Brind'Amour throws Tlusty under the bus for the Rantanen situation: "And the question is, should we have known that before we attempted to sign him?"

[Gjman2019]

Stankoven isn't anywhere near Necas level for the next two years. And those two years matter a lot when Slavin is 30, Staal is 35, Andersen is 35.

Not only that but the draft picks won't be helping anytime soon either.....

Maybe they package some of those picks this summer for a win now player though........

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Stankoven isn't anywhere near Necas level for the next two years. And those two years matter a lot when Slavin is 30, Staal is 35, Andersen is 35.

No one said he was on Necas’ level. But he does fit the system better than Necas did, and he’ll hit RFA in 2026 rather than UFA as Necas will. And that, too, is important for contenders.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Why is Necas and Drury for Stankoven and draft capital so bad

Took a risk, didn’t pay off, immediately recognized it- and did their best to correct course.

That is life. Take calculated risks when you can, then make as best decisions as you can with the information you had at the time. Think he did a fine job.

Feel the same, fumbled a big trade but made a pretty nice recovery & managed to mess with the Avs a bit sending him back to Dallas as the last laugh

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Not only that but the draft picks won't be helping anytime soon either.....

Maybe they package some of those picks this summer for a win now player though........

They tried to do it at the deadline, but the Rantanen deal took too long to go through, so they ran out of time.

 

[benfranklin]

Rod's seen it now with two idiot GM's. Literally just did the same thing with Guentzel almost.

 

[Gjman2019]

They tried to do it at the deadline, but the Rantanen deal took too long to go through, so they ran out of time.

There was talk about the deal close to being done the night before the deadline (granted it was late at night i think)........And you run out of time ?

I'm not privy to how it all works behind the scenes but that feels so amateurish....

 

[614 CBJ]

Shocked Brind'Amour made this public, even though it's obvious.

Not sure how they work together going forward

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Why is Necas and Drury for Stankoven and draft capital so bad

Took a risk, didn’t pay off, immediately recognized it- and did their best to correct course.

That is life. Take calculated risks when you can, then make as best decisions as you can with the information you had at the time. Think he did a fine job.

I agree. They came out of this a lot better than they could have.

 

[RedHawkDown]

They turned

Necas
Drury
2nd
4th

into

Stankoven
1st
1st
3rd
3rd

That’s pretty good IMO. Not sure they really lost out much.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think Carolina did well with their situation.

Stankoven is going to be a first line winger. They also got two firsts and two thirds. They started out with Necas and turned that into Stankoven, 2 1's and 2 3's. They also in the meantime got one of the league's better forwards to play for them during that span. I guess they gave up Drury and a 2nd also, but to me getting basically the equivalent of Stankoven, a 1, and a 2 is a good deal for Necas.

I don't really get why Rantanen's family didn't like Carolina. I would totally get it if he was turned off by that dreadful dressing room or how cheap the owner is, but his family didn't like Carolina but likes Dallas? Seems pretty similar to me for what Rantanen, a foreigner to the USA, would likely believe ("Southern USA and all the cliches that come with that").

I should say though that I have no problem with Rantanen not wanting to sign with Carolina, even if I don't totally get the sequence of events. He was a UFA. No one should've expected he'd sign with a random team he was traded to. If he wanted to call the shots and only field offers from four teams, who can blame him? He was a UFA in July, and could've done that in July, so either meet his demands now or he was waiting until July.

 

[Avs2022]

He doesn't even

I think Carolina did well with their situation.

Stankoven is going to be a first line winger. They also got two firsts and two thirds. They started out with Necas and turned that into Stankoven, 2 1's and 2 3's. They also in the meantime got one of the league's better forwards to play for them during that span. I guess they gave up Drury and a 2nd also, but to me getting basically the equivalent of Stankoven, a 1, and a 2 is a good deal for Necas.

I don't really get why Rantanen's family didn't like Carolina. I would totally get it if he was turned off by that dreadful dressing room or how cheap the owner is, but his family didn't like Carolina but likes Dallas? Seems pretty similar to me for what Rantanen, a foreigner to the USA, would likely believe ("Southern USA and all the cliches that come with that").

I should say though that I have no problem with Rantanen not wanting to sign with Carolina, even if I don't totally get the sequence of events. He was a UFA. No one should've expected he'd sign with a random team he was traded to. If he wanted to call the shots and only field offers from four teams, who can blame him? He was a UFA in July, and could've done that in July, so either meet his demands now or he was waiting until July.

I think Carolina did well with their situation.

Stankoven is going to be a first line winger. They also got two firsts and two thirds. They started out with Necas and turned that into Stankoven, 2 1's and 2 3's. They also in the meantime got one of the league's better forwards to play for them during that span. I guess they gave up Drury and a 2nd also, but to me getting basically the equivalent of Stankoven, a 1, and a 2 is a good deal for Necas.

I don't really get why Rantanen's family didn't like Carolina. I would totally get it if he was turned off by that dreadful dressing room or how cheap the owner is, but his family didn't like Carolina but likes Dallas? Seems pretty similar to me for what Rantanen, a foreigner to the USA, would likely believe ("Southern USA and all the cliches that come with that").

I should say though that I have no problem with Rantanen not wanting to sign with Carolina, even if I don't totally get the sequence of events. He was a UFA. No one should've expected he'd sign with a random team he was traded to. If he wanted to call the shots and only field offers from four teams, who can blame him? He was a UFA in July, and could've done that in July, so either meet his demands now or he was waiting until July.

He doesn't even have a family yet. Just a girlfriend.

 

[Grigowski]

I mean Carolina basically turned Necas into Stankoven, 2 firsts and a second. I wish my GM would “lose” these kinds of deals more often.

Yeah, but Carolina wants to play for a cup, not trade away 2 damn good wingers and a good depth piece for Logan Stankoven and pics in the end....They want to win now. And they did nothing with those picks at the TDL to boost their squad.

And i think Brind'Amour sees it the same way....

should say though that I have no problem with Rantanen not wanting to sign with Carolina, even if I don't totally get the sequence of events. He was a UFA. No one should've expected he'd sign with a random team he was traded to. If he wanted to call the shots and only field offers from four teams, who can blame him? He was a UFA in July, and could've done that in July, so either meet his demands now or he was waiting until July.

The main question is:
Did Rantanen tell them he would consider to sign in Carolina or did he tell them straight he doesnt want to be on this team..... So either he played them, or Tulsky is naiv to the bones.

 

[FlameChampion]

Yeah, but Carolina wants to play for a cup, not trade away 2 damn good wingers and a good depth piece for Logan Stankoven and pics in the end....They want to win now. And they did nothing with those picks at the TDL to boost their squad.

And i think Brind'Amour sees it the same way....

The main question is:
Did Rantanen tell them he would consider to sign in Carolina or did he tell them straight he doesnt want to be on this team..... So either he played them, or Tulsky is naiv to the bones.

Oh for sure. Yeah they needed to get the trade done sooner to use those picks.

 

[Quinning]

If anything, I respect the hell out of their GM for getting that deal done and keeping it internal.

Canucks would have gone to the media and said "We traded for Rantanen and he doesn't want to sign here. He actually only wants to sign with four teams....those teams are w x y z. But we're going to talk to all the teams to see what the offers are. Tomorrow, at 10:52am PST."

 

[614 CBJ]

They turned

Necas
Drury
2nd
4th

into

Stankoven
1st
1st
3rd
3rd

That’s pretty good IMO. Not sure they really lost out much.

Issue is they are built to win now. not in 5 or 6 years

 

[Winston Wolf]

I think Carolina did well with their situation.

Stankoven is going to be a first line winger. They also got two firsts and two thirds. They started out with Necas and turned that into Stankoven, 2 1's and 2 3's. They also in the meantime got one of the league's better forwards to play for them during that span. I guess they gave up Drury and a 2nd also, but to me getting basically the equivalent of Stankoven, a 1, and a 2 is a good deal for Necas.

I don't really get why Rantanen's family didn't like Carolina. I would totally get it if he was turned off by that dreadful dressing room or how cheap the owner is, but his family didn't like Carolina but likes Dallas? Seems pretty similar to me for what Rantanen, a foreigner to the USA, would likely believe ("Southern USA and all the cliches that come with that").

I should say though that I have no problem with Rantanen not wanting to sign with Carolina, even if I don't totally get the sequence of events. He was a UFA. No one should've expected he'd sign with a random team he was traded to. If he wanted to call the shots and only field offers from four teams, who can blame him? He was a UFA in July, and could've done that in July, so either meet his demands now or he was waiting until July.

DFW metro is huge and has 8M+ people and Raleigh's metro is around 1.5M. Not similar at all.

If his girlfriend was involved in the decision, it wouldn't be surprising for a hockey wife type to want to live in a major city, which Dallas checks the box on. Dallas has a lot more to offer people with tons of money.

If she's going to Europe often, flying direct from DFW is way easier than flying from Raleigh and probably having to stop in CLT or somewhere else as well. Lots of reasons why guys with families would also choose Raleigh over lots of other places, but the two aren't even close.

Rantanen has also played 10+ seasons in the Central Division, so I'm pretty sure he has a good feel by now whether he likes Dallas or not.

Or maybe Rantanen just has good taste and prefers brisket over whole hog BBQ.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There was talk about the deal close to being done the night before the deadline (granted it was late at night i think)........And you run out of time ?

I'm not privy to how it all works behind the scenes but that feels so amateurish....

There was also talk the morning of the TDL that the deal was totally dead because Rantanen refused to sign the Dallas offer.

Then it revived somewhere around mid-day heading down the stretch, and wasn’t a done deal until the 11th hour.

Bear in mind this also isn’t about the Canes being unable to make “a” late trade. They could still make “a” late trade as they did with Jankowsko. The issue is that they had a ton of cap tied up during the hours when the big names were moving, so they had to sit out for the guys they were really interested in. By the time you get down to the final hour or so, they’re having to re-assess the situation on the market, find out where other GMs stand on the remaining targets, etc. It’s like they can pre-load a trade… the market is dynamic and everyone’s talking to everyone else throughout the day. When you arrive at the very end of the process and the guys still available are your Plan C and the other GMs are all playing last-minute hardball, it’s probably not gonna happen.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

It’s a real shame that Carolina continues to take these huge L’s lmao

We went a decade+ without sniffing the playoffs under a cheap owner who neglected the roster.

These are good times.

 

[Number8]

Shocked Brind'Amour made this public, even though it's obvious.

Not sure how they work together going forward

This is the real story here. Doesn’t matter who did what when re the player. He’s Dallas.

B’A just made it something that is going to be addressed somehow by CAR owners. Public rift between Coach and GM isn’t sustainable.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

Too many people on this board prefer assets, picks and prospects vs winning and good players now.

Rantanen was not a good player for us. He made the decision to part ways quite easy (and lost a lot of my respect in the process).

I’m sure he’ll sleep fine.

 

[Stephen]

The only thing that makes this situation really unique is the Carolina Hurricanes chose to re-sell Rantanen at the deadline. I think a lot of teams would have just accepted the rental and taken a hard run at the cup. This situation is weird where they reloaded on a bunch of futures that didn't help them this year.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

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This man is innocent!

Unless we're taking dick pics.

 

[tarheelhockey]

DFW metro is huge and has 8M+ people and Raleigh's metro is around 1.5M. Not similar at all.

If his girlfriend was involved in the decision, it wouldn't be surprising for a hockey wife type to want to live in a major city, which Dallas checks the box on. Dallas has a lot more to offer people with tons of money.

If she's going to Europe often, flying direct from DFW is way easier than flying from Raleigh and probably having to stop in CLT or somewhere else as well. Lots of reasons why guys with families would also choose Raleigh over lots of other places, but the two aren't even close.

Rantanen has also played 10+ seasons in the Central Division, so I'm pretty sure he has a good feel by now whether he likes Dallas or not.

Or maybe Rantanen just has good taste and prefers brisket over whole hog BBQ.

I agree with your point here, but a couple of nitpicky notes:

- Better to use Combined Statistical Area numbers rather than Metro when comparing places to Raleigh. For whatever inane reason, Raleigh’s metro is split in half so that it doesn’t include Durham (pop 608K) and others making it look some 40% smaller than it really is. CSA has Dallas at 8.6M and Raleigh at 2.3M, which is a truer impression of their sizes.

- DFW has a few more international nonstops than RDU, but none of them are to “hockey countries”. If you’re an NHL’er flying from either city, you will most likely lay over in London or Paris and then on to your destination in Finland or Sweden or wherever. And the first leg will be 3 hours longer if flying from Dallas.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The only thing that makes this situation really unique is the Carolina Hurricanes chose to re-sell Rantanen at the deadline. I think a lot of teams would have just accepted the rental and taken a hard run at the cup. This situation is weird where they reloaded on a bunch of futures that didn't help them this year.

This year was always seen as a retooling year anyway. This past offseason, the contracts of Pesce, Skjei, Teravanien and a few other long-term Canes players ended. This year, Burns and Orlov’s contract ends. Next year is the year that’s long been projected for Nikishin to make the jump over. So the expectation going into this year was “take a step back, retool, and begin the push again next year.”

Which is why the Rantanen trade didn’t make much sense at the time, but now knowing they were working off false information, it makes more sense.

 

[Winston Wolf]

I agree with your point here, but a couple of nitpicky notes:

- Better to use Combined Statistical Area numbers rather than Metro when comparing places to Raleigh. For whatever inane reason, Raleigh’s metro is split in half so that it doesn’t include Durham (pop 608K) and others making it look some 40% smaller than it really is. CSA has Dallas at 8.6M and Raleigh at 2.3M, which is a truer impression of their sizes.

- DFW has a few more international nonstops than RDU, but none of them are to “hockey countries”. If you’re an NHL’er flying from either city, you will most likely lay over in London or Paris and then on to your destination in Finland or Sweden or wherever. And the first leg will be 3 hours longer if flying from Dallas.

I actually checked before and they do have direct flights from DFW to Helsinki.