TSN: Brown will no longer be Captain

[Ziggy Stardust]

Jack Johnson is not the type of defenseman the Kings need. That's like asking for another bonehead like McNabb in the lineup.

 

[tsanuri]

I'm guessing it means what Daly said, relatively flat , would be at or just above or below the current CAP.

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/bettman-daly-expect-nhl-salary-cap-remain-flat/



And that shouldn't be a surprise, the CAnadian dollar was nosediving most of the year; they were hoping (FEb/Mar) that it would rebound, it didn't.

And it will have a huge effect on the Free Agents and the trades , teams trying to dump salary.

Article cites the Coyotes with 34 M in CAP space and Canes and Devils with 30.

It's going to go up at least some. Record revenue means a higher cap. It's just how much. It was at almost 4B last year. And even with a 1.5% gain we would be talking about numbers near the 74M mark. And that is a very slow gain really.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bettman-falling-loonie-may-cost-nhl-200-million/

Despite the soft Canadian dollar — which has now rebounded to 76 cents U.S. from its 13-year low of 68 cents in January — Bettman said he believes the NHL will set a revenue record this season.

 

[Trolfoli]

And therein lies the 'problem' as well as a normal and fair concern of the cap era. Martinez, Muzzin, Doughty ARE the vets; they need the NEXT Muzzin, Toffoli, etc. Because the teams that are going deep are typically on that structure for the last 8-10 years--elite core, cheap and/or young auxillary parts that blow up.

The GOOD news with that is look where those guys came from. Muzzin was a UFA. Martinez was a 4th rounder. King. Nolan 7th. Toffoli 2nd. And so on.

The BAD news is there are no guarantees. Dowd, Mersch, Forbort, Gravel could be the next wave of cup champions or they could be the anchors that sink the ship and everything in between.

But the uncertainty is part of what makes it so fun (and maddening, lol, but you know). I guess I'm just saying I don't see it as the sky is falling, window slammed shut, whatever. I know it's wholly unlikely that we win ANOTHER cup, but it was ALSO wholly unlikely to win one period, never mind two in three years. Temper expectations and try to enjoy hockey for what it is again.

Muzzin/Martinez are the vets now. This is correct. Another possibility is to bring in the Scuderi/Mitchell/Regehr type vets, and move out the current vets for the new crop of Muzzin/Martinez/Toffoli's. Mitchell and Williams were both coming off injuries. Pick vets up on the cheap and use good returns to re-stock.

As far as the next batch of guys panning out. It's a numbers game. You don't know what will happen so now is the time to stock the cupboard back up. Maybe Lombardi feels he has enough coming from the Reign that he can make a signing or 2 and get back on track. We'll find out in a few weeks.

 

[damacles1156]

Comparing the 2012 team to the 2016 team is ********, Damacles, and you know it. We all saw how good they were post deadline, and we all believed they could beat the Canucks. And all the statistics were backing us up. It wasn't about a switch flip--they got Carter, which rounded out the top six, and Brown played way out of his depth for 40ish games.

We trashed the 2012 team pre-Carter trade because sans that trade they would have been fodder in the first round.

This 2016 team was an entirely different story. It's disingenuous of you to brush this off as one good team getting beat by a better team. You can't in one thread claim that the Kings were one of the worst teams in the playoffs, and here claim that they're still a good team needing a minor tweak or two. Which is it?

This 2016 team had the exact opposite trajectory of 2012--world beaters in October and November, no shows in March and April. Everything about this 2016 team was Opposite Day to the Kings teams we've seen do well over the past several years.

If the Sharks series goes down to the wire, maybe I'm singing a different tune. But that series wasn't even close. And if the gulf is that large between SC finalists and us, then no, a "few tweaks" won't close the gap.

There's a lot wrong with this team and that was clear when they were bleeding points down the stretch and pissing away leads. You can shrug this off if you want, but when your captain is getting his letter stripped after two championships, there's a problem.

I know this is all negative crap and that really rubs some people the wrong way, but it's how I see it. I'm not a rah rah cheerleader always believe kind of sports fan and I never have been. I'm not afraid to trash my team when they deserve it. Sometimes it's okay to call a spade a spade. The Kings have imploded two years in a row now. That's cause for concern, especially coming off Cup-WCF-Cup. We have too many major holes that we don't have the assets nor prospects to fill. This goes beyond just a roster tweak, IMO.

I know for a fact that in 2012, I didn't even think the Kings would make the playoff's till about april. The Team wasn't that good even in Feb, it wasn't till late March the team started to play a little better.

Without Quick playing a career year from start to finish, that roster doesn't make the playoffs. So lets not act like the Kings played well all year, or even the second half. They were the 8th seed for a reason.

Also I can remember a lot of folks nervous about facing the Canucks round one. That was a darn good Canucks team, that got beat by a team that wanted it more.

Side point, If Kopitar/Doughty/Quick/Carter are going to get outplayed, it doesn't matter what your roster is.

Also EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the NHL has holes. The Sharks don't exactly have a great bottom six (it's garbage if you ask me) Pens 5/6 Defenders are not world beaters, weak at some wing spots.

What killed the Kings in the Sharks series ? Pavs/Thornton/Jones/Burns Out playing Kopitar/Doughty/Quick/Carter. That killed the Kings more than anything.

 

[Fishhead]

Muzzin/Martinez are the vets now. This is correct. Another possibility is to bring in the Scuderi/Mitchell/Regehr type vets, and move out the current vets for the new crop of Muzzin/Martinez/Toffoli's. Mitchell and Williams were both coming off injuries. Pick vets up on the cheap and use good returns to re-stock.

As far as the next batch of guys panning out. It's a numbers game. You don't know what will happen so now is the time to stock the cupboard back up. Maybe Lombardi feels he has enough coming from the Reign that he can make a signing or 2 and get back on track. We'll find out in a few weeks.

There's just not much out there though. If Lucic walks, the Kings could take runs at guys like Hamhuis and Eriksson and see what they are asking for, but outside of those two there isn't much that's impressive. I imagine both will command 5-6M.

The Kings could make a bit of space probably afford to grab Eriksson and a Liles type and go with rooks in the other spots. Demers might be a buy low guy, he looked like crap in the playoffs after that shoulder injury. He was pretty impressive early in the year.

Yea, Eriksson is a bad contract waiting to happen, but at least he's 30, right between Kopitar and Carter. Kopitar-Carter-Eriksson down the middle would give them a few more kicks at it before the wheels fall off.

 

[Trolfoli]

There's just not much out there though. If Lucic walks, the Kings could take runs at guys like Hamhuis and Eriksson and see what they are asking for, but outside of those two there isn't much that's impressive. I imagine both will command 5-6M.

The Kings could make a bit of space probably afford to grab Eriksson and a Liles type and go with rooks in the other spots. Demers might be a buy low guy, he looked like crap in the playoffs after that shoulder injury. He was pretty impressive early in the year.

Yea, Eriksson is a bad contract waiting to happen, but at least he's 30, right between Kopitar and Carter. Kopitar-Carter-Eriksson down the middle would give them a few more kicks at it before the wheels fall off.

There isn't a lot out there, but what do the Kings need? If they are looking at restocking/waiting a year/2 to get things back on track they need place holders and projects for next year. If it doesn't work out then the draft pick is higher.

One guy that might fit the bill could be Wisniewski. He missed pretty much all of last year with an injury. Carolina has a bunch of young D that played well last year. He also has a NMC so have to see how that works with the expansion draft. If the Kings were to move out Martinez, and get Wisniewski as a dump/project on the cheap it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Justin Schultz is another guy. He'd be another project. RFA, making 3.9M with a qualifying offer I doubt the Pens come up with. Could probably get him on a short term deal, 1-2 years, as I wouldn't say his role/salary has been defined. If it doesn't go well, the term is short and just dump him or wait out the contract. If he does well but isn't fitting in, flip him at the deadline for assets. If it pans out, keep him.

Then the other game. There may be some good young D available due to the expansion. Guys that are in a similar position to Gravel/Forbort that have shown more. If teams have 3-4 established D they may not be able to protect some nice defenders. Might be able to find some for some decent prices. Also if the Kings pick up guys on short term deals that'll expire, or something like a J.Schultz on a 2 year deal, those players won't need to be protected.

For example,
-trade Martinez for young assets/picks.
-pick up defender that it won't matter if expansion team takes them.
-target good young defenders that teams won't protect due to depth on D and Kings will be able to with an open spot.

Get assets from trade. Get additional assets for cheap that teams aren't in a position to protect.

Edit: Made possible because the Kings are going into a re-tool at the same time the expansion may be happening.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Comparing the 2012 team to the 2016 team is ********, Damacles, and you know it. We all saw how good they were post deadline, and we all believed they could beat the Canucks.

lol, NOBODY thought the Kings could beat the President Trophy Canucks in 2012...including most of this board. Did you forget we were like 2 points from missing the playoffs to begin with? Puhlease.

 

[Sydney Cosby]

lol, NOBODY thought the Kings could beat the President Trophy Canucks in 2012...including most of this board. Did you forget we were like 2 points from missing the playoffs to begin with? Puhlease.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story

1	* - Vancouver	82	51	22	9	111	43	8	7	27-10-4	24-12-5	249	198	+51	8-1-1	Won 1
2	y - St. Louis	82	49	22	11	109	45	4	10	30-6-5	19-16-6	210	165	+45	4-3-3	Won 1
3	y - Phoenix	82	42	27	13	97	36	6	10	22-13-6	20-14-7	216	204	+12	7-1-2	Won 5
4	x - Nashville	82	48	26	8	104	43	5	5	26-10-5	22-16-3	237	210	+27	6-4-0	Won 3
5	x - Detroit	82	48	28	6	102	39	9	3	31-7-3	17-21-3	248	203	+45	4-4-2	Lost 2
6	x - Chicago	82	45	26	11	101	38	7	7	27-8-6	18-18-5	248	238	+10	6-1-3	Won 1
7	x - San Jose	82	43	29	10	96	34	9	5	26-12-3	17-17-7	228	210	+18	7-3-0	Won 4
8	x - Los Angeles	82	40	27	15      [b]95[/b]     34	6	9	22-14-5	18-13-10	194	179	+15	5-2-3	Lost 2
 	e - Calgary	82	37	29	16	[b]90[/b]	34	3	9	23-12-6	14-17-10	202	226	-24	3-3-4	Won 2
 	e - Dallas	82	42	35	5	89	35	7	4	22-16-3	20-19-2	211	222	-11	3-7-0	Lost 5
 	e - Colorado	82	41	35	6	88	32	9	2	22-17-2	19-18-4	208	220	-12	3-5-2	Lost 2
 	e - Minnesota	82	35	36	11	81	24	11	9	20-17-4	15-19-7	177	226	-49	5-4-1	Lost 1
 	e - Anaheim	82	34	36	12	80	31	3	7	21-18-2	13-18-10	204	231	-27	4-5-1	Lost 1
 	e - Edmonton	82	32	40	10	74	27	5	7	18-17-6	14-23-4	212	239	-27	4-4-2	Lost 3
 	e - Columbus	82	29	46	7	65	25	4	5	17-21-3	12-25-4	202	262	-60	6-4-0	Won 2

 

[eleventy]

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story

1	* - Vancouver	82	51	22	9	111	43	8	7	27-10-4	24-12-5	249	198	+51	8-1-1	Won 1
2	y - St. Louis	82	49	22	11	109	45	4	10	30-6-5	19-16-6	210	165	+45	4-3-3	Won 1
3	y - Phoenix	82	42	27	13	97	36	6	10	22-13-6	20-14-7	216	204	+12	7-1-2	Won 5
4	x - Nashville	82	48	26	8	104	43	5	5	26-10-5	22-16-3	237	210	+27	6-4-0	Won 3
5	x - Detroit	82	48	28	6	102	39	9	3	31-7-3	17-21-3	248	203	+45	4-4-2	Lost 2
6	x - Chicago	82	45	26	11	101	38	7	7	27-8-6	18-18-5	248	238	+10	6-1-3	Won 1
7	x - San Jose	82	43	29	10	96	34	9	5	26-12-3	17-17-7	228	210	+18	7-3-0	Won 4
8	x - Los Angeles	82	40	27	15      [b]95[/b]     34	6	9	22-14-5	18-13-10	194	179	+15	5-2-3	Lost 2
 	e - Calgary	82	37	29	16	[b]90[/b]	34	3	9	23-12-6	14-17-10	202	226	-24	3-3-4	Won 2
 	e - Dallas	82	42	35	5	89	35	7	4	22-16-3	20-19-2	211	222	-11	3-7-0	Lost 5
 	e - Colorado	82	41	35	6	88	32	9	2	22-17-2	19-18-4	208	220	-12	3-5-2	Lost 2
 	e - Minnesota	82	35	36	11	81	24	11	9	20-17-4	15-19-7	177	226	-49	5-4-1	Lost 1
 	e - Anaheim	82	34	36	12	80	31	3	7	21-18-2	13-18-10	204	231	-27	4-5-1	Lost 1
 	e - Edmonton	82	32	40	10	74	27	5	7	18-17-6	14-23-4	212	239	-27	4-4-2	Lost 3
 	e - Columbus	82	29	46	7	65	25	4	5	17-21-3	12-25-4	202	262	-60	6-4-0	Won 2

wow i totally forgot phoenix won the division that year...

 

[KingsKnight]

wow i totally forgot phoenix won the division that year...

Yup, we beat 1 2 and 3, and people said it was easy.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Stickgate vs. the Sharks and the Yotes winning their last game of the year vaulted the Coyotes over both of us into the division crown, lol.

What a crazy hockey world.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There isn't a lot out there, but what do the Kings need? If they are looking at restocking/waiting a year/2 to get things back on track they need place holders and projects for next year. If it doesn't work out then the draft pick is higher.

One guy that might fit the bill could be Wisniewski. He missed pretty much all of last year with an injury. Carolina has a bunch of young D that played well last year. He also has a NMC so have to see how that works with the expansion draft. If the Kings were to move out Martinez, and get Wisniewski as a dump/project on the cheap it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Justin Schultz is another guy. He'd be another project. RFA, making 3.9M with a qualifying offer I doubt the Pens come up with. Could probably get him on a short term deal, 1-2 years, as I wouldn't say his role/salary has been defined. If it doesn't go well, the term is short and just dump him or wait out the contract. If he does well but isn't fitting in, flip him at the deadline for assets. If it pans out, keep him.

Then the other game. There may be some good young D available due to the expansion. Guys that are in a similar position to Gravel/Forbort that have shown more. If teams have 3-4 established D they may not be able to protect some nice defenders. Might be able to find some for some decent prices. Also if the Kings pick up guys on short term deals that'll expire, or something like a J.Schultz on a 2 year deal, those players won't need to be protected.

For example,
-trade Martinez for young assets/picks.
-pick up defender that it won't matter if expansion team takes them.
-target good young defenders that teams won't protect due to depth on D and Kings will be able to with an open spot.

Get assets from trade. Get additional assets for cheap that teams aren't in a position to protect.

Edit: Made possible because the Kings are going into a re-tool at the same time the expansion may be happening.

I think we're looking thin at the best possible time, I agree the expansion draft is actually probably good for us. Not so much if it happened after 2014. Good things can happen, and I wonder if that's one of the reasons DL and co. changed philosophy.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

There isn't a lot out there, but what do the Kings need? If they are looking at restocking/waiting a year/2 to get things back on track they need place holders and projects for next year. If it doesn't work out then the draft pick is higher.

One guy that might fit the bill could be Wisniewski. He missed pretty much all of last year with an injury. Carolina has a bunch of young D that played well last year. He also has a NMC so have to see how that works with the expansion draft. If the Kings were to move out Martinez, and get Wisniewski as a dump/project on the cheap it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Justin Schultz is another guy. He'd be another project. RFA, making 3.9M with a qualifying offer I doubt the Pens come up with. Could probably get him on a short term deal, 1-2 years, as I wouldn't say his role/salary has been defined. If it doesn't go well, the term is short and just dump him or wait out the contract. If he does well but isn't fitting in, flip him at the deadline for assets. If it pans out, keep him.

Then the other game. There may be some good young D available due to the expansion. Guys that are in a similar position to Gravel/Forbort that have shown more. If teams have 3-4 established D they may not be able to protect some nice defenders. Might be able to find some for some decent prices. Also if the Kings pick up guys on short term deals that'll expire, or something like a J.Schultz on a 2 year deal, those players won't need to be protected.

For example,
-trade Martinez for young assets/picks.
-pick up defender that it won't matter if expansion team takes them.
-target good young defenders that teams won't protect due to depth on D and Kings will be able to with an open spot.

Get assets from trade. Get additional assets for cheap that teams aren't in a position to protect.

Edit: Made possible because the Kings are going into a re-tool at the same time the expansion may be happening.

Trouba might be on the trade block. Winnipeg needs a LHD and have a couple of RHD. Trouba is a RFA looking for around 5m+ and the Jets would probably rather have him around 4m.

So we offer Martinez++ for Trouba and then try to sign a veteran LHD like Yandle or let the young LHD dman we have play.

At the expansion draft we protect 8 and 1 with...

Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Trouba, Yandle (other UFA or Young D/F that breaks out) and Quick

 

[Omni Owl]

Trouba might be on the trade block. Winnipeg needs a LHD and have a couple of RHD. Trouba is a RFA looking for around 5m+ and the Jets would probably rather have him around 4m.

So we offer Martinez++ for Trouba and then try to sign a veteran LHD like Yandle or let the young LHD dman we have play.

At the expansion draft we protect 8 and 1 with...

Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Trouba, Yandle (other UFA or Young D/F that breaks out) and Quick

Not the worst idea I've heard, it would hurt to lose Martinez though.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Not the worst idea I've heard, it would hurt to lose Martinez though.

Yeah but we are loaded on the left side and Trouba is like 5-6 years younger than Martinez and better already. Losing Martinez would suck but it would reset the defense for the better.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Jack Johnson is -126 for his career, to put that in perspective Petr Klima retied with a -125 and the all time record holder is Bob Stewart at -260, so Jack is almost halfway to the record. I think he can do it, Jack ******* Minus Johnson.

 

[yankeeking]

one of the many reasons we got our ***** handed to us was marty being hurt and yet he is still in all the trade plans .....some of you guys have already thrown in the towel on next year for sure and some have us going thru a closed window with bars , I would like to see how many were predicting our dynasty in the summer of 2014, master jinx by the way, and now 2 years latter and we may never win another series ****ing incredible, this is sports and we of all people should know nothing goes as easy as it should or as bleak as it seems after a loss. Try to get a grip we still have a very good core with 11,8,77,73,70,32,6,27 and a guy that if history repeats will have a comeback year in 12 , and if we get anything out of 23, 74,13 and 71 will be a plus even if it is in a trade pkg. . Not trying to be overly optimistic but around the middle of feb. in 2012 I was actually thinking of not renewing my seats or buying the playoffs because I didn't want to go thru vancouver fan arrogance again, i almost ended up in jail a couple of times lol, and we did not appear to be getting better then BOOM we are cup champs we have a few years left enjoy them GO KINGS GO

 

[KingsOfCali25]

one of the many reasons we got our ***** handed to us was marty being hurt and yet he is still in all the trade plans .....some of you guys have already thrown in the towel on next year for sure and some have us going thru a closed window with bars , I would like to see how many were predicting our dynasty in the summer of 2014, master jinx by the way, and now 2 years latter and we may never win another series ****ing incredible, this is sports and we of all people should know nothing goes as easy as it should or as bleak as it seems after a loss. Try to get a grip we still have a very good core with 11,8,77,73,70,32,6,27 and a guy that if history repeats will have a comeback year in 12 , and if we get anything out of 23, 74,13 and 71 will be a plus even if it is in a trade pkg. . Not trying to be overly optimistic but around the middle of feb. in 2012 I was actually thinking of not renewing my seats or buying the playoffs because I didn't want to go thru vancouver fan arrogance again, i almost ended up in jail a couple of times lol, and we did not appear to be getting better then BOOM we are cup champs we have a few years left enjoy them GO KINGS GO

The reason to trade AMart is because the Kings are loaded on the left side and he has value to bring back a RHD that we need. Only other LHD guy to trade that people want is Muzzin and that would hurt the team more than Marty. Guys with contracts next season or RFA:

LHD:
Muzzin
Martinez
McNabb
Scuderi
Gravel
Forbort

RHD:
Doughty
Greene

 

[kingsfan28]

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story

1	* - Vancouver	82	51	22	9	111	43	8	7	27-10-4	24-12-5	249	198	+51	8-1-1	Won 1
2	y - St. Louis	82	49	22	11	109	45	4	10	30-6-5	19-16-6	210	165	+45	4-3-3	Won 1
3	y - Phoenix	82	42	27	13	97	36	6	10	22-13-6	20-14-7	216	204	+12	7-1-2	Won 5
4	x - Nashville	82	48	26	8	104	43	5	5	26-10-5	22-16-3	237	210	+27	6-4-0	Won 3
5	x - Detroit	82	48	28	6	102	39	9	3	31-7-3	17-21-3	248	203	+45	4-4-2	Lost 2
6	x - Chicago	82	45	26	11	101	38	7	7	27-8-6	18-18-5	248	238	+10	6-1-3	Won 1
7	x - San Jose	82	43	29	10	96	34	9	5	26-12-3	17-17-7	228	210	+18	7-3-0	Won 4
8	x - Los Angeles	82	40	27	15      [b]95[/b]     34	6	9	22-14-5	18-13-10	194	179	+15	5-2-3	Lost 2
 	e - Calgary	82	37	29	16	[b]90[/b]	34	3	9	23-12-6	14-17-10	202	226	-24	3-3-4	Won 2
 	e - Dallas	82	42	35	5	89	35	7	4	22-16-3	20-19-2	211	222	-11	3-7-0	Lost 5
 	e - Colorado	82	41	35	6	88	32	9	2	22-17-2	19-18-4	208	220	-12	3-5-2	Lost 2
 	e - Minnesota	82	35	36	11	81	24	11	9	20-17-4	15-19-7	177	226	-49	5-4-1	Lost 1
 	e - Anaheim	82	34	36	12	80	31	3	7	21-18-2	13-18-10	204	231	-27	4-5-1	Lost 1
 	e - Edmonton	82	32	40	10	74	27	5	7	18-17-6	14-23-4	212	239	-27	4-4-2	Lost 3
 	e - Columbus	82	29	46	7	65	25	4	5	17-21-3	12-25-4	202	262	-60	6-4-0	Won 2

People, especially the media seem to get this wrong every time. They all say "the Kings barely made the playoffs in 2012..." , but if you actually do a small bit of research you'll find they made it by 5 points, plus they held the tie breaker. In baseball terms, that's like saying the Yankees won the championship by only making the playoffs with a 3 game lead. It really came down to the last weekend of the season who would win the division and finish 2nd and 3rd.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I love love love love Martinez, but he wishes he had the ceiling Trouba does. Trouba is already the best version of Voynov and then some.

Doughty - Muzzin / Trouba - McNabb/Gravel means you can do whatever the **** you want with the last pairing and Trouba can step up just-in-case more so than Martinez can.

Ugh I hate the idea of giving Martinez up but I think a lot of people aren't seeing just how special Trouba could be, he was drawing comparisons to Drew his rookie year and though he stagnated a bit imagine our system w/him...

If we found a way to land Trouba (or even Barrie or hell, Myers/Buff) without giving up a core player, I'd consider this offseason a smashing success.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

I love love love love Martinez, but he wishes he had the ceiling Trouba does. Trouba is already the best version of Voynov and then some.

Doughty - Muzzin / Trouba - McNabb/Gravel means you can do whatever the **** you want with the last pairing and Trouba can step up just-in-case more so than Martinez can.

Ugh I hate the idea of giving Martinez up but I think a lot of people aren't seeing just how special Trouba could be, he was drawing comparisons to Drew his rookie year and though he stagnated a bit imagine our system w/him...

If we found a way to land Trouba (or even Barrie or hell, Myers/Buff) without giving up a core player, I'd consider this offseason a smashing success.

we'll most likely sign Mike Weaver again

 

[kingsfan28]

I love love love love Martinez, but he wishes he had the ceiling Trouba does. Trouba is already the best version of Voynov and then some.

Doughty - Muzzin / Trouba - McNabb/Gravel means you can do whatever the **** you want with the last pairing and Trouba can step up just-in-case more so than Martinez can.

Ugh I hate the idea of giving Martinez up but I think a lot of people aren't seeing just how special Trouba could be, he was drawing comparisons to Drew his rookie year and though he stagnated a bit imagine our system w/him...

If we found a way to land Trouba (or even Barrie or hell, Myers/Buff) without giving up a core player, I'd consider this offseason a smashing success.

Lets say we do get Trouba, wouldn't he be exposed in the expansion draft?

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Lets say we do get Trouba, wouldn't he be exposed in the expansion draft?

Not if you traded Martinez for him. If you didn't, you just go the 8 skaters + 1 goalie route. Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Trouba, Martinez, Quick.

 

[scramble91]

Lets say we do get Trouba, wouldn't he be exposed in the expansion draft?

No they would protect drew muzz and trouba

I think it's a pipe dream. It would take a lot.....significantly more than Martinez and we don't have many expendable high level assets to make it happen. We would be easily outbid IMO.

 

[Johnny Utah]

What RH d men are out there as UFA?