TSN: Brendan Shanahan named President of Toronto Maple Leafs

[thewave]

Just break the team down on a player by player basis.

The easy way pros and cons method works wonders but I will just point the key.

Kessel elite
Bernier elite
Lupul aging talent injury concerns
JVR talented
Kadri talented
Bozak mediocrity personified
Raymond 1 way game
Clarkson devoid of skill
Orr shadow of his former self
McC no offense
McL no skill
Bolland hard working injury prone
Kule inconsistent offense
Bodie hard working plug
Ashton hard working no results
D' hard working little results

Dion clutch failure
Gunner consistent overall
Gleason sturdy
Ranger sturdy with lapses
Gardiner hot cold talented
Rielly elite potential
Franson devoid of defensive skill
Reimer rattled ready to go.

There you have the team you be the judge on what needs changed.

 

[Devils Trap]

They don't play a boring brand of hockey anymore. And to the people who claims that he's bad with young players, he doesn't have much to work with. Like really ? I don't blame him for benching jacobsen, tedenby and etc. Adam Henrique and Jon Merill are really great players under Pete Deboer

Because Henrique and Merrill take ZERO risks. If you have a young player who sucks at something (normally an offensive D or a highly skilled forward who cant play D) they will not play more then 12 minutes a night if they play at all. Take Morgan Reilly for instance, if he makes 1 mistake in the game he will not see the ice again that game, and probably for the next few games. Deboer will defer to safer type Dman. Young players are scared to play for him ( there were some quotes from Panther players when he left there... They were scared to make mistakes cause they knew it was to the bench if they did. The big problem is you have players like Gelinas, Larsson, Josefson, Loktionov who had ZERO clue what Deboer wanted him to improve. They had no idea why they were benched. There were quotes like this saying they just didnt know why they were sat)

Creativity is something that is not allowed in the Devils system.(Hench why Tedenby and Loktionov never got a chance) Thats why our possession stats are so high. Our offense goes something like this.

Dump, forecheck , retain possession , cycle, back to the point, shot. Rinse and repeat. Because of this, Deboer wants players who forecheck hard. (Soo he picks up Sestito and Sislo over Josefson on a nightly basis, even when Josefson easily is the better player when he plays) He loves his grinders, soo typical 4th liners and AHL Fodder will play over your young talent.

We dont ever make the hard passes hence the high possession numbers.

 

[cack]

You're implying Leaf fans have the attention span of a brook trout..see a shiny new object and forget about it all...

I think we all know what the Leafs haven't done for the last 47 years, I think we all know about how sad the finishes have been the last 3 years... I doubt ANYONE has a warm fuzzy feeling inside all of a sudden because Shanny was hired.

Its as simple as TL seeing an opportunity and he took it. Just like there is no second shooter on the grassy knoll, there is no Alien in Area 51.. there is no Leaf conspiracy to distract our attention away from the poor finish.

Tl went after a guy who is well connected, its that simple.

Executives hiring people to insulate themselves in a hierarchy is not comparable to what you might have watched on Discovery channel last week.

 

[Devils Trap]

Kadri (Unless he way more physical then I know, and plays a better 2 way game then I think he does) will not play much under Deboer

Young Dmen - Reilly, Gardiner will have trouble playing under Deboer

McLaren, Orr, Mcclement will play alot under Deboer. Kulemin and Clarkson will probably play top 6 under Deboer

 

[Faltorvo]

Kadri (Unless he way more physical then I know, and plays a better 2 way game then I think he does) will not play much under Deboer

Young Dmen - Reilly, Gardiner will have trouble playing under Deboer

McLaren, Orr, Mcclement will play alot under Deboer. Kulemin and Clarkson will probably play top 6 under Deboer

ohhh, he ganna tick off all the kiddies that luvs the flashy dashy stuffs.

 

[calcal798]

Kadri (Unless he way more physical then I know, and plays a better 2 way game then I think he does) will not play much under Deboer

Young Dmen - Reilly, Gardiner will have trouble playing under Deboer

McLaren, Orr, Mcclement will play alot under Deboer. Kulemin and Clarkson will probably play top 6 under Deboer

If its the dmen that make risky plays. Franson would probably never see the ice with Deboer, which I would be very grateful for.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

Take Morgan Reilly for instance, if he makes 1 mistake in the game he will not see the ice again that game, and probably for the next few games. Deboer will defer to safer type Dman.

Joke's on him - Rielly may well be our safest defender.

I don't know. It does seem like maybe a bit of an over-correction, going from a free-flowing 'rush' team to a sterile 'systems' team, and I can see why Devils fans have their gripes about Deboer, but I'd be willing to give him a chance here.

 

[calcal798]

Joke's on him - Rielly may well be our safest defender.

Rielly and Gunnarson will be playing 30 minutes a night and everyone else 15.

 

[Devils Trap]

I havent watched much of the Leaf games, So I just thought Reilly was an offensive Dman from stats.

That was on me.. If he doesnt make any mistakes or take risks.. He will play alot . Also if you have defensive Dman.. he will play alot.

 

[mikebel111*]

Kadri (Unless he way more physical then I know, and plays a better 2 way game then I think he does) will not play much under Deboer

Young Dmen - Reilly, Gardiner will have trouble playing under Deboer

McLaren, Orr, Mcclement will play alot under Deboer. Kulemin and Clarkson will probably play top 6 under Deboer

u do know Pete loves kadri. right?

 

[calcal798]

I havent watched much of the Leaf games, So I just thought Reilly was an offensive Dman from stats.

That was on me.. If he doesnt make any mistakes or take risks.. He will play alot . Also if you have defensive Dman.. he will play alot.

Well we just have a bunch of guys that play like that, Dion, Gardiner, Rielly and Franson all will do that. With Franson being the worst at it, while also being the worst at defense lol.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

I havent watched much of the Leaf games, So I just thought Reilly was an offensive Dman from stats.

That was on me.. If he doesnt make any mistakes or take risks.. He will play alot . Also if you have defensive Dman.. he will play alot.

Rielly is an offensive d-man who do takes risks. Makes a lot of rookie mistakes as well since, well, he is a rookie. But he is probably our smartest d-man and show willingness to fix his own mistakes and he is already after just one season, looking better in his positional play. He is a fast learner.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

I havent watched much of the Leaf games, So I just thought Reilly was an offensive Dman from stats.

Haha, I was just kidding. Mostly. It's more of a testimony to how bad the rest of our defensemen are in their own end than anything, that they're being outperformed by a twenty year-old rookie offensive d-man. Although he has been getting better at an amazing pace, over a single season.

 

[Devils Trap]

Rielly is an offensive d-man who do takes risks. Makes a lot of rookie mistakes as well since, well, he is a rookie. But he is probably our smartest d-man and show willingness to fix his own mistakes and he is already after just one season, looking better in his positional play. He is a fast learner.

Yea the mistakes part... that wont cut it. Because one and your done for the night baring an injury.

Gelinas makes one mistake he rides the bench for the rest of the game unless we get a PP

 

[FosterHewitt]

Time will tell... Big names generate hype and publicity

 

[Ace88*]

Please dont hire deboer. There could not be a worse fit available.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

So with Shanahan as president I think he will, on Liewekes recommendation hire Hextall as GM and since his reputation is solid Shanahan will be ok with it. Then they will all agree that Kevin Dineen is the right guy for the head coach job, not only because his brother is coaching the Marlies or that Shanahan and him briefly played for Hartford together but because they rate him as a coach. Together they will decide on how the Leafs will play, what their identity will be and set about to acquire players who fit in and get rid of those who does not fit in. Since the Marlies, were a large part of our future already is playing, have already formed a style as a hard working, cycling team who plays solid defense and show a lot of character and grit that is the style they decide the Leafs should play. A style all newly hired guys are comfortable with both from their playing days and they can all see that Leafs prospect pool largely consist of this kind of players so they got something to possibly work with.

After a major clear out of players and staff the new Leafs will struggle and a lot of questions mark will surround the team. But the deeper into the season the team gets the better they start to play and they finish the season by winning 10 straight games in regulation. But unfortunately with that horrific start that was not enough and the team finish 26th in the league. But that is also when everything changes and Leafs win the lottery and picks Connor McDavid first overall.

Well that is my dream scenario.

 

[The Blue Devil]

I strongly disagree with you. Babcock didn't even go over offence when he coached the men's Canadian hockey team, he stressed the importance of defense and stated these guys know how to score. Kessel has shown this year that he wants to win, and by bringing in a coach to be strictly defensive minded with his system and wins games and all the players buy into it, than he would buy into it. Carlyle never had these guys sold into his style of play, for whatever reasons Carlyle lost the team and guys were scrambling on the ice all year long. Carlyle sat guys for making mistakes early in the season and didn't sit older players for making the same mistakes or worse, to me that set the tone.

Canada's great D had a lot to do with their dominant offense. Team's couldn't score on them because they couldn't even get the puck into their offensive zone.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Kadri (Unless he way more physical then I know, and plays a better 2 way game then I think he does) will not play much under Deboer

Young Dmen - Reilly, Gardiner will have trouble playing under Deboer

McLaren, Orr, Mcclement will play alot under Deboer. Kulemin and Clarkson will probably play top 6 under Deboer

So why do people want him? He is like a younger version of RC then. WTF? If what you're saying is true, I want him nowhere near the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[leafers]

So with Shanahan as president I think he will, on Liewekes recommendation hire Hextall as GM and since his reputation is solid Shanahan will be ok with it. Then they will all agree that Kevin Dineen is the right guy for the head coach job, not only because his brother is coaching the Marlies or that Shanahan and him briefly played for Hartford together but because they rate him as a coach. Together they will decide on how the Leafs will play, what their identity will be and set about to acquire players who fit in and get rid of those who does not fit in. Since the Marlies, were a large part of our future already is playing, have already formed a style as a hard working, cycling team who plays solid defense and show a lot of character and grit that is the style they decide the Leafs should play. A style all newly hired guys are comfortable with both from their playing days and they can all see that Leafs prospect pool largely consist of this kind of players so they got something to possibly work with.

After a major clear out of players and staff the new Leafs will struggle and a lot of questions mark will surround the team. But the deeper into the season the team gets the better they start to play and they finish the season by winning 10 straight games in regulation. But unfortunately with that horrific start that was not enough and the team finish 26th in the league. But that is also when everything changes and Leafs win the lottery and picks Connor McDavid first overall.

Well that is my dream scenario.

Leiweke signed Nonis to a 5 year extension recently, he is not going anywhere.

 

[Pi]

I've learned to trust Devils fans and their opinions. Please say no to Deboer...I hope it's just a rumor.

 

[Igy]

Yeah from the countless responses, I no longer want Deboer. Dineen would be nice.

 

[napoleon in rags]

So why do people want him? He is like a younger version of RC then. WTF? If what you're saying is true, I want him nowhere near the Toronto Maple Leafs.

To tank?

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

Yeah from the countless responses, I no longer want Deboer.

I'm not necessarily saying Deboer would be a good fit here, but I wouldn't write him off based on the parting thoughts of a handful of Devils fans. It's pretty rare for a coach at the end of his tenure to be considered 'good'.

EDIT: not that we don't appreciate the Devils fans dropping in to give us their input

 

[Diatomic]

Kadri (Unless he way more physical then I know, and plays a better 2 way game then I think he does) will not play much under Deboer

Young Dmen - Reilly, Gardiner will have trouble playing under Deboer

McLaren, Orr, Mcclement will play alot under Deboer. Kulemin and Clarkson will probably play top 6 under Deboer

Deboer knows Kadri since Junior and even said last year he's not surprised that he's already a good player since he was the one that drafted him - no issues here.

Rielly and Gardiner won't have trouble because theres no one else in the leafs system that will play over them. We don't have any over age low IQ banging defensemen that will eat their minutes, Rielly and Gards are pretty much all we have right now lol

Not sure about the last one, NJD have some good bottom 6 players and 4th liners and while they do play alot they are atleast somewhat effective, Orr Mclaren and McClement is probably the worst 4th line in the league and I highly doubt Deboer will play them 5+ mins a game after he sees how terrible they are.