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Brind'Amour throws Tulsky under the bus for the Rantanen situation: "And the question is, should we have known that before we attempted to sign him?"

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McFlyingV said:
Yes, an extremely hot start to the season will do that. As you can see his production has been worse in Colorado despite playing with Mackinnon and has been a downgrade on what Rantanen provided. Are you able to make a post without a sense of sarcasm and self righteousness or is this how you talk to everyone in your life?
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What makes you think you deserve any other tone?

Necas has ONE point less than Rantanen this season, is 2 years younger, and is signed to 6.5M for this season and next, and you think this is some sort of downgrade? And he's not the only piece we got..

We're absolutely done here. You're welcome to reply to this post but don't expect anything further from me.
 
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McFlyingV said:
You don't know the value of it and neither do I. If they went out this summer or next year and made some massive trade with those two 1sts for a piece better than Necas then you'd be sitting here eating your crow looking like an idiot for being so smug in this thread.
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Ya, I think they accidentally did very well but the optics are terrible.

a mangy Meowth said:
What makes you think you deserve any other tone?

Necas has ONE point less than Rantanen this season, is 2 years younger, and is signed to 6.5M for this season and next, and you think this is some sort of downgrade? And he's not the only piece we got..

We're absolutely done here. You're welcome to reply to this post but don't expect anything further from me.
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You tell ‘em, Meowth! That’s right!

Most interesting trade situation of recent memory. Feels like it maybe shook out in a way that oddly works for all parties. Mistakes were made, new opportunities arise.
 
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a mangy Meowth said:
Yeah it only arguably cost them an entire season+ of contention

And he absolutely would, by the way, or at least very close to it.
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I'll reply with the second part of my post that you didn't quote regarding contention.

In the end they are right back where they were before the trade, pretty much a lock to make the playoffs, will likely be the favorite in round 1 and a long shot to win the cup (spare me the odds makers) with some questionable D and goal-tending and a putrid power play. That, by the way, neither Necas or Rantenan were helping with since the new year. And they continue to build towards the future which has been the strategy from day 1 under Dundon.
 
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a mangy Meowth said:
Yeah it only arguably cost them an entire season+ of contention

And he absolutely would, by the way, or at least very close to it.
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Do you understand the Necas chain of events? He was out of Carolina at the end of the season. He was disgruntled he wasn’t used better. He crushed the worlds and his Dad went public with complaints about the organization. The organization publicly went back after his Dad. That’s bad. They had a trade lined up with Cbus for the 4th overall pick but Necas wouldn’t extend so it didn’t happen. Necas and his so said goodbye publicly to the Raleigh area on Instagram. The bridge was burnt.

Then because the right deal wasn’t there the team and the agent intentionally made a trade friendly contract that was short term that would allow them to trade them as soon as they found the right option.

He blew up in the early season then cooled off and went right back to being his normal self. He’s always neutralized in the playoffs 5v5 because everyone knows he’s going to do it all himself on the second line so they chase him down early and he doesn’t do a lot.

Necas was moving the first chance they got something they like. I think it’s fair to say he was unlikely to make it through this season with us. This was always going to happen.

I don’t think for a second Stankhoven will replace Necas’ potential numbers. He already was playing how you play in the system. This whole “we threw our whole season away” is just pure crap. We were always going to move Necas and we’re clearly not a worse team for it.
I personally do and will miss him. You seem possessed with this notion that the sky is falling for Carolina and its fans and you need to rub our noses in it. You seem completely flabbergasted that we aren’t calling for heads.

We aren’t. This was never our year and if you go to the Canes board off season threads you’d see almost every one of us accepting we’re taking a step back this year with or without a Necas. You can’t lose what we lost and not. We appreciate Tulsky went for it, and we accept his reasons. Most of us would have him avoid rentals but we want better players. Gotta get them somewhere.
 
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Nikishin al Gaib said:
Because his Instagram influencer girlfriend needed taller buildings with brighter lights, apparently
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Why do people keep posting this? I checked out her Instagram after everyone said she wants to be some influencer.. and there is like barely any posts on her page. Certainly seems like made up BS from Canes fans.
 
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It’s just confusing on the direction of their team.

Are they contending with the current core?

Are they rebuilding?

Or both simultaneously. And what’s the success rate of winning a cup while trying to do both.

Call me insane but simply being ‘a contender’ over a sustained number of years is a waste of time. Winning a cup is the ONLY thing that matters. If you’re going to go all-in then do it.
 
The Gr8 Dane said:
Something I noticed is that Carolina Hurricane fans definitely have some of the strongest paragraph/60 stats on the site.

They can really type up a storm (no pun intended)
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Probably because there's routinely a dumptruck of misinformation and bullshit being spewed about this franchise on HFB, and we are getting quite adept at debunking it
 
Joe Sakic said:
It’s just confusing on the direction of their team.

Are they contending with the current core?

Are they rebuilding?

Or both simultaneously. And what’s the success rate of winning a cup while trying to do both.

Call me insane but simply being ‘a contender’ over a sustained number of years is a waste of time. Winning a cup is the ONLY thing that matters. If you’re going to go all-in then do it.
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Dundon is on record as saying being a contender consistently is better than going all in for a smaller window. Would you rather have 4 15% chances to win the Cup, or 8 10% chances. Etc. Opinions may vary about the approach but the math checks out at the very least. The fact that only 8 out of 36 Presidents Trophy winners have won the Cup (and none since 12-13 Blackhawks) lends credence to the notion that it’s more important to consistently be around it than it is to be the absolutely best team in the league for a smaller window.

The Gr8 Dane said:
Something I noticed is that Carolina Hurricane fans definitely have some of the strongest paragraph/60 stats on the site.

They can really type up a storm (no pun intended)
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Come to our boards sometime - it’s fun and way different than “lol Leafs suck”. We have actual thoughts sometimes and enjoy exchanging ideas with each other and reading what our fellow fans write!

E.g. @bleedgreen knows his stuff. When he types, I read!
 
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I just don’t understand why Carolina would take a futures based package (without immediate deals in place to flip the assets) over keeping Rantanen for a cup run
 
tarheelhockey said:
Above these words there is a small red arrow. Click it and you will see another post with a small red arrow.

Do this a total of six times.
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Do you know the difference between fact and fiction? You are quoting and referencing some made up fantasy.

Provide me with some facts that she is an influencer, provide me with some facts that she is the reason Carolina was not chosen.

The Canes fan base can't just make up fake stories and then run with it.
 
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Joe Sakic said:
It’s just confusing on the direction of their team.

Are they contending with the current core?

Are they rebuilding?

Or both simultaneously. And what’s the success rate of winning a cup while trying to do both.

Call me insane but simply being ‘a contender’ over a sustained number of years is a waste of time. Winning a cup is the ONLY thing that matters. If you’re going to go all-in then do it.
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Sometimes teams put it together and go on a run after a long period of contention or in a weaker year.

The Blues and Caps are a good example of that, two teams that were good for a while but did nothing spectacular in the playoffs all of a sudden winning a cup.

Anyways the rebuild and bottom out route isn't a guaranteed either, the Sabers show us that and the Oilers before McDavid were just that a perpetual rebuild.

The Canes are a good team with imperfect perimeters doing their best.
 
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MrHeiskanen said:
Do you know the difference between fact and fiction? You are quoting and referencing some made up fantasy.

Provide me with some facts that she is an influencer, provide me with some facts that she is the reason Carolina was not chosen.

The Canes fan base can't just make up fake stories and then run with it.
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If you read more carefully, you’ll notice that I responded only to the logic behind the post I quoted.

I’m multiple degrees of separation from the claim you’re referencing. So no, I don’t particularly feel accountable to provide you with a courtroom defense of a post I didn’t write. If that is very important to you, go find the right person to fulfill your demands.
 
MMC said:
I just don’t understand why Carolina would take a futures based package (without immediate deals in place to flip the assets) over keeping Rantanen for a cup run
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Because even with Rantanen on the team there are frankly too many holes to be a serious contender this year. The defense is iffy, the goal-tending is questionable at times and the PP since the new year is beyond putrid. And that was a PP that had Necas or Rantanen on it for long stretches.

If he had at least looked serviceable they likely would have kept him for the playoff run but he was clearly not fitting the team. And it sounds like they had deals in place to use those assets but ran out of time at the deadline.
 
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Joe Sakic said:
It’s just confusing on the direction of their team.

Are they contending with the current core?

Are they rebuilding?

Or both simultaneously. And what’s the success rate of winning a cup while trying to do both.

Call me insane but simply being ‘a contender’ over a sustained number of years is a waste of time. Winning a cup is the ONLY thing that matters. If you’re going to go all-in then do it.
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As a fan, sure. As an owner, reliable playoff revenue certainly has its benefits.

Tulsky's thought process seems pretty obvious here. He traded for Rantanen with the intent to throw enough money at him to change his mind, if it works they're all-in and set up for the future.

Even with Rantanen, are they better than Florida/Dallas/Colorado? Probably not. Losing in round 2 and Rantanen signing somewhere else would be a disaster and probably worst case scenario, so they pivoted and collected assets that give them flexibility future and a solid player.
 
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