Wait, they traded Necas who was their best player for a player that never committed to an extension and didn’t even express desire to play for them?
Worst GM move of the decade ?
Worst GM move of the decade ?
Brind'Amour throws Tlusty under the bus for the Rantanen situation: "And the question is, should we have known that before we attempted to sign him?"
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jetsforever
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Who are you arguing against? Neither Rod nor I refuted that.
He's upset because the only guy they offered enough money to is the guy that didn't want to stay, and they should have known he didn't want to stay to begin with.
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Yeah, it would have been a much more difficult decision for the Canes if he put up a PPG and still claimed he wouldn’t re-sign. Then they would have actually had to make a tough decision whether to keep him or not for the playoff run. But with how he was playing? Easiest decision to move him.
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Again, catch up on the situation before making any statements. During negotiations, the Avalanche asked Rantanen/his agent if he would be willing to sign a new deal in Carolina. Rantanen/his agent believed this to be a negotiation tactic and told them “Yes, we’ll sign in Carolina if traded there.” The Avalanche passed this info to Carolina. And the trade is made.
How, exactly, was Carolina supposed to know “he didn’t want to stay to begin with” when he literally says otherwise?
Okay, so that may be the case. But what if Tulsky thought to himself, "Screw it...we're going all in for a Cup this year, and the chance we'll get to trade for a Rantanen-type as a rental may not come around again or for a long time."
The only downside to that would be having a sulking Rantanen who dogs it out there. But that would only be on him, and a testament of him for other teams to see heading into free agency.
Tulsky took a risk...a very very very good one because I'd say everyone was thinking that: a) they were shocked that Rantanen was traded/acquired; and b) the Hurricanes won the deal. It went sideways, fast, he recalibrated, and came out of it just fine. GMs like that who make a mistake and rectify it earn more of my respect.
The only downside to that would be having a sulking Rantanen who dogs it out there. But that would only be on him, and a testament of him for other teams to see heading into free agency.
Tulsky took a risk...a very very very good one because I'd say everyone was thinking that: a) they were shocked that Rantanen was traded/acquired; and b) the Hurricanes won the deal. It went sideways, fast, he recalibrated, and came out of it just fine. GMs like that who make a mistake and rectify it earn more of my respect.
...Rod da Bod might be regretting his decision to stay in Carolina...
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Just got word from an undisclosed source who spoke to Fred. His spirit is shattered I'm hearing.
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I’m laughing at the scientist part. Admirable but absolutely hilarious and not surprisingRod should ask the real questions. Like why is nobody sure about what year Tulsky was born?
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Too many people on this board prefer assets, picks and prospects vs winning and good players now.
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Canes are surprised Rantanen isnt’t a grinder and doesn’t like to play dump and chase?
Even if he would have willing to sign, the few games showed him there is no real chemistry and he didn’t want to play that kind of hockey for the next 8 years. That’s why he was talking about fit and why he would have preferred franchises like the Leafs or the Oilers…kinda toxic in many ways.
Almost no home games, the 4 nations break and a bad stretch for both for sure didn’t help him to be convinced to sign.
Even if he would have willing to sign, the few games showed him there is no real chemistry and he didn’t want to play that kind of hockey for the next 8 years. That’s why he was talking about fit and why he would have preferred franchises like the Leafs or the Oilers…kinda toxic in many ways.
Almost no home games, the 4 nations break and a bad stretch for both for sure didn’t help him to be convinced to sign.
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Friedman has come out and said the Canes received an indication from either the Avs or the players camp that he was interested in signing with the Canes - which is presumably why we felt comfortable trying.
The bottom of THAT story is relevant here. RBA has been frustrated the whole time about losing players and this past summer was the biggest standout that way as he was clearly upset. So this more about the whole thing than about this particular guy to me, which is understandable. A coach is going to be upset when players walk and the team doesn’t build the team exactly how he would - to the point of needing some time to understand the contracts didn’t work.
I didn’t hear a “slam”. I’m glad he said it because over the years I agree with his frustration at times. I think the team works too hard to make sure they don’t give a player a cent more than they think they should, but im a fan sitting on a couch. Easy for me to say.
People want to hate the Canes. Or Dundon. For whatever reason so when anything like this comes out they jump all over this.
This happens with your team too.
The bottom of THAT story is relevant here. RBA has been frustrated the whole time about losing players and this past summer was the biggest standout that way as he was clearly upset. So this more about the whole thing than about this particular guy to me, which is understandable. A coach is going to be upset when players walk and the team doesn’t build the team exactly how he would - to the point of needing some time to understand the contracts didn’t work.
I didn’t hear a “slam”. I’m glad he said it because over the years I agree with his frustration at times. I think the team works too hard to make sure they don’t give a player a cent more than they think they should, but im a fan sitting on a couch. Easy for me to say.
People want to hate the Canes. Or Dundon. For whatever reason so when anything like this comes out they jump all over this.
This happens with your team too.
Rod Brind'Amour is old school. It doesn't surprise me that he may not mesh all that well with his highly-educated, analytics-driven GM.
Jeff O'Neill had a comment a while ago on Overdrive where he basically said, "I had a coach tell me that every day, a guy from the team's analytics department comes down and gives him a nice folder with a report in it. And every day, he politely says thank you, and when the guy leaves the room, he throws it right in the dust bin."
Now I have a hunch at who that coach might me...
Jeff O'Neill had a comment a while ago on Overdrive where he basically said, "I had a coach tell me that every day, a guy from the team's analytics department comes down and gives him a nice folder with a report in it. And every day, he politely says thank you, and when the guy leaves the room, he throws it right in the dust bin."
Now I have a hunch at who that coach might me...
Pssssh, as the old saying goes, to all you haters:
Let he who has not traded for a star player on an expiring contract, only to realize they won’t sign for you, and for you to have to immediately backtrack, throw the first stone!
Let he who has not traded for a star player on an expiring contract, only to realize they won’t sign for you, and for you to have to immediately backtrack, throw the first stone!
Highly educated =/ smart
Something something hubris
Nah we have never seen that with highly educated analytics driven front office folk before have we
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What else is he hiding?Rod should ask the real questions. Like why is nobody sure about what year Tulsky was born?
This guy went to the Kyke Dubas school of Play Station General Managing
bleedgreen
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This is crap. Rants has had a questionable year by most that have watched him in terms of effort and many who follow the Avs have noted some decline. He didn’t play confused or not buying in with the Canes - he really just mailed in the effort. He was annoyed he was there. Don’t try to blame the system. The forwards aren’t restrained in the system once they’re in the zone. They’re expected to forecheck aggressively and force the d - that’s really it. There’s no emphasis on taking away creativity for simple choices in the zone. TT and Aho never played once like they were hampered. Necas free lanced for years.
Rants didn’t play hard. He wouldn’t take the puck to the net and repeatedly forced passes that weren’t there to teammates when RBA would want him to shoot exactly like he did with the Avs.
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Eh, not everyone. Hindsight is 20/20, but Rants lack of motivation has been apparent for some Avs fans for awhile. Case in point
This is just the latest saga that was likely kept hidden behind closed doors in Colorado. His first contract was supposedly tough to negotiate and then Lekhonen's dad called Mikko out for his lack of drive.
Dallas now gets to benefit from his skills, we'll see if he ages we'll.
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So your genius plan is for the Avs to sign and trade him to Carolina?
Thus costing Carolina more assets (since a signed Rantanen would be worth more than Necas) and having the same issue of Rantanen not wanting to play in Carolina? Except even worse, since he would have signed the contract assuming he’d stay in Colorado.
And this assumes Rantanen’s new contract wouldn’t have a NMC, which it almost assuredly would.
Amazing.
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