Value of: Buchnevich to MTL

[Mersss]

Is he better then Chaput, Agastino, Hudon, Peca? If so then why not? Why not improve our forwards and continue to look for that ever elusive no1 LHD.

Because he doesn't bring anything more then the guys on our top9 already bring

He's not betetr than Drouin-Gallagher-Tatar-Byron-Armia-Lehkhonen. Case could be made regarding Shaw, but Shaw brings other stuff on the ice.

Why waste assets on a player that won,t impore our top9 significantly? If we were to trade said assets, betetr be on someone that actually fills a need.

 

[thepuckguru]

Because he doesn't bring anything more then the guys on our top9 already bring

He's not betetr than Drouin-Gallagher-Tatar-Byron-Armia-Lehkhonen. Case could be made regarding Shaw, but Shaw brings other stuff on the ice.

Why waste assets on a player that won,t impore our top9 significantly? If we were to trade said assets, betetr be on someone that actually fills a need.

How about our top 12? Role with 4 good lines. Create even more depth. Habs don't really have top tier offensive players so rolling 4 lines will help us compete with the leafs, Bruins and bolts come playoffs. Not to mention he is only 23 and has good size to go with excellent offensive potential.

 

[TML1967]

We need a top-4 LHD.

Trading significant assets to get Buch when we aren't a contender makes zero sense. We are deep in forwards.

Jake Gardiner. Let's make a deal

 

[Kraken Jokes]

We're on page 2. Has a Rangers fan responded yet or am I on the Habs forum by mistake?

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

Jake Gardiner. Let's make a deal

Considering how you got a non-rental Muzzin (a true top-3 with excellent stats & excellent play) for a likely very late 1st + 2 average prospects, I'll offer you a 2nd + 4th + Brett Lernout for an overrated, mistake-filled Gardiner. Deal?

 

[viceroy]

Why not improve our forwards and continue to look for that ever elusive no1 LHD.

Because we'd then have less assets to obtain that aforementioned elusive #1 LD?

Jake Gardiner. Let's make a deal

Completely uninterested in a rental but I'd give you Hudon for him.

 

[Nickmo82]

We're on page 2. Has a Rangers fan responded yet or am I on the Habs forum by mistake?

I'd sooner not trade him. Issues aside it still seems like he hasn't hit his development ceiling yet.

Obviously if the right offer is on the table, sure. However, that won't happen. At least not on HFBoards, anyway.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

I'd sooner not trade him. Issues aside it still seems like he hasn't hit his development ceiling yet.

Obviously if the right offer is on the table, sure. However, that won't happen. At least not on HFBoards, anyway.

This IS a "Value Of:" thread, what would be the right offer? What would you expect from MTL?

 

[Hockey Stick]

Buch is a new name, it's a nice change!
Honestly, I really hope they dont make any trades and just ride out what they've got. They aren't supposed to be where they are, according to pre season predictions, so they may as well just let the team lose without any unnecessary pressure that would come with a deadline acquisition

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Rangers won’t move him

Not so sure about that.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I don't think 1 forward will fix the PP. They need to fix it from within.

Does shattenkirk help you guys at all?

 

[SML2]

Rangers won’t move him

They should. He's a bozo.

 

[sansabri]

Does shattenkirk help you guys at all?

We're good at RD.

 

[wafflepadsave]

We're good at RD.

Yeah, we don’t have any left defenseman with power play skills that you need. Saw where Montreal has interest in Zuccarello who’s a great setup guy but not a prolific scorer.

 

[Shootertooter]

Yeah, we don’t have any left defenseman with power play skills that you need. Saw where Montreal has interest in Zuccarello who’s a great setup guy but not a prolific scorer.

The guy has averaged 55+pts since 2014, is that not prolific enough?

 

[bernmeister]

What would be the cost to MTL at the TDL???
I see him as a potential fix to our PP and 2nd line (RW with Domia and Tatar). And his age fits our core perfectly. Same age as Drouin/Domi.

I don't know, a 2nd and some other ****.

We need a top-4 LHD.

Trading significant assets to get Buch when we aren't a contender makes zero sense. We are deep in forwards.

I would take him for a 2nd and something else. He's a luxury, not a need. I would love to have him on the team but we need LDs.

We need a right handed shooting forward.

Rangers have no reason to move him.
Montreal has no reason to pursue him.

So I'm left asking why ?

Buch is a good player but I don't think he can fix our horrendous powerplay.

A right handed shooting dynamo, or another player who can screen the goalie would be better avenues to pursue.

We're good at RD.

The market sets the price
that is not clear just yet, but if he were on the market I kind of agree with @Machinehead as to the 2nd +, but I think due to the competition it gets pushed up a notch to a strong +, or anything which is equivalent of that.

Another way to minimize currency used is the backscratch.
We have LD prospects, and we want to move Smith, who once --- ONCE, I know --- played well enuf in POs to get his current deal, 2 seasons past this, 4.35 per for horrible to inconsistently acceptably good play, with only toughness his dependable asset. Shoots left but plays right. Could be a 7D

We also need to deplete excess F depth, this would allow coach Quinn to mold a smaller core who would be overworked from lack of depth which helps our tank. Translation: Strome, a former 5OA talent who mostly sucked w/Oil but has looked good for NYR, a righty shot, says 'hi'.

And Habs recognize need for a LD.

Rangers basically prefer futures, esp picks

So
Buch
Strome
Skjei
Pionk
Smith
current ballpark cap = roughly 13.5m

for
2019 1st unconditional
two 1sts during 2020 - 2025, also unconditional but Canadiens to decide which years
Petry [needed for cap balance, Alzner is unacceptable]
Juulsen [value discounted to cap dump due to current vision issues]
cap dumps Schlemko and McCarron
current ballpark cap = pushing 8m
cap dif = 5.5 ishm cap relief to Rangers from Habs current 9.35m cap space [per capfriendly] leaving Montreal with 4ish m cap space

elc Pionk for salaried Petry necessary to close $ gap in deal

otherwise
5 bodies for 4
NY gets
1 immediate pick and 2 over next 4 years
a maybe on Juulsen
productive RD in Petry
lose Smith
add cap relief

Montreal gets
Skjei long term good $ - unclear his upside, no ? he can skate
talented righty F in Strome
talented W either side in Buch
young cheap RD in Pionk
unloads 2 pieces not gonna make varsity
takes on 1 excess contract but still = bottom pair/7th D

I think this deal would give Montreal a shot vs the big guys, Leafs, TB, SJS; with hope Price steals a few you have a chance

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The market sets the price
that is not clear just yet, but if he were on the market I kind of agree with @Machinehead as to the 2nd +, but I think due to the competition it gets pushed up a notch to a strong +, or anything which is equivalent of that.

Another way to minimize currency used is the backscratch.
We have LD prospects, and we want to move Smith, who once --- ONCE, I know --- played well enuf in POs to get his current deal, 2 seasons past this, 4.35 per for horrible to inconsistently acceptably good play, with only toughness his dependable asset. Shoots left but plays right. Could be a 7D

We also need to deplete excess F depth, this would allow coach Quinn to mold a smaller core who would be overworked from lack of depth which helps our tank. Translation: Strome, a former 5OA talent who mostly sucked w/Oil but has looked good for NYR, a righty shot, says 'hi'.

And Habs recognize need for a LD.

Rangers basically prefer futures, esp picks

So
Buch
Strome
Skjei
Pionk
Smith
current ballpark cap = roughly 13.5m

for
2019 1st unconditional
two 1sts during 2020 - 2025, also unconditional but Canadiens to decide which years
Petry [needed for cap balance, Alzner is unacceptable]
Juulsen [value discounted to cap dump due to current vision issues]
cap dumps Schlemko and McCarron
current ballpark cap = pushing 8m
cap dif = 5.5 ishm cap relief to Rangers from Habs current 9.35m cap space [per capfriendly] leaving Montreal with 4ish m cap space

elc Pionk for salaried Petry necessary to close $ gap in deal

otherwise
5 bodies for 4
NY gets
1 immediate pick and 2 over next 4 years
a maybe on Juulsen
productive RD in Petry
lose Smith
add cap relief

Montreal gets
Skjei long term good $ - unclear his upside, no ? he can skate
talented righty F in Strome
talented W either side in Buch
young cheap RD in Pionk
unloads 2 pieces not gonna make varsity
takes on 1 excess contract but still = bottom pair/7th D

I think this deal would give Montreal a shot vs the big guys, Leafs, TB, SJS; with hope Price steals a few you have a chance

LOL. Just absurd. No to all if it. Totally implausible.

 

[sansabri]

^ tl;dr, no.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Jesus Christ, Bernie...

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Bernie basically traded the Rangers roster for the Habs roster + draft picks.

 

[Nickmo82]

The ever so common 2 club, 9 player, 3 1st round pick trade.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

You've been bern'd Habs fans.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You've been bern'd Habs fans.

lol i love Bernie!! He is my friend.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

The market sets the price
that is not clear just yet, but if he were on the market I kind of agree with @Machinehead as to the 2nd +, but I think due to the competition it gets pushed up a notch to a strong +, or anything which is equivalent of that.

Another way to minimize currency used is the backscratch.
We have LD prospects, and we want to move Smith, who once --- ONCE, I know --- played well enuf in POs to get his current deal, 2 seasons past this, 4.35 per for horrible to inconsistently acceptably good play, with only toughness his dependable asset. Shoots left but plays right. Could be a 7D

We also need to deplete excess F depth, this would allow coach Quinn to mold a smaller core who would be overworked from lack of depth which helps our tank. Translation: Strome, a former 5OA talent who mostly sucked w/Oil but has looked good for NYR, a righty shot, says 'hi'.

And Habs recognize need for a LD.

Rangers basically prefer futures, esp picks

So
Buch
Strome
Skjei
Pionk
Smith
current ballpark cap = roughly 13.5m

for
2019 1st unconditional
two 1sts during 2020 - 2025, also unconditional but Canadiens to decide which years
Petry [needed for cap balance, Alzner is unacceptable]
Juulsen [value discounted to cap dump due to current vision issues]
cap dumps Schlemko and McCarron
current ballpark cap = pushing 8m
cap dif = 5.5 ishm cap relief to Rangers from Habs current 9.35m cap space [per capfriendly] leaving Montreal with 4ish m cap space

elc Pionk for salaried Petry necessary to close $ gap in deal

otherwise
5 bodies for 4
NY gets
1 immediate pick and 2 over next 4 years
a maybe on Juulsen
productive RD in Petry
lose Smith
add cap relief

Montreal gets
Skjei long term good $ - unclear his upside, no ? he can skate
talented righty F in Strome
talented W either side in Buch
young cheap RD in Pionk
unloads 2 pieces not gonna make varsity
takes on 1 excess contract but still = bottom pair/7th D

I think this deal would give Montreal a shot vs the big guys, Leafs, TB, SJS; with hope Price steals a few you have a chance

Petry > Skjei and Pionk
Value wise I think Juulsen is close to Buch
Strome has little to no value
Smith has negative value

On top of that you have Habs giving up 3 1sts. Absolute garbage proposal.

 

[EdJovanovski]

They should. He's a bozo.

He has very high hockey IQ, sorta the opposite of a bozo