Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals V

[easton117]

I think he is as every bit as good as Seguin and Tavares. When the reputations from Bergeron and Kopitar fade, Barkov should be raining in Selke trophies.

Ya, from the times I’ve seen Kopitar play this year I’d put Barkov ahead of him now.

Actually without seeing any of you guys play I’d bet the field here at least one of you is better than Kopitar now.

If Barkov played in a city anyone gave a shit about he’d be ranked a lot higher across the league. Top 15-20 for sure, maybe higher.

Still wouldn’t trade McAvoy for him though. Maybe down the line a bit, but I’d like to see him (McAvoy) play a few more years first.

 

[DKH]

Your numbers are wrong. I looked at Heinen's 17-18 numbers a day or two ago and he had a stretch of 24 points in 25 games before his barren spell began, which has now lasted for 56 games (I think) including the playoffs.

My guess is he plays responsible hockey all year and puts up 35-40 points. Nothing to get upset about.

Billy Lindsay nailed what happens. Heinen is playing ‘not instinctively’

He’s worried on the ice but has been better the past 8 games

 

[ON3M4N]

Dude, Barkov is a great player. If we watched him week-in week-out in Boston we'd be in love. I'd take him over Seguin, Kopitar and Tavares, and he's miles ahead of some of the guys in your second list.

But yeah, we're not trading McAvoy

1. Please don't call me dude

2. I never said he wasn't a good player, but he's not a top 10 center right now in the NHL. Could he be one day? sure. As of today, right now, in this very moment though he isn't a top 10 center.

 

[Dizzay]

Your numbers are wrong. I looked at Heinen's 17-18 numbers a day or two ago and he had a stretch of 24 points in 25 games before his barren spell began, which has now lasted for 56 games (I think) including the playoffs.

My guess is he plays responsible hockey all year and puts up 35-40 points. Nothing to get upset about.

Hahaha I dont believe my numbers are wrong.
So he's going to put up 30-35 points in the next 62 games? Produce at 0.5 ppg? That's a quite lofty goal for him. A guy who has shown nothing over the last 47 games.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

Billy Lindsay nailed what happens. Heinen is playing ‘not instinctively’

He’s worried on the ice but has been better the past 8 games

It's all part of the learning curve. Not every young player can be David Pastrnak.

1. Please don't call me dude

2. I never said he wasn't a good player, but he's not a top 10 center right now in the NHL. Could he be one day? sure. As of today, right now, in this very moment though he isn't a top 10 center.

What are you basing this on?

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

Hahaha I dont believe my numbers are wrong.
So he's going to put up 30-35 points in the next 62 games? Produce at 0.5 ppg? That's a quite lofty goal for him. A guy who has shown nothing over the last 47 games.

Apologies - your numbers aren't wrong. You just decided to omit the fact that Heinen showed that he's capable of scoring at very close to a point-per-game pace over a 25 game stretch.

It's cherry-picking that renders your argument invalid.

And yeah, of course he can product at 0.5 ppg. The concept of form is not a new one, especially in relation to young players finding their way in the NHL. Even when it applies to a 50 game stretch.

 

[Fatmancryin]

Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta, Debrusk =40 Goals

Rest of the forwards = 11 Goals Nordstrom and a Krejci account for 5 of those.

Team needs a goal scorer ASAP, meanwhile Don Sweeney is still evaluating.

This is my frustration with the Bruins management, they know they need help whether it’s the offseason or during the season but cant seem to pull the trigger on anything that would make them better.

 

[BruinDust]

I think you are missing the obvious answer here..

backes = huge cap hit/no real money

other team has guy costing more money... less cap hit

there are many many many players out there making more than 2.5 mill salary that a team is going to feel very ok trading for backes.

just to toss out one example... vegas will owe cody eakins 3.8 million dollars for 1 season... or they could have david backes for 5 million dollars for 2 years. would it honestly hurt them very much to switch from eakins to backes for next year? and then they get the bonus of having backes and his leadership the following year for what amounts to 1.2 million real dollars out of pocket

if theres a slight add they could easily feel its a move that helps them {specially if they think backes is playing hurt and might bounce back like I feel}

in the meantime we shed 2.2 mill cap hit in year 1... 6 mill in year 2... and we end up with a fairly useful bottom 6 guy to help us with our playoffs aspirations.

there are definitely teams that have unused cap room... some of these teams are in the rebuild mold. some are teams that probably would look favorably to save a million dollars or more on salary for a 3rd/4th liner

I"m not missing anything here. I get his actual dollars paid out is less than his cap hit. 8 million over two years vs. 12 million in cap space. It's even less if he's dealt after the 3 million signing bonus is paid out by Boston, leaving the acquiring team with just 5 million is real money. That's still a business spending 5 million of real money with minimal return.

Using your example, would it hurt Vegas to go with Backes over Eakin? Your darn right it would hurt them. Have you even seen Cody Eakin play? He's a solid two-way center and twice the player David Backes is at this stage, which says a lot more about the capabilities of David Backes in 2018-19 than it does Cody Eakin. That's the main issue with moving this deal. David Backes is barely an NHL player at this point from what he's shown this season. And I've always like Backes and wanted him to find a place here but even I can see the obvious here in that he's essentially a 4th line player with a massive cap hit.

 

[Dizzay]

Apologies - your numbers aren't wrong. You just decided to omit the fact that Heinen showed that he's capable of scoring at very close to a point-per-game pace over a 25 game stretch.

It's cherry-picking that renders your argument invalid.

And yeah, of course he can product at 0.5 ppg. The concept of form is not a new one, especially in relation to young players finding their way in the NHL. Even when it applies to a 50 game stretch.

I'm not cherry picking, I'm just showing a reasonable time period where the guy has went from semi productive to absolutely abysmal.
He gets a free pass around here and I don't understand why? Because off his off the charts hockey IQ?
He's done absolutely nothing to deserve regular 2nd/3rd line roles on this team in the past 50 some games. I'm not saying throw the towel in on him but send him down, give someone else a shot.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Take it to the Heinen thread please.

 

[ON3M4N]

What are you basing this on?

Just my opinion of players I'd rather have over Barkov lol. Like I said in my original post, I didn't dive into stats or anything, I just took names off the top of my head. I bet if you run Barkov vs the rest of the NHL centers since he had a breakout year in 2015 he's not top 10 in production. Is production the end all be all? no, but it's a pretty good piece of the pie.

 

[smack66]

I"m not missing anything here. I get his actual dollars paid out is less than his cap hit. 8 million over two years vs. 12 million in cap space. It's even less if he's dealt after the 3 million signing bonus is paid out by Boston, leaving the acquiring team with just 5 million is real money. That's still a business spending 5 million of real money with minimal return.

Using your example, would it hurt Vegas to go with Backes over Eakin? Your darn right it would hurt them. Have you even seen Cody Eakin play? He's a solid two-way center and twice the player David Backes is at this stage, which says a lot more about the capabilities of David Backes in 2018-19 than it does Cody Eakin. That's the main issue with moving this deal. David Backes is barely an NHL player at this point from what he's shown this season. And I've always like Backes and wanted him to find a place here but even I can see the obvious here in that he's essentially a 4th line player with a massive cap hit.

I'm wondering if Bruins retain 2M in salary and trade him after the bonus has been paid, will the host team only be on the books for 500k a year and gain 6M in cap? If, so I could see the Bruins making that trade to a team in need of cap push. Otherwise, I completely agree with you that at this time, I can't see a team paying 5M in real money for Backes unless a high grade prospect is included.

 

[Fatmancryin]

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

f*** this season, for real.

 

[Scruffy]

With Bergeron out a month plus, you'd have to think they need to make a deal for a top 6 center right?

 

[Fatmancryin]

With Bergeron out a month plus, you'd have to think they need to make a deal for a top 6 center right?

You would think, but you know how that goes.

Without a move and fast this team is going to have a very tough time putting the puck in the net more so then they already have.

 

[Oates2Neely]

What does the lineup look like now?

Will Studnika come up? Or does Nordstrom slot to center?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

With Bergeron out a month plus, you'd have to think they need to make a deal for a top 6 center right?

I would stay the course, see how it goes, and reassess when he returns.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Tyler Bozak from St. Louis would fill a void. Good at the dot. But that 5m cap hit is no buenõ

 

[Fatmancryin]

I would stay the course, see how it goes, and reassess when he returns.

Stay what course? Your #1 points leader on the team is gone for a month, they have to find that production and quick.

FYI it’s not coming from Providence.

 

[Mainehockey33]

With Bergeron out a month plus, you'd have to think they need to make a deal for a top 6 center right?

I think they could have used one before. Someone that can play center when needed or wing with Krejci when everyone is healthy. Duchene, RNH, and Nylander fit the bill. I don’t know how realistic it is to get them but that’s what the team is missing imo. Some have red flags but so did Evander Kane and you don’t here about him now that he went to a team with solid leadership.

 

[Dr Hook]

I think they could have used one before. Someone that can play center when needed or wing with Krejci when everyone is healthy. Duchene, RNH, and Nylander fit the bill. I don’t know how realistic it is to get them but that’s what the team is missing imo. Some have red flags but so did Evander Kane and you don’t here about him now that he went to a team with solid leadership.

I still would like the B's to look at what it would take to get Kevin Hayes from the Rags. Leaving all the Hayes baggage at the door, he is rumored to be available, is a great 3c and can play up and there isn't a lot out there that is available in terms of quality C or, if available, that come with a palatable price tag.

 

[ODAAT]

Stay what course? Your #1 points leader on the team is gone for a month, they have to find that production and quick.

FYI it’s not coming from Providence.

so, you want a top 6 C-man who can step in, produce pts, hey neat, me too. Ok then, suggest to us whom that might be or what that might look like, which teams out there are willing to part with such a player, for less than a King`s ransom and then ask yourself "is it worth it"?

Bergeron is a huge loss, no doubt but IMO, you can`t just race out and make a deal, thinking the B`s would not be in a position of strength in doing so and at this time, they are sitting in the playoff picture (yes 8th spot) with other healthy D-men coming back which, IMO, will improve their possession stats and help in the transition game

 

[PlayMakers]

I don't think the Bruins should panic and get another top line center but it's definitely time to go get that 3c you were hoping could wait until the deadline to acquire.

 

[bp13]

With Bergeron out a month plus, you'd have to think they need to make a deal for a top 6 center right?

No.

Now that he’s out, along with McAvoy and Chara, I’d sit tight. It may be a lost season. Seems they were comfortable being bridesmaid anyway so no need to panic when you clearly have no market leverage.