Proposal: Bruins-Hurricanes

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I know the OP isn't a Canes fan and don't think he's a B's fan either. And in fairness to both fan bases:

1) we really don't see enough of the "other guy" to accurately gauge value
-and-
2) Pastrnak (97 career games) and Slavin (63 career games) both have a pretty small sample size of NHL Games under their belt. A lot of other players have looked great for short stints only to never reach the lofty expectations fans have for them.

Needless to say, even though they aren't proven, I think both sides like their guy and want to see what they become rather than trading them for another guy they don't know as much about.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

I don't think the Canes would be interested trading Lindholm. Too much upside to his game, and a rebuilding team like Canes would prefer to keep him I presume.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I agree - in the opposite direction.

As a neutral fan I would take Slavin over Pastrnak every day of the week.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

As a neutral fan I would take Slavin over Pastrnak every day of the week.

If we are moving our top offensive prospect I'd aim higher as the Bruins. Even if it means adding assets. The Bruins need a top 2 not a top 4 if moving a primary asset.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

I'm sure teams are dying to give up a top pairing D for injury prone 30 point wingers and scraps

Maybe its because he doesn't have a Pastrnak poster on his bedroom wall so he's a little less biased

OK then tell me what team(and their fanbase) would give up a player better than Jaccob Slavin for Pastrnak

*crickets

Maybe you should learn why he played the amount of games he did. Last years injury was from taking a slap shot to the ankle. He came back and played and they discovered later it was a broken bone in his foot, surgery then rehab again. The year before he was lighting up the AHL as an 18 year old, then got his chance and took advantage of it.

Kid moved to Sweden as a 15 year old, alone to pursue his dream, his father died shortly after from cancer. He basically grew up by himself as a teenager in a foreign country. Kid gets it, having learned the hard way, he never stops smiling and does whatever it takes for his father.

As for the trade I would not trade him. Bruins need a dee but they have it in the system, they can wait. These proposals always end up being a flame party when other teams fans pile on with old hatred. Makes for fun reading with everyone saying my guy is better or I hate your team so your guy is krap, this other guy I have no clue about is clearly better, lol.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Maybe you should learn why he played the amount of games he did. Last years injury was from taking a slap shot to the ankle. He came back and played and they discovered later it was a broken bone in his foot, surgery then rehab again. The year before he was lighting up the AHL as an 18 year old, then got his chance and took advantage of it.

Kid moved to Sweden as a 15 year old, alone to pursue his dream, his father died shortly after from cancer. He basically grew up by himself as a teenager in a foreign country. Kid gets it, having learned the hard way, he never stops smiling and does whatever it takes for his father.

As for the trade I would not trade him. Bruins need a dee but they have it in the system, they can wait. These proposals always end up being a flame party when other teams fans pile on with old hatred. Makes for fun reading with everyone saying my guy is better or I hate your team so your guy is krap, this other guy I have no clue about is clearly better, lol.

So a winger with top 6 potential is worth a much as a guy with top pairing potential, oh wait I disagree with that it, must be motivated by hate right?

 

[GoldiFox]

If we are moving our top offensive prospect I'd aim higher as the Bruins. Even if it means adding assets. The Bruins need a top 2 not a top 4 if moving a primary asset.

Not that he is remotely available, but Slavin is starting the year as a 22 year old Sophomore top-2 defender. His floor is looking to be a solid 2nd pair and he has #1 upside. After watching both all last year, I think he legitimately has more upside than Hanifin.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

Bruins fans have an unrealistic valuation to what Pastrnak is actually worth in terms of a D-man trade. Slavin, who is almost certainly a top-4 D and has top-pair upside, is pretty much par to what you could get for him...if you can find a GM looking for offensive potential enough to be willing to move proven young D. (Most won't.)

In terms of adding to Pasta to get a bona fide top-pair D...the add is worth more than Pastrnak. Substantially more, he's not the main piece of any such offer. At his peak, he's not going to be worth a top-pair defenseman. To extrapolate out Pasta's peak career worth, look at a guy like Jeff Skinner, another offensively-gifted injury-prone wing; just because they're one of the more-valuable assets on your team doesn't mean they're worth enough to put you in the negotiations for the assets you want. :/

He got hit with a slap shot ONCE.... now he is injury prone. Proven dee (not yet, give it a few years) Pasta has played more games, none of them are proven yet. You still have one guy with a Drew Doughty future all but guaranteed (help with lottery picks if you can) and the other as a injury prone flash in the pan.

 

[nmbr_24]

Um....as a Canes fan, Slavin was quite a bit better than Hanifin this year, and it really wasn't even that close. Granted, Slavin was 21 and Hanifin was 18/19, but there's no denying that Slavin was substantially better this past season. Canes sheltered Hanifin (and rightly so) this past season.

Yes, I understand that he was better than Hanifin last season but what I am saying it is pretty darn reasonable to expect Hanifin to catch up to Slavin at some point and him playing bottom pairing minutes as a 18/19 year old is not the defining moments of his career. He has a boatload of potential and will likely be a much better player than he has been as soon as this upcoming season. Simply put, a developing player who has shown a lot of potential shouldn't be pegged as a bottom pairing D or a 3rd liner in perpetuity.

Also, a player who has displayed some great skill and is still developing and is already playing in the NHL as a bottom pairing D or a 3rd line wing is going to be worth more than the average 3rd liner or bottom pairing D.

 

[wintersej]

An average top pairing D is worth more than an average 1st line winger. Don't think any Bruins fan would argue that. Just think that Slavin has a lower realistic ceiling than the Carolina fans do. Regardless, I think this thread has served its purpose. Neither group is interested in a deal.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

An average top pairing D is worth more than an average 1st line winger. Don't think any Bruins fan would argue that. Just think that Slavin has a lower realistic ceiling than the Carolina fans do. Regardless, I think this thread has served its purpose. Neither group is interested in a deal.

Yep, lock it up.

 

[Roboturner913]

An average top pairing D is worth more than an average 1st line winger. Don't think any Bruins fan would argue that. Just think that Slavin has a lower realistic ceiling than the Carolina fans do. Regardless, I think this thread has served its purpose. Neither group is interested in a deal.

You act as though Hurricanes fans are the only ones hyping Slavin, not true at all. People all around the league have been raving about the guy. I would say his ceiling is probably a little less than Hanifin, but his floor is really, really high for a young d-man. As a 22 year old he played like a 5-6 year veteran, that's rare. But I agree, neither team does this deal, you stick with what you have until you have reason not to.

 

[b in vancouver]

I'm a Bruins fan. I'm not completely sold on Pastrnak yet. He's only 20, Exciting to watch and the upside is definitely there - but he has to stop doing some of those Eberle-esque type turnovers and clean up his game before I completely buy that he'll become that consistently dynamic impact winger - thinking of a healthy Gaborik. I'm still wait and see.

But I'd be hesitant to trade him straight up for Fowler (never mind Slavin) - as although I like Fowler's game at times, he's not all that and a bag of chips either.

These kids are still so young... it's a tough call.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

An average top pairing D is worth more than an average 1st line winger. Don't think any Bruins fan would argue that. Just think that Slavin has a lower realistic ceiling than the Carolina fans do. Regardless, I think this thread has served its purpose. Neither group is interested in a deal.

this bruin fan will argue it... as we go back through history and see what top dmen were traded for, it has traditionally been less than forwards

perhaps in the last 2 years that might change but other than the hall/larson deal its difficult to find examples

top kid dmen from the days of scott stevens and chris chelious... up through chris pronger and ed jovanovski... and through dion phaneuf and bret burns... if you look at the actual trade return its never as much as some fans here say it is.

the reality is that young hall of fame talented dmen get moved almost every year and when they do its often in exchange for a forward that a team desires more.

montreal wants dennis savard... makes chris chelious expendable
st louis wants brenden shanahan... makes scott stevens expendable
florida decides they want pavel bure more than ed jovonovski

boston gives up brad mccrimmon for pete peeters

and of course ottawa was just willing to let chara leave for nothing

we all say its impossible to deal for top dmen but a huge percentage of the best dmen in history have been dealt in the first 10 years of their careers... and usually for less than we think they are worth.

a young randy carlyle is moved for nothing... then wins a norris
montreal gives up on a young rod langway
mark howe is moved on the cheap to philadelphia

its not impossible to get dmen... but dmen are notoriously slow to develop. and often have set backs and struggles. a team can get these dmen for cheap but they have to know what dmen are worth getting

for example boston got boychuk for next to nothing... and it paid off
got mcquaid for next to nothing... kind of paid off
but also got bartowski... didnt really pay off

and there were other guys that didnt ever make it to the show at all.

its not easy, but definitely not impossible

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

If we are moving our top offensive prospect I'd aim higher as the Bruins. Even if it means adding assets. The Bruins need a top 2 not a top 4 if moving a primary asset.

this is completely fair, but also illustrates why we may not be the bestest of trading pratners

 

[NotOpie]

If we are moving our top offensive prospect I'd aim higher as the Bruins. Even if it means adding assets. The Bruins need a top 2 not a top 4 if moving a primary asset.

I'm a Bruins fan. I'm not completely sold on Pastrnak yet. He's only 20, Exciting to watch and the upside is definitely there - but he has to stop doing some of those Eberle-esque type turnovers and clean up his game before I completely buy that he'll become that consistently dynamic impact winger - thinking of a healthy Gaborik. I'm still wait and see.

But I'd be hesitant to trade him straight up for Fowler (never mind Slavin) - as although I like Fowler's game at times, he's not all that and a bag of chips either.

These kids are still so young... it's a tough call.

So, I'm a Canes fan not a Bruins fan, but I pay pretty close attention to prospects across the league. Frankly, in my opinion, your best offensive prospect/young player isn't David Patrnak, it is Zach Senyshyn. People can laugh all they want about that pick, but that dude is gonna be money for the Bruins.....but I wouldn't take either for Jaccob Slavin right now.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Not that he is remotely available, but Slavin is starting the year as a 22 year old Sophomore top-2 defender. His floor is looking to be a solid 2nd pair and he has #1 upside. After watching both all last year, I think he legitimately has more upside than Hanifin.

Well if you are willing to take offers on Hanifin then you might see the Bruins and Bruins fans willing to open the bank and make significant offers

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well if you are willing to take offers on Hanifin then you might see the Bruins and Bruins fans willing to open the bank and make significant offers

Well we (and I suspect the Canes management also) aren't looking to trade either Slavin, nor Hanifin right now. OP is not a Canes fan. So our view is if that someone wanted either of those two, they'd need to open the bank and make significant offers and even then, I think the Canes are willing to keep both guys for the near future.

Some day, down the road, with Faulk, and if all these guys (Hanifin, Slavin, Pesce, Fleury, Bean, McKeown, Murphy, Carrick) pan out, some of them will have to be moved, but IMO, we are a year or two away from that point.

 

[MinJaBen]

Well if you are willing to take offers on Hanifin then you might see the Bruins and Bruins fans willing to open the bank and make significant offers

If the Canes are trading away a young, potential #1D in the near future, then the ask is going to be a young, potential #1C coming back. That is our biggest hole at the moment on our team and in our pipeline. The moves our GM has made over the last few years has filled most of the other holes...mostly in the pipeline at this point, but still some guys that can fill wingers, 2nd and 3rd line centers, goalies and defense.

So, do you have an up and coming, young #1C that you are willing to move for him?

 

[Chan790]

Well if you are willing to take offers on Hanifin then you might see the Bruins and Bruins fans willing to open the bank and make significant offers

Unless the Bruins traded for Matthews, Eichel or McDavid and I just didn't notice, you don't have the asset (note the singular) to make an appealing offer for Hanifin.

No reason to listen to a package offer. Our need is an elite young 1C to build our offense around, not 2 top-6 F specs and a mid-to-late 1st.

 

[nmbr_24]

Unless the Bruins traded for Matthews, Eichel or McDavid and I just didn't notice, you don't have the asset (note the singular) to make an appealing offer for Hanifin.

No reason to listen to a package offer. Our need is an elite young 1C to build our offense around, not 2 top-6 F specs and a mid-to-late 1st.

I understand that if there isn't a fit, then there isn't a fit, but Hanifin doesn't have the kind of value that those players you listed have. I don't think Carolina has a combination of two players that would get McDavid, Hanifin isn't enough to get any of those players.

 

[A4T1L6]

Pointless trade for bruins. Ez pass from them.
Pasta. Spooner>>Car Package.
No need to add prospect +2nd

do you not watch nhl hockey?

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Pointless trade for bruins. Ez pass from them.
Pasta. Spooner>>Car Package.
No need to add prospect +2nd

good post

v correct

 

[Chan790]

I understand that if there isn't a fit, then there isn't a fit, but Hanifin doesn't have the kind of value that those players you listed have. I don't think Carolina has a combination of two players that would get McDavid, Hanifin isn't enough to get any of those players.

No, of course not...but I think any fair-value deal for Hanifin is DOA with the Canes. You'd have to over-pay by a solid margin and offer that kind of elite young 1C.

 

[nmbr_24]

No, of course not...but I think any fair-value deal for Hanifin is DOA with the Canes. You'd have to over-pay by a solid margin and offer that kind of elite young 1C.

To get that kind of a young elite #1 center it would most likely take the same kind of overpayment don't you think?

There is probably no single player in the league that the Oilers would trade straight up for McDavid, Hanifin just doesn't have anywhere near the value that he does. It just struck me as a little ridiculous that McDavid's name would come up in as what would be required as a return for him.

I think you were probably just trying to stress that he isn't available. I don't think he should be either, he hasn't gotten close to what most people see as his potential and it just isn't smart to trade a player that you need, when you have those guys, you keep them unless/until they become expendable and they just are not available.