Value of: Bruins Off Season Thread
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No, they are going to do what they did when they retooled from 2014-2016. They are going to sell off non-core pieces for picks (like they did with Lucic and Hamilton) and build around Pasta, McAvoy, Lindholm, Carlo and Swayman and look to get back in the mix in a couple of seasons.
No way they are tearing it down. They'll just try and find some cheap depth and move on or two pieces to fill holes.
I don't see why they wouldn't be a very good team next year and make another cup run. They probably won't be cup favorites again but there are a lot of good players on this team. I don't think there should be any kind of sell off.
A lot of next year for the probably depends on what Bergeron and Krejci decide. To go from that to anything else they could realistically come up with will be a downgrade even if they do pull off something like Dubois. Id predict playoffs but not a legitimate Cup threat
If Bergeron and Krejci are done they're done.
They don't have any good Centers at that point and have some crazy high bonus carryover for next year.
It would actually be a good year to start a retool. Sell off one of the goalies, a couple of other non core pieces, grab some draft capital and tank the season. Pick high and grab a guy who will likely be ready to make an impact by 2025.
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Last time they had a cup-winning core and one of the all time greatest players in Bergeron. Now they have just a bunch of good players, so it will be slightly different... I'm not saying they can't retool and be a playoff team, but I'm merely pointing out that their cup chances and playoff experience slip further and further away.
I mean Pasta and McAvoy were far far more important than Bergeron to the current iteration of the team that won 65 games. Pasta was only one point behind McDavid in 5 on 5 points. Bergeron was one point behind Kevin Hayes. Bergeron is still elite defensively and has a nice shot off the bumper on the PP, but his offensive impact at 5 on 5 is closer to a third liner now (heck, he was outscored at 5 on 5 by 3rd line center Charlie Coyle this last season).
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Winning needs both offence and defence, and I doubt one can correctly assume Bergeron's ans Krejci's impact on and off the ice purely from their point production. And, as we have seen, 65 regular season wins mean nothing come playoff time. Right now it seems that Boston will be rich man's Minnesota with one superstar winger (with nothing proved in terms of individual awards or Stanley cups), medicore centers and a solid defence.
Yes that’s exactly what they will be. And they will be an attractive landing spot for the next centers that become available. The alternative is to blow it up and not have any of those things which makes no sense at all unless you want to SIM five years.
RiverbottomChuck
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I think the best move is to unload some non core players like Hall, Ullmark, Debrusk (unfortunately), Gryz for picks and cap space and even take calls on Lindholm for a center of equal value. Let some of the new guys come up and give it a shot and hopefully they can get some cap space cushion to go after any big name centers that come up in the next few years in ufa. One thing is certain though, it seems they expected Bergy and DK to live forever because the B’s haven’t developed a single top 6 center from the draft since Seguin.
TSBruins13
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Need to find a #1C regardless of Bergeron returning or not. He can't be expected to play another season as a #1C and the team would be smart to manage his workload from the get-go.
I'd move anyone not named Pasta, McAvoy and Marchand for a #1C.
Also, time to see if some of our prospects have what it takes. Lysell, Lohrei, Merkulov, Beecher - bring them up or send them packing.
I'd move anyone not named Pasta, McAvoy and Marchand for a #1C.
Also, time to see if some of our prospects have what it takes. Lysell, Lohrei, Merkulov, Beecher - bring them up or send them packing.
You should not be moving Swayman need to move Ullmark , my reason is Sway is younger and cheaper . Sorry cold hard facts this team is in need of cap space Sway is getting a raise and Ullmark value will never be higher.....
This is a repost from the Bruins board:
A true Cup contender usually has the following pieces:
A high end #1C
A very good #2C
A high end #1D
A high end #2D
A high end winger
Another good first line winger
A top tier goalie
Some scoring depth sprinkled into the bottom six
Top special teams
Right now you can say that the Bruins have all the boxes checked except for the high end C, and that really is the case whether Bergeron is back or not. While Bergeron has maintained his elite defensive status, he is a guy getting outscored by Kevin Hayes and Charlie Coyle at 5 on 5 play. He isn’t what he was.
Tearing it down and starting over would be dumb. They are so close.
But getting a high end #1C without bottoming out is very very hard.
Tough spot.
I think what is likely to happen is that over the next 24 months we see them add a Horvat/PLD/etc quality C and put themselves in that low end contender that could pull it off if everything goes right area. That area where they are going to be good enough to get a round or two of playoff revenue in on a consistent basis and good enough for us to all convince ourselves it could happen, but where it probably won’t.
Which is probably better than blowing it all up and sucking for 5-10 years and maybe having a failed rebuild and having it drag on longer.
But also feels all too familiar to what the Bruins have been the last 50 years outside of the dark times of the late 90s and the few “go for it” years in the Bergeron era.
A true Cup contender usually has the following pieces:
A high end #1C
A very good #2C
A high end #1D
A high end #2D
A high end winger
Another good first line winger
A top tier goalie
Some scoring depth sprinkled into the bottom six
Top special teams
Right now you can say that the Bruins have all the boxes checked except for the high end C, and that really is the case whether Bergeron is back or not. While Bergeron has maintained his elite defensive status, he is a guy getting outscored by Kevin Hayes and Charlie Coyle at 5 on 5 play. He isn’t what he was.
Tearing it down and starting over would be dumb. They are so close.
But getting a high end #1C without bottoming out is very very hard.
Tough spot.
I think what is likely to happen is that over the next 24 months we see them add a Horvat/PLD/etc quality C and put themselves in that low end contender that could pull it off if everything goes right area. That area where they are going to be good enough to get a round or two of playoff revenue in on a consistent basis and good enough for us to all convince ourselves it could happen, but where it probably won’t.
Which is probably better than blowing it all up and sucking for 5-10 years and maybe having a failed rebuild and having it drag on longer.
But also feels all too familiar to what the Bruins have been the last 50 years outside of the dark times of the late 90s and the few “go for it” years in the Bergeron era.
Sheppy
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I've learned may lessons. As a Bruins fan, predicting their demise has been one of them.
They're not going to be out of the mix or "done"
Oh I think them taking a step back for a season and then coming back strong when the cap works out is on the table. Taking a step back in the way they did around 2015 where they were a contender for the playoffs but not more than that…and then when the cap is sorted making a move for a mediocre number 1C.
The don godfather
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Start with getting monty out and replace him with sutter. Then go from there.
Sheppy
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They'll take a step back for sure, however, I don't think they'll be "done"
The logic…
So.. Draisaitl will be 28 soon, and McDavid 27 during next season. If they dont win it now and here maybe its time to sell them out and rebuild since they will be like 30 soon.
Pasta is top10 player in the game in his pirme. They have solid and youngish defence, good enough goalkeeping and good enough depth scoring. They just won 65 games in regular season. And so now they have a hole, so just blow it up? Instead of trying to fill it?
None of the teams left in the playoffs has Bergeron or Krejci, and most of those teams have ending contracts and cap crunches. Maybe they should all just rebuild.
So.. Draisaitl will be 28 soon, and McDavid 27 during next season. If they dont win it now and here maybe its time to sell them out and rebuild since they will be like 30 soon.
Pasta is top10 player in the game in his pirme. They have solid and youngish defence, good enough goalkeeping and good enough depth scoring. They just won 65 games in regular season. And so now they have a hole, so just blow it up? Instead of trying to fill it?
None of the teams left in the playoffs has Bergeron or Krejci, and most of those teams have ending contracts and cap crunches. Maybe they should all just rebuild.
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Yea, not following that logic.
Retool. Maybe next year could be a low due to cap constraints, but you build around Pasta and McAvoy.
Besides, Pasta has a NMC for the life of his deal. McAvoy doesn't for next year, but then for the rest of his deal he does.
Wouldn't make sense to move one and not the other, unless some team drastically over pays for McAvoy.
Retool. Maybe next year could be a low due to cap constraints, but you build around Pasta and McAvoy.
Besides, Pasta has a NMC for the life of his deal. McAvoy doesn't for next year, but then for the rest of his deal he does.
Wouldn't make sense to move one and not the other, unless some team drastically over pays for McAvoy.
