Confirmed with Link: Brind'Amour named head coach

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Maybe, but all of that evidence is nothing but circumstantial. Some counterpoints:

- The PP sucks because we don't have talented players.
- The forwards suck because we have 2-3 talented forwards and Bill Peters played a systems which didn't create a lot of offense.
- Usually guys that are tossed around are guys that are assistant coaches for GOOD teams and the Canes haven't been a good team so of course nobody is talking about Rod.

I think the point is none of us know for sure what type of job he did as an assistant coach, because an assistant's job is to implement what the head coach says and a coach is many times, only as good as his players.

I'm not saying this to justify the choice of Rod as a coach though, just that we don't know if he was a good or bad assistant.

That’s pretty much the point of my post. Circumstantial evidence, but there’s really nothing “circumstantially good” about it. We have shreds of evidence, but they are all “bad” shreds, or at least not good ones.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Here’s my take:

It’s not about the lack of experience. Everyone’s a first time HC at some point, and he’s been an assistant for several years.

It’s not about being a hometown favorite - in the grand scheme of things that doesn’t really matter.


It’s about the fact that all the evidence points to the fact that Brind’Amour wasn’t even good at his assistant coaching job. Every year there’s a few assistants and AHL coaches whose names get tossed around. Take Housley last year. However much you think he played a part, his defense in Nashville was spectacular. And his name was tossed around all offseason as a future HC for any number of teams. Same with Muller a few years back.

No one was talking about Rod, because no one thinks he was all that good. In fact, most on these boards (as little visibility as we have into these matters) wanted him “re-positioned” a la Francis. The PP sucked, the forwards sucked.


Now I’m going to give it a chance, solely because as NHL fans it is extraordinarily difficult to determine who’s a good coach and who’s not (Peters? Vignieault? No one knows). Maybe Brind’Amour is fantastic, and simply was held back by Peters, who really knows? This seems like a bad move, but it’s based on a few shreds of evidence in an area that’s difficult to judge in the first place.




Tl;dr I think this is a bad move, but I’ll withhold judgment bc what the hell do I know?

To me the strangest thing about all of this is Dundon's very clearly-stated philosophy that failure is unacceptable, and when you fail then you necessarily need to address everything you did, top-to-bottom. That justified firing Francis, and it justified running Peters out of town. The results weren't good enough. Failure is unacceptable. Disruption is necessary to move forward.

Then he hires Brind'Amour, who has assistant-coached this team to zero playoff seasons since 2011, was development coach during a period that we had virtually no development success, and oversaw one of the worst power plays in the NHL over the past several seasons. He has literally nothing on his coaching record BUT failure, why are we putting him in charge if failure is not an option?

 

[Lucky Lindy]

Atleast they know how to tamper the optimism from the draft lottery.

 

[Svechhammer]

People also said that Doug Pederson was the worst NFL head coach 2 years ago and said he was the least qualified head coach they've seen in 30+ years.

At the end of the day, people don't know shit about this. Spouting off about Brindy's qualifications, or lack thereof, is nothing more than pissing into a strong headwind. You could be right, you could be wrong, you won't know for a while, but either way you're still covered in piss.

 

[GoldiFox]

Or maybe, he just wasn't interested in leaving Raleigh????

I'm not sure I love the move but I'm also fairly certain that no one hates losing much more than him and maybe that is what this team needs.

He’s been a pretty big part of the biggest loser in sports for many years now. I mean the guy was behind the bench, what more can he do to motivate one spot to the right?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

To me the strangest thing about all of this is Dundon's very clearly-stated philosophy that failure is unacceptable, and when you fail then you necessarily need to address everything you did, top-to-bottom. That justified firing Francis, and it justified running Peters out of town. The results weren't good enough. Failure is unacceptable. Disruption is necessary to move forward.

Then he hires Brind'Amour, who has assistant-coached this team to zero playoff seasons since 2011, was development coach during a period that we had virtually no development success, and oversaw one of the worst power plays in the NHL over the past several seasons. He has literally nothing on his coaching record BUT failure, why are we putting him in charge if failure is not an option?

I agree 100% that it’s odd.

But hey it may work out. If it’s an issue with the culture more than with X’s and O’s, Brindy may be the best to fix it.

We’ve all been in toxic work environments, I think if there’s something wrong there it’s more significant than some would contend.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That’s pretty much the point of my post. Circumstantial evidence, but there’s really nothing “circumstantially good” about it. We have shreds of evidence, but they are all “bad” shreds, or at least not good ones.

Meh..I don't really think there are any shreds. "We have crappy players so Rod is a bad assistant coach". "Nobody talks about him as a candidate, because they usually only talk about candidates from good teams so he must be bad."

You are right that there isn't any evidence he's good, but I disagree there are "bad" shreds. IMO, you could have put ANY coach in the position Rod was in and the results would have looked to same.

Like I said, I'm not supporting this move by any means, would have liked to see a more experienced coach. I just don't know anything about Rod's coaching ability though, good or bad.

 

[What the Faulk]

 

[Svechhammer]

He’s been a pretty big part of the biggest loser in sports for many years now. I mean the guy was behind the bench, what more can he do to motivate one spot to the right?

There is a big difference between a head coach getting on your ass than an assistant coach. A head coach can make good on his threats to bench, demote, DNPCD, waive, or trade your ass. The assistant can only do so much.

 

[Lucky Lindy]

Hurricanes Name Rod Brind'Amour as Head Coach

Official. And Waddell new President and GM.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I guess none of this should come as a surprise.

 

[geehaad]

In before the meltdown.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Meh..I don't really think there are any shreds. "We have crappy players so Rod is a bad assistant coach". "Nobody talks about him as a candidate, because they usually only talk about candidates from good teams so he must be bad."

You are right that there isn't any evidence he's good, but I disagree there are "bad" shreds. IMO, you could have put ANY coach in the position Rod was in and the results would have looked to same.

Disagree a little there. I think there are many teams and coaches that turn a team into something greater than the sum of its parts. I don’t think any can argue the forwards were that this year. In fact I’d argue we did the opposite this year.

I mean, if that’s how we are approaching evaluating this, then why is this even thread worthy? If we can put any coaches in any positions and they get the same results, then Dundon shouldn’t be paying more than $150,000 for these guys.

While I agree that there isn’t much to go on, this is a guy who’s been an assistant for several years, and the things he’s been directly responsible for have been bad, and you’d never say “well they got the most out of their horses but they just don’t have the horses.” We haven’t had the horses, but there hasn’t been a ton of overachieving due to coaching either.


You want to hire a guy with literally not a shred of evidence he’s a good coach? Hire me. I’ll do it, and I’ll do it for half of what you paid Peters.

 

[GoldiFox]

There is a big difference between a head coach getting on your ass than an assistant coach. A head coach can make good on his threats to bench, demote, DNPCD, waive, or trade your ass. The assistant can only do so much.

No Head Coach in Dundon’s system will have the unilateral power to demote, waive, or trade a player. If the coach benches a player then he better have an acceptable reason for the council of process.

I don’t believe that Brind’Amour’s ability to motivate has been neutered as an Assistant. If it hasn’t willed the guys to win at this point then it won’t happen once he has a bit more authority.

 

[tarheelhockey]

In before the meltdown.

See post #1.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Well at least they don’t have co-coaches.

 

[hurricure]

Welcome back Handsom Rod. I’m going to give him a shot, wasn’t a fan of the PP but like some have pointed out it may just have been a lack of talent... I’m going to be an optimist this offseason... I think our kids are ready for the next level and the team was tuning Peters out for a while. Sometimes teams ready to make the next step just need a new leader...sure hope this works

 

[sheriff bart]

 

[MinJaBen]

I'm not saying this to justify the choice of Rod as a coach though, just that we don't know if he was a good or bad assistant.

Yeah, but how can anyone know if he was good or bad given those circumstances? Seems like a crap-shoot to me. And the guy making this decisions has been very public about his lack of hockey knowledge within the last 5 months. So either he got real educated real quick, or we are going on wishes and prayers.

 

[What the Faulk]

No Head Coach in Dundon’s system will have the unilateral power to demote, waive, or trade a player. If the coach benches a player then he better have an acceptable reason for the council of process.

I don’t believe that Brind’Amour’s ability to motivate has been neutered as an Assistant. If it hasn’t willed the guys to win at this point then it won’t happen once he has a bit more authority.

At the very least, I hope this Waddell/Brind'amour relationship goes better than Francis/Peters.

 

[sheriff bart]

In before the meltdown.

Too late

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

At the very least, I hope this Waddell/Brind'amour relationship goes better than Francis/Peters.

Well, they both hated the Thrashers...

 

[HisIceness]

I am f***ing livid. Absolutely f***ing livid.

 

[izzy]

why tho

 

[DougieSmash]

"We want new direction for this franchise".

"Brindy, Waddell and Dudley. Yeah, okey.