Proposal: Bruins Off-Season Talk

[Dizzay]

Yakupov is crap. Waste of a roster spot, waste of a contract, waste of effort. You think the team has done nothing, but advocate in trying out a guy that has done nothing with his career since a decent rookie season.

Not sure if you followed along prior to making assumptions at what I said? What I originally stated was that Yakupov is a high skilled player, no he is not our savior by any means, but the guy just got a one year deal, 875k, former 1st overall pick. Yeah he hasn't been able to put it together, but in my opinion its a low risk/high reward type of transaction.

I then stated I was tired of us not adding anyone when we have a glaring hole in our top 6.

So for the last time, not advocating that Yakupov is a savior or has had an astound NHL career so far, I was purely stating he has potential and is a former 1st overall on a show me type of contract. Something I feel the Bruins could have used.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

As a sports history buff Sweeney is doing what every sustainable successful team has done since 1967 which is where I started my research

I will post it some time but be it the Orr Bruins the Broadstreet Bullies the Oilers the 1975-79 Habs to the Lou Lams Devils they all did it with influx of 6-10 young players

I was shocked at what I found and why Youth be served

I want people to enjoy their summer before my post blows their opinions out of the water with facts

The plan is excellent from the Draft & Develop D to the 200 foot centers

Those teams had a Bobby Orr, a Bobby Clarke, a Wayne Gretzky and a Guy Lafleur.

Sweeney doesn't have that kind of an asset.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Arizona is an interesting trade partner. I wonder if we could work out something larger with them to take on some salaries. They have a ton of cap space.

Arizona:
Dvorak & Duclair

Boston:

Heinen, Cehlarik, Spooner, Beleskey, McQuaid, 2018 1st

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Duclair-Krejci-Bjork
Vatrano-Dvorak-Backes (USA Line)
Debrusk-Kuraly-Accairi
Blidh

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
O'Gara-Miller
Postman

That leaves us with around 5mill in cap space.

and why would Arizona do the above, after jettisoning both head coaches, and releasing the face of the franchise.... do some of you not know what the off ice issues are, after 20 + years, and who exactly is keeping the Coyotes pretty much there for much of that is who, YES, FOLKS, your owner of this O6 franchise since 1975.....

why would Duclair and Dvorak leave, AND B) they are as equivalent to the guys we have here and drafted and/or developed and those two are equal to Carlo and McAvoy in this organization, and you're considering dealing one of them to COL, to get Duchene?

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

and why would Arizona do the above, after jettisoning both head coaches, and releasing the face of the franchise.... do some of you not know what the off ice issues are, after 20 + years, and who exactly is keeping the Coyotes pretty much there for much of that is who, YES, FOLKS, your owner of this O6 franchise since 1975.....

why would Duclair and Dvorak leave, AND B) they are as equivalent to the guys we have here and drafted and/or developed and those two are equal to Carlo and McAvoy in this organization, and you're considering dealing one of them to COL, to get Duchene?

You should bring the same enthusiasm you show in the green teamer thread Jacobs sucks

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

and why would Arizona do the above, after jettisoning both head coaches, and releasing the face of the franchise.... do some of you not know what the off ice issues are, after 20 + years, and who exactly is keeping the Coyotes pretty much there for much of that is who, YES, FOLKS, your owner of this O6 franchise since 1975.....

why would Duclair and Dvorak leave, AND B) they are as equivalent to the guys we have here and drafted and/or developed and those two are equal to Carlo and McAvoy in this organization, and you're considering dealing one of them to COL, to get Duchene?

Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Oliver Ekman-Larsson.

We're not getting him. Bottom line.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

You should bring the same enthusiasm you show in the green teamer thread Jacobs sucks

uh, believe it or not, Arizona served us for 4 seasons, in Portland, so we kinda got dragged into that organizational fracas

Boston did PORTLAND NO FAVORS, either, btw, and that's when DS was still actively a player.

 

[bruinmann77]

I am sure DS is still looking but is not going to ruin the rebuild

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Arizona is an interesting trade partner. I wonder if we could work out something larger with them to take on some salaries. They have a ton of cap space.

Arizona:
Dvorak & Duclair

Boston:

Heinen, Cehlarik, Spooner, Beleskey, McQuaid, 2018 1st

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Duclair-Krejci-Bjork
Vatrano-Dvorak-Backes (USA Line)
Debrusk-Kuraly-Accairi
Blidh

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
O'Gara-Miller
Postman

That leaves us with around 5mill in cap space.

if i was them i would be unhappy

might be able to give them spooner if they like him and one of the unwanted contracts if we give them a trade they like.. maybe they like dvorak for heinen and a first?

but cant see them giving up 2 prospects and taking 2 ugly salaries

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

washington capitals now have less than 6 million to sign 8 guys... and not much to trade

john carlson is a rhs on the final year of his contract and phillip guebeur is currently a rfa likely looking at at least 2 mill for a new deal

is there any love for a carlo/khubodin in exchange for carlson/ gruber deal?

we would need to loose spooner and maybe mcquaid or miller to take on the extra 4 million... and then we would need to extend carlson. without an extension this is a bad trade

mostly wondering if any of us think it would be worth it

 

[DitClapper]

washington capitals now have less than 6 million to sign 8 guys... and not much to trade

john carlson is a rhs on the final year of his contract and phillip guebeur is currently a rfa likely looking at at least 2 mill for a new deal

is there any love for a carlo/khubodin in exchange for carlson/ gruber deal?

we would need to loose spooner and maybe mcquaid or miller to take on the extra 4 million... and then we would need to extend carlson. without an extension this is a bad trade

mostly wondering if any of us think it would be worth it

I'd prefer Carlo. Carlson's looking to empty the bank.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

Don't understand why so many fail to grasp that McAvoy and Carlo are the future twin towers of the Bruins D for several years, and players upon which to build.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

also on the andre burakosky signing.. career numbers 196 games played 38 goals 57 assists

ryan spooner 214 games... 32 goals... 85 assists

this becomes another rfa arbitration comparable. i know many people have told me im high on my 3 mill estimate for an arbitration reward but they base it on comparables

 

[PlayMakers]

I'm still holding out hope that there are some tweaks to the lineup up front.

I don't know, I get the feeling Agostino was his big free agent acquisition. He's on a one-way deal and will make $875k even if he's in the minors. Now, if he adds anyone else there won't be any spots left for kids to compete over.

63-37-88
NKOTB-Krejci-Backes
Beleskey-Kuraly-Spooner
Agostino-Nash-Acciari

Again, not sure I'm on board here. Julien tried Krejci and Backes together a lot and the first thing Cassidy did was separate them and move Backes to Bergeron's wing. Spooner at RW also doesn't seem like something they'd build a plan around. And like you said, Vatrano's not even in your lineup.

I guess my long-winded round about way of answering your question haha, I do think they are in better shape. Reason being mainly, the kids getting one year better/stronger/experienced, the cupboard is full and that is going to lead to significant competition and the ability to go out and make a move to upgrade the NHL roster should they want to, without subtracting too too much. A full year of McAvoy just adds to the D hugely. We now have 3+ skating defenders (Krug, Mac, Carlo) and puck movers, and then 3 solid defensive D.... making for really even and balanced pairs. Excited to see what the rest of the summer has in store and what these boys can do come October. I'm ready!

I agree with a lot here. If they improve, it's going to be because young players stepped up and had big years, that will be interesting to watch.

 

[DKH]

Those teams had a Bobby Orr, a Bobby Clarke, a Wayne Gretzky and a Guy Lafleur.

Sweeney doesn't have that kind of an asset.

You cherry picked

Also 12 team leagues

Bruins have 2/3 of Canada top line and the Czech player of the year

I was discussing the influx of prospects over a 3 year period

I probably shouldn't have even brought it up

 

[DKH]

washington capitals now have less than 6 million to sign 8 guys... and not much to trade

john carlson is a rhs on the final year of his contract and phillip guebeur is currently a rfa likely looking at at least 2 mill for a new deal

is there any love for a carlo/khubodin in exchange for carlson/ gruber deal?

we would need to loose spooner and maybe mcquaid or miller to take on the extra 4 million... and then we would need to extend carlson. without an extension this is a bad trade

mostly wondering if any of us think it would be worth it

I would love John Carlson

Now you are taking

 

[PlayMakers]

I'd say you're bang on here. Not sure that I agree with what they're doing but it sure seems like they've got the team set.

Yep, save for some internal competition for the LW spot next to Krejci the rest seems to fit together. I guess it will also be interesting to see if Cassidy keeps Spooner/Vatrano pinned to the 4th line or if he swaps that line with Kuraly/Nash.

 

[neelynugs]

If they improve, it's going to be because young players stepped up and had big years, that will be interesting to watch.

what's your read on the D situation? it's pretty odd to have 5 right-shot defenders in your pack of 7. and while kevan miller seemed ok on the left side, i'd say he's much better on his strong side. you think they plan on keeping miller on left side with mcavoy on the right, with the usual chara/carlo and krug/mcquaid pairings? with cam banging the drum for months about a left shot D, it's hard to believe they just abort that search and go with the current 5/2 split...but here we are.

 

[PlayMakers]

About the same, but better because of the makeup of our team.

Bergeron will be healthy. Marchand and Pastrnak are coming off of career years, Pasta will likely be better, and all three have chemistry. That's going to be the best line in the NHL again... Wouldn't be surprised if all three are PPG and we're certainly still going to lean on them again for a lot of games.

Looking for a strong season out of Krejci. Hopefully he stays healthy. Backes needs to give more on offense, too. If they don't add a top-6 wing then Krejci will be relied on again to anchor that line as it'll likely be a revolving door again. Really wanted that fixed, but what can you do.

Our bottom 6 is ok. I think Agostino was a terrific gamble. Looking for a big bounce back season from Beleskey... He'll have a week or two, and if he doesn't show anything, who knows where he'll be. There will be a lot of healthy competition between rookies there.

McAvoy won't play like he did in the Sens series all season long, but he'll most certainly be an asset and a favorite for ROTY. He adds a lot to our defense and very much improves it. Carlo is a year older, Krug is coming off a career season, and we have some depth there despite losing Morrow/Chiller. Our opening day defense is light years ahead of what it was last year, which bodes well for Rask who I think will have a big bounce backs season after being brutal for ~75% of last year.

I'm pretty confident. ~60/40 chance we make the playoffs, I think. The Atlantic division is pretty tight, but it's also pretty bad. No team there scares me besides Tampa. Will be a dogfight between Boston/Ottawa/Toronto/Montreal/maybe Buffalo all season long. I think we're better than all of those teams, tied with Toronto.

I still think the bottom 6 is a bit of a mess. I think if Kuraly/Nash are our 3rd line we're a playoff tweener. Period. Very few teams can get by nowadays without an offensive push from the 3rd line. I'm hopeful about Agostino, but even if he's great, if Spooner still struggles in his own end that line is going to continue to be a liability. So I think a lot of their progress will depend on whether or not Spooners progresses too.

 

[PB37]

Not sure if you followed along prior to making assumptions at what I said? What I originally stated was that Yakupov is a high skilled player, no he is not our savior by any means, but the guy just got a one year deal, 875k, former 1st overall pick. Yeah he hasn't been able to put it together, but in my opinion its a low risk/high reward type of transaction.

I then stated I was tired of us not adding anyone when we have a glaring hole in our top 6.

So for the last time, not advocating that Yakupov is a savior or has had an astound NHL career so far, I was purely stating he has potential and is a former 1st overall on a show me type of contract. Something I feel the Bruins could have used.

And I'm not saying you are advocating he's a savior. I'm saying it's a waste. We have enough prospects and projects to try out on the wing this year without having to add a very disappointing Yakupov. He's subtraction by addition with the way his career is going.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

You cherry picked

Also 12 team leagues

Bruins have 2/3 of Canada top line and the Czech player of the year

I was discussing the influx of prospects over a 3 year period

I probably shouldn't have even brought it up

i think most of us are on board with your sentiment... where i see everyone nitpick is what kids we talk about

i mean if the conversation opens up to include pastrnak, mcavoy, carlo i think most people would say we do have bluechip kids and yes they should be counted on for key roles now

i guess none of us agree who the other kids will be... how good they will end up... how long until they get here

i look at the age/experience of kuraley and accari and i pencil them in... but do i view them as superstars? obviously no... i view them as basically grinders

i think there will be a hole in our lineup for a kid like vatrano, bjork, heinen, debrusk to fill... but im not sure any of these kids would play top 6 on a deeper team. are they getting that opportunity here on merit? or just because we have a hole? and buying out hayes seams to have created a hole for agostino too.

as for the kid dmen... i thought personally rob ogara paid his dues and deserved a spot on 23 man roster.. but team sees him more than i do and seemingly brought in postma. the other kid dmen still have room to grow in providence

i dont think we are slamming the door in the face of kids... i expect vatrano,kuraley, pastrnak, czarik, agostino, accari, carlo, mcavoy all to be on the team this year but if im wrong then i expect other kids to make it. thats 8 roster spots filled with guys 25 and younger

i further expect a lhs dman and two of derusk/senshyn/heinen/bjork/jfk/frederik to get spots next year

theres going to be alot of kids on the team

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

what's your read on the D situation? it's pretty odd to have 5 right-shot defenders in your pack of 7. and while kevan miller seemed ok on the left side, i'd say he's much better on his strong side. you think they plan on keeping miller on left side with mcavoy on the right, with the usual chara/carlo and krug/mcquaid pairings? with cam banging the drum for months about a left shot D, it's hard to believe they just abort that search and go with the current 5/2 split...but here we are.

if we believe what neely and sweeney have been saying, plus believe the rumors of who we are talking with... they claim to want another lhs dman that will be in starting 6

i think that means they are planning to trade one of the 4 rhs dmen we ended last season with... because they already signed postma on a 1-way so they must see him no worst than 7th on depth chart

whether or not they pull off this trade is still up in the air, but their words and their deeds tell us what they are trying to do

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

And I'm not saying you are advocating he's a savior. I'm saying it's a waste. We have enough prospects and projects to try out on the wing this year without having to add a very disappointing Yakupov. He's subtraction by addition with the way his career is going.

Yakupov is definitely an enigma and a crapshoot. Same cannot be said for Vanek however.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

just a little comparison of our cap to other successful teams

right now for 2018-2019

pittsburgh has 9 players signed for 52 mill with hornqvist/sheary needing to be added

washington has 10 signed for 56 mill with carlsson/gruebeu needing deals

chicago is a gong show with 10 signed for 62... but hopping to get hossa onto ltir

for a comparison we have 13 at 53 million... our 2 guys we dont have signed are chara/pastrnak. if we sign them for 10 we would have 15 signed for 63

the powers are all going to need to dress over half their team with elc... this is the reality of the nhl and why you can no longer give bottom 6 forwards or bottom 3 dmen more than 2 million and expect to win anything

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

And I'm not saying you are advocating he's a savior. I'm saying it's a waste. We have enough prospects and projects to try out on the wing this year without having to add a very disappointing Yakupov. He's subtraction by addition with the way his career is going.

nhl is full of 23 year old kids who move from a bad situation and go on to have great careers. yakupov does have 53 goals in 292 games or 1 every 5.5 games.

when he left edmonton he complained he was basically ostercized... left out of the group... this effects players

in st louis he got 10 1/2 mins of icetime... this isnt exactly a show of support

im not saying there is any guarantee he turns it around, but calling him subtraction by addition is very unfair

 

[Demon Eyes]

we just gonna end resigning stafford