc are key core players of differing value that we didn't acquire through the draft.

 

[HABSFTW]

Droin, Domi, Tatar, Danault, Petry, Armia, Weber, Shaw, etc are key core players of differing value that we didn't acquire through the draft.

How did we get Drouin, Domi, Tatar, Petry (2nd,5th), Weber, Shaw (2 seconds). Players/picks through the draft. Might not be direct but it's not like they were free agent signings.

 

[viceroy]

When the caps gave us two 2nd rounders for Eller, was that just for fun.

No it was a finishing move. You see they already had Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Wilson, Carlson and Holtby. Then comes the "peaufinage" for a proper run at the Cup. Are we, the Habs, at the finishing stage? f*** no. We'll need LD to be a pretender and then put the finishing stages to be a contender. Another 2-3 yrs and we can be there.

Patience for chrissakes.

 

[Pierre Lebrun]

Considering the age and upside of Buschnevich and Skjei, I’d trade a 1st + Suzuki + a guy like Lernout.

 

[Kupo]

Bern's strategy when selecting his next trade victims.

Last week it was Howden. The week before it was Andersson. Tomorrow we'll see him offer Gratchev, even though he hasn't been in this organization for years. After realizing Gratchev plays in the KHL, he'll formulate a new master plan to sign Gratchev and then flip him for profit.

 

[BBKers]

Habs just got Berned

 

[eco's bones]

Buchnevich has a lot of talent. If his game was more rounded and consistent he would fit into almost any team's top 6.

I think the Rangers coaching staff/management are a bit frustrated with him and might in fact be open to moving him. He's a player that needs to push himself more. He could turn into a real star or he could end up back in Europe in the next couple years. It's up to him really to take a step forward and IMO he could go either way.

I don't know if he's worth a 1st but IMO he's worth more than a later 2nd. Montreal would have to give me something else.