smithformeragent
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I am convinced the Bruins are content to see what the kids bring in 2017-18 and then a year from now attack free agency harder as they will have more cash to spend.
What gave you that impression?
Proposal: Bruins Off-Season Talk
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What gave you that impression?
It's always a nice day when Habs lose talent for nothing.
IN
Drouin
Alzner
Schlemko
Hemsky
3rd
OUT
Radulov
Sergachev
Beaulieu
Emelin
2nd
5th
Markov(?)
+ a 84M/8y deal to Price
Keep it up Bergevin!
They also added Morrow too. I hate that! But yeah, they've done some weird **** to that lineup since last summers trade of P.K. Subban. I'm surprised that they haven't hung Bergevin in effigy by now.
Sweeet!
How about the Kessel deal? Chiarelli didn't want to pay what he thought that he was worth but Brian Burke and Toronto did...
I agree with you on Vanek. Just my .02 cents.... I see him as an uninspired, uninspiring presence. Yes, he is a Bruins killer but unless he goes to Montreal where they hate uninspired, un-French players I'm not worried. I have no idea what he's looking for but if it's more than $1.5 mil a season (which I'm sure it is) I would pass in a hurry and not look back on him.
Hell, that's good enough for me!
In Dom We Trust! If Dom says it's a good source then I trust it. Dom doesn't screw around with b.s. The rumor may come to nothing or some form of a trade for the names mentioned may come to fruition, time will tell.
Greek_physique
Caron - Legit SNIPER
Seems like Arizona is trying to make some sort of a push to finally be relevant in the Western Conference again.
They have enough youth to unload pieces, just weird they'd consider Spooner in that boat...specifically for Dvorak.
But then again, they unloaded a top 7 pick for Stefan and Raanta...so who knows.
They have enough youth to unload pieces, just weird they'd consider Spooner in that boat...specifically for Dvorak.
But then again, they unloaded a top 7 pick for Stefan and Raanta...so who knows.
Yup.
Too good to last. I'd be shocked if 85% or more of that list is still UFA by June 30, 2018
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
not only do most teams carry 23 contracts... but often more than 23 contracts. for example couple guys banged up... commonly happens.. dont go on ltir.. most guys dont
then you need to call a guy up
or your backup goalie has the flu... you call a guy up
the cap is a very tricky thing to nickle and dime but we know a few basic truths. teams never want to spend every last penny so fans need to leave wiggle room when making calculations
bonuses can push you over the limit and kill you next season, so keep them in mind
other numbers besides the salary can go into cap... for example when dallas sent a private plane to fly bill guerin to dallas, that was part of the cap
when i listen to doug mclean he has said some weird stuff ends up in the cap
im with you as far as not caring which elc is included in the tally... but the difference between them is less than 200k on average.
you might want khubodin off the team to save 400k, but then make schaller gets a million instead of 800k.
i laid out the 10-12 contracts we know are expensive and whether you include pastrnak or spooner or dont... these eat up all the money
everyone else needs to be averaged out to around 900k. if you can get it down to 800k you create around a million but you need to factor in bonus money
in my math i have pastrnak at 6... people think im too low. if im wrong it only makes my point stronger
i have spooner at 3... you want him gone... ok theres 3 mill you created. but if im low on pastrnak he will take some of that 3.
going with a roster of 21 contracts all year isnt remotely realistic... nor is finding 4 mill to add a forward other than pastrnak unless you lose MORE than just spooner
Well that is a hodgepodge of names. Obviously Tavares and Carlson stand out. A whole lot of guys on that list are old and I wouldn't touch. A few players I like at lesser salaries, but who someone will overpay
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
agreed.. your roster is 22 players so realistically deduct 900k from your available space.
we might not carry 8 dmen... but a 14th forward would make the same so no savings there. same if jfk doesnt make team and some other kid does.
we are looking at a little over a mill capspace once pastnak/spooner are signed... if we get rid of spooner/mcquaid/belesky that equals around 9 mill but we need 3 guys to replace.
thats the ONLY realistic way of adding a contract like duchense (unless krejci waives or we get rid of pastrnak or krug)
its a huge thing to free up enough cap space to make a move but it all comes back to our cap is spent. the only way to spend more is get rid of guys we already have
DominicT
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Honestly, I only saw it because you quoted it. But the 2nd one seems like he thinks pretty "highly" of me.
I'm about to run upstairs from my mom's basement in tears and ask her for a hug.
Montecristo
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Of course there's a point. We shouldn't be discussing tweets from nobodys who have no credibility. Waste of time
ODAAT
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agreed, but before I exclaim someone posting on Twitter is a nobody, I try to find out from those here who are connected if that poster is just a windbag like a Commodore or if he/she is someone who is legit.
Dom mentioned in this thread he vouches for that Twitter poster, that`s good enough for me
Montecristo
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If I put that tweet in the "rumors" sub category on the trade board, the thread would be locked. That's all I'm saying.
ODAAT
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perhaps, but do you have the large circle of connections that Dom does where he`s most likely far more in tune with who is, in fact a legitimate and trusted source rather than some kid in his mum`s basement?
See the difference? I would suggest the thread would be shut down if I had posted that too, most likely because Mods are well aware that my connection to the NHL starts and ends at my keyboard, Dom is someone who we all know spends countless hours in rinks and has a Rolodex most likely filled with contacts you and I don`t have access to
Montecristo
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I'm not saying I'm an insider. I'm saying that I doubt some random kid is and if I had or you had or anyone had posted that persons tweet as a "rumor" on the trade board, the mods would find it to be not credible and shut it down. So I will treat that tweet with the same level of believability as the general public should. What I'm saying is, how does this kid have some information that none of the major hockey insiders have? How has ryan rishaug or Elliotte Friedman or bob McKenzie or Darren dreger not tweeted about these talkings? Does this kid have a connection that they don't? Do you see my skepticism?
LouJersey
Registered User
You'd be surprised. I had a friend for awhile that I would see every so often that went to Providence with Lou Lams and was a Bruins fan and still part of his crew. He called the Chara and Bergeron extensions, the Kovalchuk trade to NJ and the Kessel trade long before they happened with details that were right on. I now know someone that plays hockey with a very very famous NHL media member and insider, but he rarely gives any info. It's all about who you know. You don't have to be on TSN to be legit.
ODAAT
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and your not reading or understanding what I posted. I too, would be skeptical about a post from someone I`ve never heard of HOWEVER, before I make a judgement as to him being a "kid" or just a random fan of the game throwing stuff at a wall and hope something sticks, I try to figure out who they are.
When Dom gave his endorsement, that was enough for me. I trust Dom, not because he`s always right, but because when he isn`t, he`s the first to come on and admit so and there is his undeniable access to those in and around the game that neither of us have.
You can be skeptical all you wish, I am as well often however, when someone with the connections that Dom has posts this poster is legit, why continue to be skeptical? And sorry, while I enjoy the insider stuff of the Mackenzie`s/Dreger`s and Friedman`s of the world too, and as connected as they are, it`s not like they are always the first to break a story or first to report a rumor that might be swirling around
EverettMike
FIRE DON SWEENEY INTO THE SUN
For ****s sake.
Dom is telling you HE HEARD THE EXACT SAME NEWS BEFORE THAT ****ING TWEET.
ODAAT
Registered User
So as far as I'm concerned, every team in our division has done something to get better this off season. Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo, TB and Florida. Whether it be a major move or minor tweaks, their teams are better, thus far, moving into the 17-18 season. So far we've lost:
Colin Miller, Joe Morrow, JM Liles, Jimmy Hayes, Drew Stafford, and Dominic Moore.
We've added:
Paul Postma, Kenny Agostino, and Jordan Swarz. Oh and resigned Dr. Cross.
So we basically go into training camp with the following assuming we agree to the arbitration number for Spooner:
Marshy-Bergy-Backes
XXXXX-Krejci-Pasta
Belesky-Spooner-Vatrano
Kuraly-Nash-XXXXX
xxxxx(13th forward)
Chara-Carlo
Miller-MacAvoy
Krug-McQuaid
Postma
Rask
Dobby
That leaves us with 3 open spots, one in the top 6 that we need to fill within the organization.
Celharik- like the possibility of chemistry with Krejci, think expecting him to produce like a top 6 is out of the question.
Debrusk- like the kid, has a nose for the net, hard worker, think he should start on a line with Nash and Kuraly, if he beats out Schaller.
Heinan- My pick to be the prospect who produces the most in 17-18. SAtill think he's better suited for a 3rd line role, not top 6 yet.
JFK- not a huge fan yet, I think he needs a full year in Providence.
Bjork- If they move Vatrano, I'd like him on the 3rd line but no higher. Guy needs some seasoning in the AHL.
Senyshyn- needs a year in Providence, although I think he is going to be a 25 goal scorer by 2019-20.
Schaller- Hard worker, do not want to see him anywhere near the top 6 again, that's pathetic. At most, 4th line winger, but preferably 13th forward.
Lauzon- Raw, needs a year/two to develope and get comfortable with the system.
Zboril- Same as Lauzon.
For those saying be patient and give the kids a shot, I think you're nuts expecting this team to make the playoffs, let alone being a contender going that route. The team above, left alone, is not making the playoffs. Chara is a year older, we don't know how Carlo will play year 2, MacAvoy is being leaned on to be a top 4 in his rookie season, Dobby proved he's not a capable back up for 85% of the year. Donny better get his butt in gear and do something to make this team better.
Colin Miller, Joe Morrow, JM Liles, Jimmy Hayes, Drew Stafford, and Dominic Moore.
We've added:
Paul Postma, Kenny Agostino, and Jordan Swarz. Oh and resigned Dr. Cross.
So we basically go into training camp with the following assuming we agree to the arbitration number for Spooner:
Marshy-Bergy-Backes
XXXXX-Krejci-Pasta
Belesky-Spooner-Vatrano
Kuraly-Nash-XXXXX
xxxxx(13th forward)
Chara-Carlo
Miller-MacAvoy
Krug-McQuaid
Postma
Rask
Dobby
That leaves us with 3 open spots, one in the top 6 that we need to fill within the organization.
Celharik- like the possibility of chemistry with Krejci, think expecting him to produce like a top 6 is out of the question.
Debrusk- like the kid, has a nose for the net, hard worker, think he should start on a line with Nash and Kuraly, if he beats out Schaller.
Heinan- My pick to be the prospect who produces the most in 17-18. SAtill think he's better suited for a 3rd line role, not top 6 yet.
JFK- not a huge fan yet, I think he needs a full year in Providence.
Bjork- If they move Vatrano, I'd like him on the 3rd line but no higher. Guy needs some seasoning in the AHL.
Senyshyn- needs a year in Providence, although I think he is going to be a 25 goal scorer by 2019-20.
Schaller- Hard worker, do not want to see him anywhere near the top 6 again, that's pathetic. At most, 4th line winger, but preferably 13th forward.
Lauzon- Raw, needs a year/two to develope and get comfortable with the system.
Zboril- Same as Lauzon.
For those saying be patient and give the kids a shot, I think you're nuts expecting this team to make the playoffs, let alone being a contender going that route. The team above, left alone, is not making the playoffs. Chara is a year older, we don't know how Carlo will play year 2, MacAvoy is being leaned on to be a top 4 in his rookie season, Dobby proved he's not a capable back up for 85% of the year. Donny better get his butt in gear and do something to make this team better.
and your not reading or understanding what I posted. I too, would be skeptical about a post from someone I`ve never heard of HOWEVER, before I make a judgement as to him being a "kid" or just a random fan of the game throwing stuff at a wall and hope something sticks, I try to figure out who they are.
When Dom gave his endorsement, that was enough for me. I trust Dom, not because he`s always right, but because when he isn`t, he`s the first to come on and admit so and there is his undeniable access to those in and around the game that neither of us have.
You can be skeptical all you wish, I am as well often however, when someone with the connections that Dom has posts this poster is legit, why continue to be skeptical? And sorry, while I enjoy the insider stuff of the Mackenzie`s/Dreger`s and Friedman`s of the world too, and as connected as they are, it`s not like they are always the first to break a story or first to report a rumor that might be swirling around[/QUOTE]
I stopped listening a long time ago to insider rumors. There is one person that knows what is true and what is false and I can assure you he doesn't belong to HFBoards
I think you guys are being a little hard on the poster.
Youre missing the point.
This is the the point!
Furthermore, since Mods inquire, it is a second source.
One that I know.
Thats what freakin determines what stays and what goes. So monte if you have further issue write the site an email but this thread isnt for what can be posted and cant.
and your not reading or understanding what I posted. I too, would be skeptical about a post from someone I`ve never heard of HOWEVER, before I make a judgement as to him being a "kid" or just a random fan of the game throwing stuff at a wall and hope something sticks, I try to figure out who they are.
When Dom gave his endorsement, that was enough for me. I trust Dom, not because he`s always right, but because when he isn`t, he`s the first to come on and admit so and there is his undeniable access to those in and around the game that neither of us have.
You can be skeptical all you wish, I am as well often however, when someone with the connections that Dom has posts this poster is legit, why continue to be skeptical? And sorry, while I enjoy the insider stuff of the Mackenzie`s/Dreger`s and Friedman`s of the world too, and as connected as they are, it`s not like they are always the first to break a story or first to report a rumor that might be swirling around[/QUOTE]
I stopped listening a long time ago to insider rumors. There is one person that knows what is true and what is false and I can assure you he doesn't belong to HFBoards
I think you guys are being a little hard on the poster.
Agreed.
While it's fun to speculate on rumors and discuss possible trade targets, the info thats posted here by insiders hardly if ever pan out. So lets not get offended when someone says they are skeptical.
PlayMakers
Registered User
Gotta say, I get the feeling Sweeney is done.
If that's the case, how do you feel about his off-season? Are we better/worse/same than the team that lost to Ottawa?
IN: Paul Postma ~> OUT: Colin Miller = Upgrade/Downgrade?
IN: Kenny Agostino ~> OUT: Drew Stafford = Upgrade/Downgrade?
I think Sweeney and Cassidy are looking at the lineup like this...
Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
NKOTB - Krejci - Pastrnak
Beleskey - Kuraly - Nash
Agostino - Spooner - Vatrano
X: Acciari
Chara - Carlo
Krug - McQuaid
Killer - McAvoy
X: Postma
NKOTB = Cehlarik, DeBrusk, Heinen, Bjork.
If that's the case, how do you feel about his off-season? Are we better/worse/same than the team that lost to Ottawa?
IN: Paul Postma ~> OUT: Colin Miller = Upgrade/Downgrade?
IN: Kenny Agostino ~> OUT: Drew Stafford = Upgrade/Downgrade?
I think Sweeney and Cassidy are looking at the lineup like this...
Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
NKOTB - Krejci - Pastrnak
Beleskey - Kuraly - Nash
Agostino - Spooner - Vatrano
X: Acciari
Chara - Carlo
Krug - McQuaid
Killer - McAvoy
X: Postma
NKOTB = Cehlarik, DeBrusk, Heinen, Bjork.
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TwineTickler
TheUltimateBruin
I'm still holding out hope that there are some tweaks to the lineup up front. Move Spooner+ for a winger (Dvorak, w/ his versatility, speed and skill would be awesome) but if this is what we are looking at, I'd personally change it slightly. That "4th line" looks like it would potentially generate offense, but also be a huge liability defensively. Also, I just think we have to keep 63-37-88 together. They were the best line in hockey when together last year. I think you keep them together and figure out the rest. Krejci/Backes should develop more chemistry and then you give Krejci one of the NKOTB on the left side.
63-37-88
NKOTB-Krejci-Backes
Beleskey-Kuraly-Spooner
Agostino-Nash-Acciari
Obviously, might be a lot asking Spooner to play RW but I just don't think they play him at C, unless they just have Kuraly, or whatever other C is with him take his draws for him... which is possible. I feel like this is a little more balanced on the bottom 6 and we have a dynamite, best line in hockey and then a pretty solid 2nd line. I'd leave the D as you had them PM.
PP units:
PP1:
March-Bergeron-Pasta
Krug-Spooner
PP2:
NKOTB-Krejci-Backes
Agostino-McAvoy
- Krejci drops back to point after taking draw. Something like that.
However, I really feel like a move SHOULD be coming for a top 6 winger considering what we have at the moment waiting to get a shot at the NHL level (Vatrano doesn't even crack my lineup... which shows we've got an abundance of options). I'd love to see JFK be able to step in and command that 3C spot which most likely leaves Spooner headed elsewhere. I'm excited to see what happens. While there haven't been that many moves PM, and I guess my long-winded round about way of answering your question haha, I do think they are in better shape. Reason being mainly, the kids getting one year better/stronger/experienced, the cupboard is full and that is going to lead to significant competition and the ability to go out and make a move to upgrade the NHL roster should they want to, without subtracting too too much. A full year of McAvoy just adds to the D hugely. We now have 3+ skating defenders (Krug, Mac, Carlo) and puck movers, and then 3 solid defensive D.... making for really even and balanced pairs. Excited to see what the rest of the summer has in store and what these boys can do come October. I'm ready!
patty59
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I'd say you're bang on here. Not sure that I agree with what they're doing but it sure seems like they've got the team set.
About the same, but better because of the makeup of our team.
Bergeron will be healthy. Marchand and Pastrnak are coming off of career years, Pasta will likely be better, and all three have chemistry. That's going to be the best line in the NHL again... Wouldn't be surprised if all three are PPG and we're certainly still going to lean on them again for a lot of games.
Looking for a strong season out of Krejci. Hopefully he stays healthy. Backes needs to give more on offense, too. If they don't add a top-6 wing then Krejci will be relied on again to anchor that line as it'll likely be a revolving door again. Really wanted that fixed, but what can you do.
Our bottom 6 is ok. I think Agostino was a terrific gamble. Looking for a big bounce back season from Beleskey... He'll have a week or two, and if he doesn't show anything, who knows where he'll be. There will be a lot of healthy competition between rookies there.
McAvoy won't play like he did in the Sens series all season long, but he'll most certainly be an asset and a favorite for ROTY. He adds a lot to our defense and very much improves it. Carlo is a year older, Krug is coming off a career season, and we have some depth there despite losing Morrow/Chiller. Our opening day defense is light years ahead of what it was last year, which bodes well for Rask who I think will have a big bounce backs season after being brutal for ~75% of last year.
I'm pretty confident. ~60/40 chance we make the playoffs, I think. The Atlantic division is pretty tight, but it's also pretty bad. No team there scares me besides Tampa. Will be a dogfight between Boston/Ottawa/Toronto/Montreal/maybe Buffalo all season long. I think we're better than all of those teams, tied with Toronto.
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