Brian Boyle

[pld459666]

Winning can change that tune a bit.

don't disagree.

But a 3rd/4th line tweener needs that financial security as they are 3rd and 4th liners for reasons.

generally speaking they are replaceable.

When they have an opportunity to cash in, especially at Boyle's age going to be 30 in December (this could be his last contract depending on length), they need to start looking out for themselves and their families more than giving the team financial flexibility.

If I'm Boyle, I want no less than 4 years at 2.5 and if I can get more, I do it, regardless of team.

Especially if I just won a Cup.

I harbour no ill will to those tweeners that are looking to cash in.

Guys like Callahan? Different story.

Boyle's career earnings is just about 7.7 mil. Callahan has earned almost two and a half times more than that. If there's a guy that should have been willing to provide a discount, it was him.

Not compairing the players. But even if Boye did sign 4 at 2.5 per, his career earnings will still be less than Callahan even if Ryan never played anothed day.

I would offer Boyle 11 over 5 and call it a day.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Not as good or bad as some Ranger fans think.

Good 4th line player

Good penalty killer

Good long reach

Good faceoff man

Willing to block shots

Very poor hands that lead to many turnovers when moving forward

Despite large body often throws checks like he has a egg in his pocket that he does not want to break

Does not hit the brakes often to adjust to puck changing direction. Will usually turn rather than stopping and starting.

Good defender but not likely to ever win a Selke trophy

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Not as good or bad as some Ranger fans think.

Good 4th line player

Good penalty killer

Good long reach

Good faceoff man

Willing to block shots

Very poor hands that lead to many turnovers when moving forward

Despite large body often throws checks like he has a egg in his pocket that he does not want to break

Does not hit the brakes often to adjust to puck changing direction. Will usually turn rather than stopping and starting.

Good defender but not likely to ever win a Selke trophy

Yeah I mean some of your criticisms there are not a big deal for the role he is being used in. As a 4th line LW/C he doesn't need those things. He's also HUGE in the room, well-liked, and a determined player. Very important part of a team.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I would really love if we could bring back Moore, Boyle and Pouliot for a combine $5M annually. Doubt it though, they'll each want $2M+

 

[Holocene]

Not as good or bad as some Ranger fans think.

Good 4th line player

Good penalty killer

Good long reach

Good faceoff man

Willing to block shots

Very poor hands that lead to many turnovers when moving forward

Despite large body often throws checks like he has a egg in his pocket that he does not want to break

Does not hit the brakes often to adjust to puck changing direction. Will usually turn rather than stopping and starting.

Good defender but not likely to ever win a Selke trophy

Personally, I would change a lot of those "goods" to "greats". He is a great 4th liner, great PKer, great shot blocker and great defensive player. Of course he won't win a Selke. You don't get a Selke for just being amazing defensively these days you have to be a 2 way 1-2C who puts up over 60 points.

 

[SA16]

Would not bring him back even though he's had a good year/playoff. Will want too much money and I think it is bad asset management to pay 4th liners >2M. Would rather go cheap and save that money to upgrade elsewhere/have cap room for in season trades.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Would not bring him back even though he's had a good year/playoff. Will want too much money and I think it is bad asset management to pay 4th liners >2M. Would rather go cheap and save that money to upgrade elsewhere/have cap room for in season trades.

Other teams do it all the time and it doesn't affect them negatively (e.g., Boston, Dallas, Detroit, LA, Montreal).

Rolling 4 lines that can be effective has been a very important part of this playoff run, regardless how it ends, I think it's become pretty clear that 4th liners who can play every 4th shift and be top PKers are very valuable to your team. There's no guarantee that we can just replace Boyle's presence on the ice or in the locker room with a cheaper fit, just to save $1M or $1.5M. I actually think it would be bad asset management to let him go at that difference barring some team's ridiculous offer such as 4/$4M. or 4/$3.5.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Other teams do it all the time and it doesn't affect them negatively (e.g., Boston, Dallas, Detroit, LA, Montreal).

Rolling 4 lines that can be effective has been a very important part of this playoff run, regardless how it ends, I think it's become pretty clear that 4th liners who can play every 4th shift and be top PKers are very valuable to your team. There's no guarantee that we can just replace Boyle's presence on the ice or in the locker room with a cheaper fit, just to save $1M or $1.5M. I actually think it would be bad asset management to let him go at that difference barring some team's ridiculous offer such as 4/$4M. or 4/$3.5.

As Ranger fans we have definitely seen that putting together a competent 4th line (and 3rd defensive pair) is harder than it can appear on paper.

 

[True Blue]

I would love to see him back but I think he gets paid big time and I can't blame him.

Pay him. Otherwise, we know what happens. The Rangers spend even more money than that making efforts to replace what he brings over next several years. Add to that what he means to the locker room and that his performance raises a level in the playoffs....Pay him.

No need to mess around good players that are also glue guys. Pay him and Staal market value.

 

[aufheben]

As Ranger fans we have definitely seen that putting together a competent 4th line (and 3rd defensive pair) is harder than it can appear on paper.

And well worth the effort. I don't care what it takes to resign him.

We've witnessed firsthand the immense advantage of having a great 4th line all playoffs long. (And also the disadvantage when the other team has one, i.e. '11-12 Devils).

 

[SA16]

Other teams do it all the time and it doesn't affect them negatively (e.g., Boston, Dallas, Detroit, LA, Montreal).

Rolling 4 lines that can be effective has been a very important part of this playoff run, regardless how it ends, I think it's become pretty clear that 4th liners who can play every 4th shift and be top PKers are very valuable to your team. There's no guarantee that we can just replace Boyle's presence on the ice or in the locker room with a cheaper fit, just to save $1M or $1.5M. I actually think it would be bad asset management to let him go at that difference barring some team's ridiculous offer such as 4/$4M. or 4/$3.5.

I don't know where you see that.

Bruins have Campbell 1.6, Paille 1.3, Thornton 1.1
Kings have Nolan 700k, Clifford 1.2, Lewis 1.5
Red Wings have Cleary 1.7, Glendenning 630k, Andersson? 730k
Not sure who Dallas 4th liners are..I guess Fiddler 1.8 and not sure who else
Montreal has Weise 750k, White 700k, Moen 1.8 (or prust 2.2)?

Every team you mentioned has gone cheap there. The only team that has a 4th liner even possibly over 2 is montreal with prust if you consider him one of their 4th liners.

 

[aufheben]

Ok, White and Moen haven't even been playing, Prust has been awful and could be taken out tomorrow. Meanwhile Boyle is over 77% on face-offs against the Habs, not to mention the hitting, shot blocking, PKing, forechecking, etc.

 

[SA16]

Ok, White and Moen haven't even been playing, Prust has been awful and could be taken out tomorrow. Meanwhile Boyle is over 77% on face-offs against the Habs, not to mention the hitting, shot blocking, PKing, forechecking, etc.

Throughout the year they were their 4th liners...White played 52 games. Moen played 65. Moen had the 9th most games played by MTL forwards this year. White 12th most. Pretty sure that puts them in the regular lineup throughout most of the year. Additionally Boyles 77% in a 2 game sample is not meaningful to his real ability (which is very good but mitigated since he longer plays center).

Boyd Gordon got 3M/year last year to play a very similar role as Boyle (Gordon is marginally better offensively/much better on faceoffs - not sure about defensively). 3M for a 4th liner is ridiculous.

 

[aufheben]

Ok well I'd rather spend money on a guy who's a beast in the playoffs than a couple guys that aren't even good enough to partake. Get it done Slats.

 

[SA16]

Ok well I'd rather spend money on a guy who's a beast in the playoffs than a couple guys that aren't even good enough to partake. Get it done Slats.

If you had a total of 5M remaining to spend and you had option

A. Moore 2.5M, Boyle 2.5M
B. Zucc 4M, Random 4th liner FA or minor leaguer 1M

You would prefer option A? Both of those are very reasonable contract numbers for what these guys might get.

 

[aufheben]

I would trade Dorsett for a draft pick and sign Zucc and Boyle. (Obviously I'd take Zucc and some scrub)

I don't know, we'll see what happens. That would really suck to lose someone like Boyle.

 

[Inferno]

guys are gonna have to take discounts to come back. its that simple.

guys did it to stay on the hawks, if they wanna stay with a championship caliber team, which it appears the Rangers are, then they need to take a discount. if not, then we gotta replace from within.

 

[Pizza]

Pay the man I say.

But you knew I would say that.

Seriously, Boyle has been a rock solid part of our depth. He does so many of the little things that help us win games. Very good in his role.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Pay the man I say.

But you knew I would say that.

Seriously, Boyle has been a rock solid part of our depth. He does so many of the little things that help us win games. Very good in his role.

He is also a big part of the locker room. He's one of the longest tenured Rangers, currently.

 

[Raymones]

Sign him up along with D.Moore. They make up for a very good 4th line. Dorsett and Pouliot are they ones that are expendable IMO.

Not sure I'd go over 2.5 million/year though.

 

[Kokoschka]

I'd go up to 4/2.75, perhaps a little more. Cap is rising as well, so this isn't Brandon Prust 2012. If the youth are pushing for the 4th line spot and you feel Lindbergh, Fasth, who have we can be better in his place, he's still a highly sought after asset at the deadline.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Unfortunately I think we will have to choose between Moore and Boyle, and I think we should pick Boyle as I think we can get him slightly cheaper and he is a much bigger part of the room.

E: Wow, are people seriously advocating paying a 4th liner $2.5M+/year? If that is what it takes I'd go with a 4th line of Carcillo-Lindberg-Fast all day every day.

 

[LannysStach]

Give 'em 8 years and stitch an 'A' on his jersey.

He's also HUGE in the room, well-liked, and a determined player. Very important part of a team.

He is also a big part of the locker room. He's one of the longest tenured Rangers, currently.

All this and Moore. I mean, more.

Heart & soul guy. Absorbs bullets. Quality character. Crucial ingredient to the gelling of the team.

Keep the Giants in New York.

 

[Oak]

Tin foil boyle has grown into a man. What a coincidence that he's having his best year when his contract is up. Regardless Id love to keep him, but as Inferno said, he will need to take a discount if he wants to stay part of the team.

 

[schabadoo]

tin foil boyle has grown into a man. what a coincidence that he's having his best year when his contract is up. regardless id love to keep him, but as inferno said, he will need to take a discount if he wants to stay part of the team.

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