Brind'Amour throws Tulsky under the bus for the Rantanen situation: "And the question is, should we have known that before we attempted to sign him?"

[a mangy Meowth]

As long as you're content to mire yourself in ignorance, I guess

It's not ignorance for me to just completely disagree with the philosophy you're laying out

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It's not ignorance for me to just completely disagree with the philosophy you're laying out

It's ignorant to insist on a stance that's factually incorrect. It's like saying the Earth is flat is a disagreement of philosophy

 

[a mangy Meowth]

It's ignorant to insist on a stance that's factually incorrect.

ok!

 

[To Be Determined]

It is funny that incompetent coach complaining about the incompetence of the GM who keeps him employed.

Oh mate, your first clue should have been: "why I am still the coach after multiple failures in playoffs?"

comparing two coaches first six years:

A - 6 playoff appearances, wins a round each year, two conference finals (egads, both sweeps)
B - 5 playoff appearances, out twice in one series (egads, both sweeps), three conference finals, one cup final

does losing one final make up for missing the playoffs one year, and getting swept in the first round twice - including as president's trophy winners, with over 20 points more than second place? maybe.

i don't think rba will win the cup this year to match year 7 in the comparison, though. which is a lot of words to say i do wish tampa had fired cooper after the blue jackets embarassment in year 6. i'm sure others do, too lol

but at least you appear to be a tampa fan. so you've seen actual success lately. the number of fans of objectively less successful franchises (in the brind'amour/dundon era) talking smack is funny. like, if the canes are a joke franchise with incompetence throughout the org, what the hell does that make most other teams?

 

[Slats432]

For me the situation is kinda like “do I want to go to Fred’s house three Saturday's from now?” Someone asks me that I go “yea maybe, I gotta see what I got going on but il probably let you know” Feigning interest not to be rude but I have no intention of going to Fred’s house. Fred’s house is weird, kinda small and smells like old malted 40 bottles and skittles (cause of the candles).

When the time comes to confirm whether I will be going to Fred’s, I got say “Nah man not really, I can think of at least 4 other places I’d rather be.”

It’s kinda like that. Now if Fred bought extra boneless chicken wings and that wine he knows I like to drink, that’s on him. I never confirmed my attendance.

This could be an all time HFBoards post. (And I have been here for almost 25 years.)

 

[Daishi]

One look at our defense knowing 40 year old Burns is playing top line minutes despite having some of the worst metrics in the league, and Orlov anchoring the 2nd line despite being a turnover machine, is enough to tell you we were very honest about not contending this year knowing that we have Nikishin and Morrow coming in next year. This was always going to be a transition year. Even when we traded for Rantanen, it was always about being able to sign him long term, which when we did our due diligence before the trade, we were told he was interested in doing that.

There is no way we can anticipate an agent or player lying like that. You have to take them for their word. To hear that he came in and immediately said he won't sign here and then played like absolute dogshit while here, very much causing issues in the locker room, they did about as well as they could to get out from under it.

And at the end of the day, its likely we sold high on Necas and bought low on Stankoven. Is Necas the better player, probably, but he was a terrible fit here, and we ended up with a guy who fits the style we want to play. And then we ended up with 2 1st rounders and a fully bought in Taylor Hall as well. Things could have ended up much worse for us.

Oh, and after all this news comes out, if I'm Dallas, I'm worried that Rantanen will become a petulant child and locker room issue if things aren't always golden. Given what happened in Carolina, you know he's the kind of guy who needs his ass kissed 24/7 or he's going to bring the locker room down with him. And now he's extended 8 years at $12m.


His girlfriend hated Raleigh. It really is that deep, especially when Rantanen mentions her by name as part of the reason they liked Dallas before his first game there.

When he's an impending UFA pacing 4 consecutive 100p seasons it's a reason as good as any. I mean what are we talking about here? He's signing for a decade, and while he's flying around NA working the GF spends most of the time at home. If he basically has multiple job offers we can't judge him for choosing what's best for him and his.

 

[Craig Button]

For me the situation is kinda like “do I want to go to Fred’s house three Saturday's from now?” Someone asks me that I go “yea maybe, I gotta see what I got going on but il probably let you know” Feigning interest not to be rude but I have no intention of going to Fred’s house. Fred’s house is weird, kinda small and smells like old malted 40 bottles and skittles (cause of the candles).

When the time comes to confirm whether I will be going to Fred’s, I got say “Nah man not really, I can think of at least 4 other places I’d rather be.”

It’s kinda like that. Now if Fred bought extra boneless chicken wings and that wine he knows I like to drink, that’s on him. I never confirmed my attendance.

 

[chaz4hockey]

There was talk about the deal close to being done the night before the deadline (granted it was late at night i think)........And you run out of time ?

I'm not privy to how it all works behind the scenes but that feels so amateurish....

Terms were done between teams but Rantanen had not yet come to terms with the Stars. Ultimately, that was the hold up that stopped Canes from making other deals (didn't have the cap space until Mikko was gone).

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Long term, the canes are a far better team with Stank and 2 1sts than Necas imo even the 2 3rds. The canes have been lights out drafting (Nikishin and the other Russian they got this year Antramanov I think?). Stank looks like he can be a star.

GM gets a B+ in my book great assest management but they are near cup contention and could’ve went for it

Note- not a fan of Canes I am a leafs fan so unbiased opinion

 

[Pete Taylor]

Honestly extremely impressed that Tulsky had the wherewithal to know that he made the wrong decision, and then the balls to trade him again. Honestly valuewise, he turned Necas, Drury, and 2 late seconds, into Stank, and 2 late firsts, which is pretty damn good. He's going to get shit for this, but made out really well.

 

[japhi27returns]

Issue is they are built to win now. not in 5 or 6 years

They are not built to win now. They have unproven goaltending, terrible depth at C, and let two of their top 4 dmen walk last year.

They have some nice pieces, more on the way, and Rod gets the most out of that team, but on paper they are middle of the pack and are trending the wrong way.

This was a good trade for where this team is at, they need to retool and get younger.

 

[Mirinho]

And at the end of the day, its likely we sold high on Necas and bought low on Stankoven. Is Necas the better player, probably, but he was a terrible fit here, and we ended up with a guy who fits the style we want to play.

Necas was terrible fit in Carolina?
And he is probably better than Stankoven?

you really must hate Marty ...

 

[japhi27returns]

Brindamour must have some amazing job security.

He could pick his spot after CAR and for more money, doubt he cares if they launch him. He has to be sick of having to build lines with KK and Staal at 2/3, all the goalie turnover. Imagine his patience with the big brains in mgmt that think you can constantly churn players is running out.

What he has done with that lineup is amazing.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Necas was terrible fit in Carolina?
And he is probably better than Stankoven?

you really must hate Marty ...

I'd ask, how often have you watched Canes games?

Necas is a world class skater and improved nicely this year but there were plenty of flaws to his game that also made him a liability, particularly in playoff games (in which his outside play gets subdued).

In a perfect world, I'd want both Necas and Mikko on my team at the same time.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Another internet hero that's worshipped because <reasons> despite doing nothing. Meanwhile legends get trashed on here all day just so that people can show everyone how "well actually " smart they are.

 

[LPHabsFan]

The organization realizes you can't go "all in" every year. They attempted to last year, because they knew they'd lose a lot of long-term Hurricanes this past off-season. This session, Burns and Orlov's contracts are ending. Next season, the "next wave" of prospects are expected to make the team, and they'll begin their push again.

In addition, the Canes have basically played .500 hockey since November. No one expects this team to go far. Again, if you've not been paying attention, that's on you.

If this is true, then why would you go out and get Rantanen in the first place?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

If this is true, then why would you go out and get Rantanen in the first place?

Because they were told that Rantanen would be open to signing a long-term deal, and one of the knocks against Carolina for years has been that they lack a gamebreaking forward. Rantanen, in theory, was one of those. And all it would have cost them was a player they were trying to trade this past offseason anyway. Why wouldn’t they make that trade?

 

[LPHabsFan]

Because they were told that Rantanen would be open to signing a long-term deal, and one of the knocks against Carolina for years has been that they lack a gamebreaking forward. Rantanen, in theory, was one of those. And all it would have cost them was a player they were trying to trade this past offseason anyway. Why wouldn’t they make that trade?

Can you please show me where it was said that they were told he'd be open to signing with them?

 

[Brent Burns]

Y’all love creating drama, he didn’t throw Tulsky under the bus, he was just voicing frustration with how things panned out. The way he worded things is partially being taken out of context When a deal for a player of that caliber is on the table you pull the trigger 10/10 times. Go back and look at the trade thread and literally any news outlet reporting on it, people couldn’t believe Canes pulled that off. Tulsky is a good GM, it’s tough being thrust into his role when a team is already at the top. You’re immediately forced to manage some of the top assets in the world. This is a silly story focusing on hindsight. What if Rantanen said hey you know what it’s really nice here, pass the contract

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Can you please show me where it was said that they were told he'd be open to signing with them?

Friedman talked about it in his postdeadline podcast (around 16:30) Basically, the Avalanche give Carolina permission to talk to Rantanen’s agent, they asked if Rantanen would be open to signing a new deal with Carolina. Rantanen/his agent thought it was a negotiating tactic and said “sure, he’ll sign there.” Carolina takes him at his word. The trade happens.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Terms were done between teams but Rantanen had not yet come to terms with the Stars. Ultimately, that was the hold up that stopped Canes from making other deals (didn't have the cap space until Mikko was gone).

I have 0 belief that Tulsky and Co could not negotiate deals.
The rumor regarding Boeser seems they were trying to get someone cheaper then the prices dictated this deadline year.

That is my belief anyways.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I have 0 belief that Tulsky and Co could not negotiate deals.
The rumor regarding Boeser seems they were trying to get someone cheaper then the prices dictated this deadline year.

That is my belief anyways.

According to this:

What happened between the Canucks, Hurricanes, and Boeser on deadline day?

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canucksarmy.com

Tulsky and Allvin had a deal set up to send Boeser to Carolina, but it involved one of the picks the Canes would have gotten from Dallas. So the deal couldn’t go through until the Rantanen deal happened. That took a bit of time, but once it was done, Tulsky approached Allvin again and tried to get the deal done. But Allvin had changed his mind during that delay and didn’t accept the offer. The reasons aren’t clear why, but regardless, the delay in the Dallas deal appears to be the main factor.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Issue is they are built to win now. not in 5 or 6 years

You know, they really should take a big swing to add an established star who can take them to the next level.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I have 0 belief that Tulsky and Co could not negotiate deals.
The rumor regarding Boeser seems they were trying to get someone cheaper then the prices dictated this deadline year.

That is my belief anyways.

Ok to have your belief but Tulsky was interviewed during the Jets game and definitively said that they couldn’t make any trades due to cap constraints until Rantanen’s deal was completed (Canes have spent to the cap again this year). It unfortunately was completed very late in the window and other more complicated deals were off the table.

Tulsky then went on to say that there were some other deals for players that they wanted to make but by the time that Mikko/his agent came to terms with Dallas the player(s) had already moved. I think Boeser was a possible but not for what Canucks were asking (SN reported the other day that teams felt Canucks price of a first was too high).

There were able to sneak in the Jankowski deal at the closing window but that was a simple draft choice swap.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

You know, they really should take a big swing to add an established star who can take them to the next level.

And they should check with the star beforehand to see if he’d be interested in signing there. But also, they should have the ability to read his mind and know that he’s lying when he claims he is.