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Player Discussion Brendan Gallagher: all heart, no hands

Gallagher is as of now... the highest paid forward on the team for the next 6 years... :help:

Maybe but not sure about Suzuki's situation. Bridge or long term deal after the ELC. I believe Bergevin will circle to this in the many items on the to do list. Suzuki should be extended if he is interested to do it now vs next off season.

Gallagher was banged up and I expect him to rebound but his AAV will be a focus moving forward. It's a bit high and I agree with that to some degree.
 
the disdain accompanies the expectations... 6 pts in 22 games for a player about to be the highest-paid forward for a team is, understandably, very underwhelming. Evans, Byron, Lekhonen... these guys all contributed some very strong defensive play and similarl offensive output, but were widely lauded and appreciated for their play. Gallagher would've been in the same boat were he staring at UFA status or a few more seasons at 3.5M. That he's about to earn double that is why expectations were so much higher (rightfully so i'd argue) and why his impact left most quite disappointed (with the impact... anyone criticizing the effort the guy put in is out to lunch, obviously)

The issue I take with that complaint is not only was he injured throughout the entire playoff run, we used him in a wholly defensive role with a center whose scoring and playmaking ability are practically nonexistent. Gallagher isn't a player who creates his own offense but rather capitalizes on the rebound chances created by others. He's the player shoving the puck in after Caufield's pretty dangle doesn't quite beat the goalie but leaves an open puck. He can't do that without a creative line. Put Gallagher on say, Tavaras' wing and you'll see far better production.

Now if some 40 games into next season Gallagher still can barely score. That's when I'll start being critical.
 
Gallagher's positioning and puck battling ability is exceptionally strong. Getting into passing lanes, forcing turnovers, aggressive forecheck (aggressive insofar as positioning--not physicality) and generally just reading the play and seeing the ice--this is what has made Gallagher a very strong player. He's better known for taking abuse in front of the net, but his ability to see the ice and track the puck is second only to Corey Perry on the team. Those attributes are borderline elite from Gallagher. That's also what makes him so dangerous around the net; his superior ability to track the puck allows him to get to loose pucks faster than his opponents.

I don't expect this primary skill of Gallagher's to deteriorate with age. He's also never been fast. So I have some hope that he'll maintain a high level of play. That said, it's hard to disagree that $6.5m is an obscenely high price tag for a player whose body was already breaking down by the time he became a pro.

I think the disdain for Gallagher's play in these playoffs are wholly unwarranted. It seemed to me as though Gallagher was the superior defensive player on his unit; that he clogged up the neutral zone exceptionally well; led the team in its forcing turnovers and making breakouts for opposing D very difficult all playoffs long (up until the TB series); and Gallagher is often the player on his unit that leads the zone exit (he's very, very good at lobbing the puck up ice without triggering icing, but good enough to get a line change in). He's also very dependable to get the puck deep, keep plays simple, not turnover in the neutral zone, etc. Just a very, very smart, fundamentally strong player who sees the ice exceptionally well, and can hopefully help cement these fundamentals into players like Caufield going forward.
Thank you. This is perfect and spot on.

I will add that he needs to take care of his body. I'd rather he sit 5 games to heal up, then play those 5 games and getting hurt in other places.
 
I get that he was injured. I get that he came back from an injury (likely too early). I get that he was in a defensive role all playoffs. I get that his linemates are offensively inept. I get all that. He still needed to be A LOT better. It's not the first time he has disappointed in the playoffs which is why I'm saying this. If this was his first time in the playoffs, I'd give him a pass. 13 goals in 71 playoff games is unacceptable. Toffoli's playoff production is lacking as well, but he put up points for the first 2 rounds and contributed. Gallagher hasn't.
 
I get that he was injured. I get that he came back from an injury (likely too early). I get that he was in a defensive role all playoffs. I get that his linemates are offensively inept. I get all that. He still needed to be A LOT better. It's not the first time he has disappointed in the playoffs which is why I'm saying this. If this was his first time in the playoffs, I'd give him a pass. 13 goals in 71 playoff games is unacceptable. Toffoli's playoff production is lacking as well, but he put up points for the first 2 rounds and contributed. Gallagher hasn't.

I agree on everything, besides the Toffoli part, he was really good until the finals, he also contributed against Vegas, with 4 points in 6 games.
 
The issue I take with that complaint is not only was he injured throughout the entire playoff run, we used him in a wholly defensive role with a center whose scoring and playmaking ability are practically nonexistent. Gallagher isn't a player who creates his own offense but rather capitalizes on the rebound chances created by others. He's the player shoving the puck in after Caufield's pretty dangle doesn't quite beat the goalie but leaves an open puck. He can't do that without a creative line. Put Gallagher on say, Tavaras' wing and you'll see far better production.

Now if some 40 games into next season Gallagher still can barely score. That's when I'll start being critical.
I get that, but Gallagher is always injured. It's not an issue of if he's healthy. He's never healthy because of the way that he plays and his size. To have a career late into his 30s he would need to reinvent himself, and he doesn't have the skill set to do that.

For your point about his offense, I disagree. Gallagher has always been an individualistic scorer because of his style. He's a crash and bang guy. He doesn't need a set-up man, he doesn't need a dangler. As long as the puck makes it to the crease, he's historically been effective. That's just basic playoff hockey, no elite talent or creativity needed.

The problem is that when he was younger, it wasn't his only asset. He had a pretty good shot that I imagine his hands can't let him do anymore, and while never fast he was a bit shiftier. Now without those weapons he's solely a crash and bang guy that's too easy to box out. Moreover in the playoffs he can get bullied without a call. He can't do his job if the defensemen are just going to cross-check him to the ice.

That's the problem. Gallagher is an asset, but not a 6.5 million dollar asset. That's just reality. Gallagher at that contract actually inhibits our ability to compete, and it's only going to get worse in the next few years.
 
I blame Kucherov
I blame the mayor. I wouldn't be surprised if she's an accomplice

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I don’t know why but I see Gally having a Dustin Brown type of career when he gonna be fully healthy… even in his mid 30s
 
I agree on everything, besides the Toffoli part, he was really good until the finals, he also contributed against Vegas, with 4 points in 6 games.
He was a ghost since game 3 against Vegas. His 2 points in game 5 was him getting a secondary assist by not doing anything. Suzuki does all the work and sets up Staal beautifully (I know you hate his guts, but Danault was a key part in that goal too even though he didn't get any point for it) and an empty netter assist.


He was also the worst player for both teams in the finals. He and Gally killed us in the finals. Toffoli was injured so I'll give him that, but he shouldn't have been playing at all. Especially when we had a guy like KK who could played.
 
Last time he looked this done was 16/17 and he came back to have a career year. Hopefully he can do the same... Especially making 6.5M for next 6 years.
 
I get that he was injured. I get that he came back from an injury (likely too early). I get that he was in a defensive role all playoffs. I get that his linemates are offensively inept. I get all that. He still needed to be A LOT better. It's not the first time he has disappointed in the playoffs which is why I'm saying this. If this was his first time in the playoffs, I'd give him a pass. 13 goals in 71 playoff games is unacceptable. Toffoli's playoff production is lacking as well, but he put up points for the first 2 rounds and contributed. Gallagher hasn't.

Toffoli was actually great up to game 5 of Vegas series. Somewhere along the way he pulled his groin. It really affected him in the Finals for sure.

As for Gallagher, he needs to take ALL of July off to rest his body & heal, like minimum of 4 weeks. Then start training again.

I think people are prematurely writing him off. He'll get 25 goals next year too.
 
Gallagher's positioning and puck battling ability is exceptionally strong. Getting into passing lanes, forcing turnovers, aggressive forecheck (aggressive insofar as positioning--not physicality) and generally just reading the play and seeing the ice--this is what has made Gallagher a very strong player. He's better known for taking abuse in front of the net, but his ability to see the ice and track the puck is second only to Corey Perry on the team. Those attributes are borderline elite from Gallagher. That's also what makes him so dangerous around the net; his superior ability to track the puck allows him to get to loose pucks faster than his opponents.

I don't expect this primary skill of Gallagher's to deteriorate with age. He's also never been fast. So I have some hope that he'll maintain a high level of play. That said, it's hard to disagree that $6.5m is an obscenely high price tag for a player whose body was already breaking down by the time he became a pro.

I think the disdain for Gallagher's play in these playoffs are wholly unwarranted. It seemed to me as though Gallagher was the superior defensive player on his unit; that he clogged up the neutral zone exceptionally well; led the team in its forcing turnovers and making breakouts for opposing D very difficult all playoffs long (up until the TB series); and Gallagher is often the player on his unit that leads the zone exit (he's very, very good at lobbing the puck up ice without triggering icing, but good enough to get a line change in). He's also very dependable to get the puck deep, keep plays simple, not turnover in the neutral zone, etc. Just a very, very smart, fundamentally strong player who sees the ice exceptionally well, and can hopefully help cement these fundamentals into players like Caufield going forward.
Great take because you took it deep in details, like a scout. Great analysis, @Mike8 You are right. People in general focus on his crash and bang, but his forte is in the neutral zone. Coaches know this. Fans generally don't.
 
Gally had a tough playoffs forsure production wise forsure. I do see though that he gets a lot of his points by getting to the net and something our D struggled big time these playoffs were getting pucks to the net. His line was very good at getting pucks to the D but they weren't great at all at curling off the circles and getting shots off.

Although, I do have to say, I appreciated his work all playoffs in the D zone. A lot of people only give credit to Danault and even though Phil was a stud at it, Gally and Leky were great at getting pucks off the wall.

Hopefully, he heals up and pots 30 again next year. I'll take that bet.
 
Toffoli was actually great up to game 5 of Vegas series. Somewhere along the way he pulled his groin. It really affected him in the Finals for sure.

As for Gallagher, he needs to take ALL of July off to rest his body & heal, like minimum of 4 weeks. Then start training again.

I think people are prematurely writing him off. He'll get 25 goals next year too.
I think that contract is going to be atrocious sooner than later. He wouldnt be making over 5 million and not any longer than 5 years if it were up to me.
 

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