Tripod
I hate this team
And that's fair to say....he just didn't say that so it's left for interpretation.
I think we all agree, we are not a good match.
Value of: Brayden Schenn To Vancouver
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And that's fair to say....he just didn't say that so it's left for interpretation.
I think we all agree, we are not a good match.
sirwilliam
Assume it's sarcasm
OP is painful.
Fairest vacuum value would be something around Tanev for Schenn.
But that doesn't seem to be a big need for Philly, and we aren't interested in parting with Horvat. So...
Fairest vacuum value would be something around Tanev for Schenn.
But that doesn't seem to be a big need for Philly, and we aren't interested in parting with Horvat. So...
Josepho
i want the bartkowski thread back
Tripod
I hate this team
Schenn has not been a C for so few years for us except when Couts got hurt this year.
But it's also why he is valuable as he can play all 3 forward positions if need be.
Here are the Flyers needs WITH keeping Schenn....a top 6 LW and a #3 C. Removing Schenn to add a RW prospect makes no sense.
FOurteenS inCisOr
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Not sure about that.
Larsson just got Hall.
Tanev > Larsson
Hall > Schenn
Agreed that absolutely nothing in the OP would interest PHI in a trade for Schenn, however.
why is Philly not already locked this guy up long term, I mean the fans are saying he was the 11th best producing LW in the entire NHL, surely that is worth 4.5-5.5m on a decent length contract is it not?
Are the Flyers in Cap space trouble or just trying to get him signed at their $ figure? Always liked Schenn, with kreider getting his deal, that doesnt help Philly out as Schenn is worth more than what Kreider got.
As for what the Canucks could offer, I would think the only thing that doesnt entail a NTC that has good value is Tanev.
Are the Flyers in Cap space trouble or just trying to get him signed at their $ figure? Always liked Schenn, with kreider getting his deal, that doesnt help Philly out as Schenn is worth more than what Kreider got.
As for what the Canucks could offer, I would think the only thing that doesnt entail a NTC that has good value is Tanev.
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We need to stop comparing Larsson just got Hall as the basis of all future trade value.
If so Erat could get you Forsberg as the basis of deals.
Forsberg >>>>Erat
This was a perfect storm trade not likely duplicated soon.
BackWithaVengeance
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Very reasonable answers from Canucks fans.
OP tried and forgot to offer value. Spare parts alone won't cut it.
Nonethelss, there is no single reason for Vancouver to part with Horvath for Schenn. He will be one of their core players for years to come and rightfully so.
Boeser would be a great asset to start with but the Flyers needs are top-6 LW's and a reliable 3C for the next 2-3 years. Horvath would be overkill.
Tbh, it leaves the only possibility of a Virtanen/Gaunce package which I am not a fan of. Not convinced of Virtanens top-end skill. I know PF's need longer to develop but something is missing here. If Gaunce would have reached his middle-6, shutdown potential, we could have a deal here.
Unfortunately we don't.
OP tried and forgot to offer value. Spare parts alone won't cut it.
Nonethelss, there is no single reason for Vancouver to part with Horvath for Schenn. He will be one of their core players for years to come and rightfully so.
Boeser would be a great asset to start with but the Flyers needs are top-6 LW's and a reliable 3C for the next 2-3 years. Horvath would be overkill.
Tbh, it leaves the only possibility of a Virtanen/Gaunce package which I am not a fan of. Not convinced of Virtanens top-end skill. I know PF's need longer to develop but something is missing here. If Gaunce would have reached his middle-6, shutdown potential, we could have a deal here.
Unfortunately we don't.
FOurteenS inCisOr
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I really don't think the two trades are comparable at all.
The Erat/Forsberg trade was a contending team trading a (very good...but) unproven prospect for veteran scorer.
That's a fairly common trade in which you'd expect a team to overpay with an unknown but high potential commodity for a known commodity for short-term success. It happens nearly every TDL in some form—again, high potential unknown commodity for known commodity.
The Larsson/Hall trade was a completely different scenario.
You have two teams that are both in the process of a rebuild trading two players who are young, but both relatively known commodities.
It's a far closer comparison to a PHI/VAN proposal of this ilk.
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horvat is more valuable than giroux
its fun seeing such an untouchable player be the target so easily
schenn had 19 more points with giroux and voracek right?
horvat had 40 points with burrows and dorsett. and
iam dumb
philly fans i wouldnt trade u horvat for
schenn
couturier
sanheim
and a 1st
bo horvat is a 70 point late bloomer selke dynasty player.
hes untouchable and i feel bad for teams without players like him
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horvath
about sums up the knowledge of this player.
sutter and gaunce for schenn is a great deal
skyo
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About sums it up, flyers - canucks just don't make good trading partners at this point.
& to throw in a jab, I don't like, stats wise, Schenn's last two playoff performances, zero goals and 5 assists in 13 postseason games, maybe he was injured or didn't click with anyone or hit a lot of posts, I don't know, but compared to the likes of Killorn etc, BSchenn's points in the last two playoff seasons he was in, leave a lot to be desired.
Tripod
I hate this team
Well...you just derailed the thread. This should be fun once the Philly fans all wake up....haha. It's ok, you keep Horvat.
Killorn is 2 years older than Schenn. At the same age, Killorn had 2 points in 4 playoff games. Not to mention, Tampa is a much better team while Philly as been playoff tweeners.
Also add in that the Flyers played against Vezina winner Holtby and Lundqvist in the 2 playoff series you are referencing. Not exactly guys that you score a lot against.
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17 players scored 70 points last year.
If you cloned Bo Horvat and got special dispensation from the league to allow them both to play at the same time and only have the Horvat Collective count as one skater, you would still be overrating him.
Not that it makes sense for Vancouver to do a Horvat-Schenn deal, of course.
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BackWithaVengeance
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I went with a sensible post and wanted to show how the Nucks fans came in and gave reasonable answers.
Moreover, I pointed out why Horvath is important for you.
You Sir ... well done I guess
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who is lord stanley?
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Today. For long? It could very well be =
To us, Couts is about the perfect example of how we see Horvat's development path. Just we've highly accelerated his process by dealing our 2C for a 3C to play 2C only to have him healthy for 20 odd games and only about 1/4 of those were seen in the middle of the ice.
Our guy has developed as a scorer a little quicker, but I'm hoping Horvat's smarts and dedication on the ice bring him to Couts' level defensively at such a young age with another full season and off season under his belt.
On the topic of Schenn, I'd prefer to target a true RH RW who can push Jake down to 3RW for awhile or until he proves to be worthy of the 2RW. Schenn is a fine player, but as I feel we have too many left shooting guys in our top 6 already, the loss of Vrbata's willingness to shoot the puck from the RW with his right handed stick limits options for offence.
