Proposal: Bruins Off-Season Talk

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I'm thinking more and more that taking a flyer on Thomas Vanek for one season seems like a good idea. I'd imagine he wouldn't cost a fortune, and might give you 20-25 skating with Krejci.

Still keep all our kids to fight for the bottom six, and I think our defense and goaltending is pretty good.

to me... vanek is a better option than spooner. thats basically the spot we are talking about.

but color me unimpressed and disappointed if this ends up being our move

 

[DKH]

to me... vanek is a better option than spooner. thats basically the spot we are talking about.

but color me unimpressed and disappointed if this ends up being our move

If it's not long term like Landeskog or a player from Arizona i will go with Vatrano DeBrusk Bjork Cehlarik Heinen JFK Czarnik for final 2-3 spots

Not a retread guy

Donny listen to me I'm channeling you - so far your plan off skilled mobile D is perfect

Go with the kids unless Landeskog

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

If it's not long term like Landeskog or a player from Arizona i will go with Vatrano DeBrusk Bjork Cehlarik Heinen JFK Czarnik for final 2-3 spots

Not a retread guy

Donny listen to me I'm channeling you - so far your plan off skilled mobile D is perfect

Go with the kids unless Landeskog

if we count guys like vatrano, accari, kuraly, and carlo as kids.. i see a minimum of 7 kids on the team next year... and thats even if we do get krejci a vetern helper for his line.

i dont think fans of kids will have anything to complain about this year unless they feel their favorite lost his spot to someone else

i know miller/morrow fans have already said they are upset but i am happy with carlo/mcavoy

up front i see the following 5 jobs all but guranteed going to a kid

one spot alongside krejci (contenders heinen, bjork, debrusk, vatrano)
two spots on 3rd line (contenders jfk, kuraly, cherlik, czarik, agostino, senshyn)
one spot on 4th line (going with accairi here along with nash/belesky)
and then a pressbox spot too.

some of these kids are in their mid 20s but none have played a full season other than carlo...

its almost too many kids when 1/3 of your lineup is kids

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

The Coyotes won't. It will take more than Spooner to pry Dvorak loose from Phoenix.

it hasn't been Phoenix in years.... Glendale or Arizona, FYI

 

[riverhawkey91]

if we count guys like vatrano, accari, kuraly, and carlo as kids.. i see a minimum of 7 kids on the team next year... and thats even if we do get krejci a vetern helper for his line.

i dont think fans of kids will have anything to complain about this year unless they feel their favorite lost his spot to someone else

i know miller/morrow fans have already said they are upset but i am happy with carlo/mcavoy

up front i see the following 5 jobs all but guranteed going to a kid

one spot alongside krejci (contenders heinen, bjork, debrusk, vatrano)
two spots on 3rd line (contenders jfk, kuraly, cherlik, czarik, agostino, senshyn)
one spot on 4th line (going with accairi here along with nash/belesky)
and then a pressbox spot too.

some of these kids are in their mid 20s but none have played a full season other than carlo...

its almost too many kids when 1/3 of your lineup is kids

It's obviously not ideal to have that many unknowns penciled into the lineup, but that's where the prospect depth should really shine. There will be a ton of competition for each of those spots to start the year, and the Bruins will have the ability to switch someone out whenever their game starts slacking...they're at least 3 guys deep at each of those available slots, so it'll basically be a next-man-up mentality.

Ideally they're able to shore up at least one hole (Krejci's LW) via trade/FA, but the competition alone might help a few of those guys take the next step like we've seen others do elsewhere.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Folks,

rule out OEL COMING, or going anywhere..... he is Arizona's new Doan.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

i hate when people who dont research like you and me get misled and then become angry based on bad info so ill lay it out again for you so you can see your mistake

we currently have 10 big contracts (contracts over 2 mill per season)

krejci 7.25
rask 7
bergeron 6.88
marchand 6.13
backes 6
krug 5.25
chara 4
belesky 3.8
mcquaid 2.75
miller 2.5

and we have 2.166 buyout for seidenberg
and .566 buyout for hayes

roughly this is a bit over 55 million for 10 guys

an nhl roster is 23 guys so lets say the other 13 spots average 900k each or 11.7 mill total

we would be at 67 million

but pastrnak/spooner are NOT going to sign for anything close to 900k

your weird math might say otherwise but im putting pastrnak/spooner at a minimum 9 moll between them

or 67 + 7 (more than the 900k) which equals 74 mill

so using 12 guys above 2 mill and 11 elc contracts we come up with 74 mill

the cap is 75 mill... hence my calling your math weird if you are planning to add 4 mill without deducting 4 mill

THERE IS NO CAP SPACE UNLESS WE MAKE CAP SPACE

ALL THE CURRENT CAP SPACE WILL GO TO SIGNING PASTRNAK AND SPOONER TO NO MORE THAN 9 MILL BETWEEN THEM... ANY EXTRA WILL CAUSE US PROBLEMS

edit... i went back to read this thread and see where you are getting your numbers. you are taking the raw number from a cap sight where it says we have 7 dmen, 2 goalies, 9 forwards signed for 61.2

you are suggesting get rid of spooner... use the 13.8 to sign pastrnak and 2 other forwards... this is your 4-5 mill

but that only gives you 12 forwards and only 21 roster spots so you are short 2 roster spots... also you are not leaving room for mcavoys 600k bonus money, and not leaving room for deadline moves

trust me if you get rid of spooner you free up a maximum of 3 mill to replace him with.

All this gnashing of teeth with uncertainty as the basis.

What we likely can ALL agree on:

The Bruins sit with ~$14.5M in available cap space. This includes 8 forwards (I've taken JFK out of capfriendly's numbers as his place is debatable), two goaltenders and seven defensemen. In order to ice a complete team, the Bruins would have to add four forwards to this total.

David Pastrnak is a MUST re-sign.

The Bruins will likely carry at least one extra player above minimum at all times. Even though this is not something they MUST do.

We are likely to see at least two of these forward spots earned by players currently in our system with salaries of less than $1M.

You want to calculate available cap, use THAT as your base. I don't think any of these points are controversial. But feel free to correct me if you feel otherwise.

Why is this important? Because if you start with a half million as your base (after this is signed and that is signed and this other person is added and then this happens), first of all you're working primarily with conjecture... But most importantly, you've defeated yourself before you can understand what kind of flexibility is possible.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Folks,

rule out OEL COMING, or going anywhere..... he is Arizona's new Doan.

Has all of this Oliver Ekman-Larsson conversation been for NOTHING??

What are we going to discuss now that Oliver Ekman-Larsson is off the table??

 

[DitClapper]

Folks,

rule out OEL COMING, or going anywhere..... he is Arizona's new Doan.

Quebec's*

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

I'll look to Dom to chime in on this if he so wishes.

 

[Fenway]

I am convinced the Bruins are content to see what the kids bring in 2017-18 and then a year from now attack free agency harder as they will have more cash to spend.

 

[N o o d l e s]

I'll look to Dom to chime in on this if he so wishes.

Were or are? This could be nice

 

[Montecristo]

I'll look to Dom to chime in on this if he so wishes.

Who is bruins network? Some kid from Uri with 200 followers probably having a fake conversation with a friend in his dorm looking for clicks. Any source he has is unverified and most likely made up. Official sounding name with absolutely zero credibility.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

All this gnashing of teeth with uncertainty as the basis.

What we likely can ALL agree on:

The Bruins sit with ~$14.5M in available cap space. This includes 8 forwards (I've taken JFK out of capfriendly's numbers as his place is debatable), two goaltenders and seven defensemen. In order to ice a complete team, the Bruins would have to add four forwards to this total.

David Pastrnak is a MUST re-sign.

The Bruins will likely carry at least one extra player above minimum at all times. Even though this is not something they MUST do.

We are likely to see at least two of these forward spots earned by players currently in our system with salaries of less than $1M.

You want to calculate available cap, use THAT as your base. I don't think any of these points are controversial. But feel free to correct me if you feel otherwise.

Why is this important? Because if you start with a half million as your base (after this is signed and that is signed and this other person is added and then this happens), first of all you're working primarily with conjecture... But most importantly, you've defeated yourself before you can understand what kind of flexibility is possible.

Marchand (6.13) - Bergeron (6.88) - Pastrnak (7)
XXXXXXXXXXX - Krejci (7.25) - Backes (6)
Beleskey (3.8) - Spooner (2.75) - Vatrano (0.8)
Acciari (0.73) - Nash (0.9) - Schaller (0.9)
JFK (0.92)

F: 44.06

Chara (4) - McAvoy (0.92)
Krug (5.25) - Carlo (0.79)
K.Miller (2.5) - McQuaid (2.75)
Postma (0.73) - O'Gara (0.93)

D: 17.87


Rask (7) - Khudobin (1.2)

G: 8.2


St: 70.13

Bo: 2.74


Total: 72.87

Cap Space: 2.13



Imo, there are two clear options in order to improve:


1) Trade Spooner++ and get (cost controlled) LW; JFK replaces Spooner, Heinen 13th forward

2) Trade McQuaid+ for cheaper LH dman; get a vet LW (Vanek?)



Buyout really sucks, but the situation isn't terrible either.

 

[Absurdity]

Who is bruins network? Some kid from Uri with 200 followers probably having a fake conversation with a friend in his dorm looking for clicks. Any source he has is unverified and most likely made up. Official sounding name with absolutely zero credibility.

Dom, Kirk, and Reed Duthie all follow him. Dom even replied to him: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=134329925&postcount=552

 

[LouJersey]

I am convinced the Bruins are content to see what the kids bring in 2017-18 and then a year from now attack free agency harder as they will have more cash to spend.

I don't think they have much money next year to attack anything.

 

[HumBucker]

It's great to have all these young forward prospects competing for open spots - but what if no one grabs the brass ring? Then we're no better off than last season when we became a one-line team (well, one scoring line; the 4th line did their job well).

Now, maybe Vatrano takes that next step and grabs a top 6 spot next to Krejci. Or maybe Cehlarik. But nobody grabbed that opportunity last season. Did Vatrano have a nagging injury? Maybe he'll be okay. Or maybe someone like Heinen or Debrusk shines in camp and wins that spot. Or maybe Beleskey has a rebound year (finally?).

But what if no one does? What if no one's ready? That's why I'd like to see them acquire a legit top 6 winger. UFA or trade prospects, whatever.

Maybe see what they can get for Spooner++, get a winger for Krejci, move Backes down to the 3rd line C. So we have a youngster on the 2nd line and 3rd line and a still-growing Pasta on the 1st line.

The B's need to keep stepping forward. They made it back to the playoffs, now it's time to do some damage in deeper rounds. And hey, who knows - we've seen teams scrape their way into a wildcard spot, and find themselves in the finals.

Marchand - Bergeron - Pasta
UFA/Trade - Krejci - Youte (Vatrano/Cehlarik/whoever)
Beleskey - Backes - Youte (Vatrano/Cehlarik/whoever)
4th line

 

[Bad Puck Bounce]

Who is bruins network? Some kid from Uri with 200 followers probably having a fake conversation with a friend in his dorm looking for clicks. Any source he has is unverified and most likely made up. Official sounding name with absolutely zero credibility.

I don't know about the follow up here, but Dom vouched for him on the Dvorak side of things.

 

[DominicT]

I am not going to comment about the deal but as I said I vouch for the guy. Years ago when I tweeted a Chara and Bergeron extension I had 3 followers. It is what it is.

I don't know who his source is but as I said someone I know and trust had this news hours before that tweet.

 

[Montecristo]

I don't know about the follow up here, but Dom vouched for him on the Dvorak side of things.

I trust verified accounts. Not 17 year old kids talking about sources with 200 followers. That's me though. I'd like duclair or Dvorak too, maybe I'll tweet about how the #bruins are discussing a deal with #sharks for hertl and change my avatar to the bruins logo, start a blog on Wordpress and pick the first pre made template I see. Write 2 think pieces on their. Talk about sources and see how long it takes me and my 250 followers to get on here as a potential real story

 

[Montecristo]

I am not going to comment about the deal but as I said I vouch for the guy. Years ago when I tweeted a Chara and Bergeron extension I had 3 followers. It is what it is.

I don't know who his source is but as I said someone I know and trust had this news hours before that tweet.

Years ago twitter was pure. Now you can't sort the truth from the fiction, everyone has 10 fake accounts now and misinformation is intentionally given. Twitter is a cesspool

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Years ago twitter was pure. Now you can't sort the truth from the fiction, everyone has 10 fake accounts now and misinformation is intentionally given. Twitter is a cesspool

Twitter may be a cesspool... But Dom is reliable.

If you don't want to take that Twitter account's word for it - take his.

 

[Bodit9]

I'll look to Dom to chime in on this if he so wishes.

Spooner as the centerpiece? YES YES YES.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

I am convinced the Bruins are content to see what the kids bring in 2017-18 and then a year from now attack free agency harder as they will have more cash to spend.

Just took a look at next offseason's *potential* UFAs, and the list is certainly more enticing than this season's crop of free agents. It will be interesting to see how many of these guys actually make it to free agency...

• John Tavares, Joe Thornton, Rick Nash, Paul Stastny, The Sedins, Mikko Koivu, Evander Kane, Valtteri Filppula, Bryan Little, James van Riemsdyk, Patric Hornqvist, James Neal, Tyler Bozak, Mikael Backlund, Nikolay Kulemin, Kyle Turris, Cam Atkinson, Matt Read, Josh Bailey, Antoine Roussel, Andrew Cogliano, Leo Komarov, Radim Vrbata, Matt Calvert, Michael Grabner, Kris Versteeg
• John Carlson, Toby Enstrom, Jack Johnson, Ian Cole, Alexei Emelin, Thomas Hickey, Nick Holden, Brayden McNabb, John Moore, Mike Green, Jason Garrison

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Who is bruins network? Some kid from Uri with 200 followers probably having a fake conversation with a friend in his dorm looking for clicks. Any source he has is unverified and most likely made up. Official sounding name with absolutely zero credibility.

I trust verified accounts. Not 17 year old kids talking about sources with 200 followers. That's me though. I'd like duclair or Dvorak too, maybe I'll tweet about how the #bruins are discussing a deal with #sharks for hertl and change my avatar to the bruins logo, start a blog on Wordpress and pick the first pre made template I see. Write 2 think pieces on their. Talk about sources and see how long it takes me and my 250 followers to get on here as a potential real story

Years ago twitter was pure. Now you can't sort the truth from the fiction, everyone has 10 fake accounts now and misinformation is intentionally given. Twitter is a cesspool

So, first you ask who the kid is...then you badmouth him...then Dom tells you the kid is reliable...then you complain some more about Twitter.

Was there a point?