Player Discussion: Brayden Point - Part 3

[Todd1a]

This one is frustrating to read this morning..
Just f*ck off Ottawa with your Chabot contract !!

Yep lol

 

[Todd1a]

Possibly an unpopular opinion but if Point is more interested in breaking the bank, even to the detriment of the team going forward, then adios bud. Not everyone can get what they're worth on a loaded team, if Point doesn't understand this then playing for another franchise is probably what's best.

Is what is shocking is I just didn’t think point was like that and I thought he would be the first RFA to sign a deal

 

[DFC]

There are a few flaws in this first you assume that there is going to be a substantial increase in the cap for the remaining years of the CBA. Last years 4 mil increase has proven to have been a mistake. It caused the players association to refuse to approve the escrow which had more effect on the CAP than any will admit. While the cap went up 2 mil this year in reality it should have only increased 500k. Why? League wide attendance is down actual butts in seats. Now a number of teams show sellouts but continue to have large areas of empty seats in the arena see Detroit and Chicago for two examples. This does not indicate a healthy league. There are mixed reports about TV revenue increases for this reason. Forbes the biggest pumper I have seen indicated that TV revenue would increase 300 million per year. Which is a drop in the bucket compared to other professional sports. As much as we would like the NHL tobe more popular it just is not in fact it is getting close to being passed by MLS friggin soccer which will land the league as the 5th most popular sport in North Americas. Now combine all that with the CBA ending the players already have refused shown decreasing interest in escrow and one can fully expect the teams to tighten there belt waiting on the next CBA. 2 mil increase to the cap each year until 22 is very optimistic. But lets be optimistic this would increase the cap to 87.5 mil. When the last CBA was signed it was predicted that the CAP would be 101.5 mil by the end of the contract. Its not close.

Now to the 11% threshold Kuch would be at 10.8 mil and Stammer at 9.7 Vasi at 10.8% these numbers include the 2 mil per year cap increase. Then add in Hedman at another 9%. How many players can a team field with each getting 10% of the cap which is basically whats goin on here.
And still remain a threat for the championship. Look at what it did to Chicago and Detroit. While it is true that under a cap system this has become the model to win cups build a team peak then cycle down to a rebuild and go at it again it creates a 10 year cycle which holds the league back IMO. But I degress. Point most assuredly deserves to be paid. And right now if you can afford a 8 mil bridge you can afford a 10 mil 7 year deal. Its a small cap move of ridding the team of the excess defensemen on the roster now so by opening day its doable but your at the top of the cap with no room to bring in a warm body if there is an injury short of call ups.

Do not spend all that TV money too fast first one has to see what the teams part is.. If the increase is in fact the 300 mil across 31 teams you looking at 9.6 mil per team that is with the generosity of the league not taking a thin dime that will happen right. The TV contract will be for how many years???? Rodgers last one was 10 years right so to max the money lets say this one is 5 years this could put 1.9 mil to each team in cap increase if everything is perfect but just as with the last contract something will go wrong. The cap by 2022 was supposed to be 101.5 and best case now will only be 87.5 that's a 14 mil shortfall or 13% lower than was expected. so 1.9 mil minus 13% will put teams at 1.6 mil cap increase assuming that attendance remains the same as well as other revenue lanes. This is not sustainable to continue increasing individual salaries at the current pace. This is not the federal government where you can just print more money.

I love the makeup of the forwards on the team and with the exception of Palat I do not think any are overpaid and that is the problem even I want to pay the guys more than what is feasible. The teams defense budget is far too low right now as well we got the two superstars paid the rest are bargain basement contracts which can not be sustained there will have to be at least two contracts in the 4 to 5 mil range for two top 4 guys then the third pair guys making 1.5 to 3.5 unless you can have a pipeline of Sergi's and Footes to ride there ELC's something this team has had problems doing over the years for blueliners.

As to the Friday deadline its pretty much still my thoughts while still early in preseason we are three weeks until the games count each day Point is not on the ice is a day into the regular season for team chemistry. The Ahlers will be going back to there team next week so this Friday is important.

Now I agree with you about Point being the 1C past Stammers prime but Stammer has not really played that 1C for two years now Point has been in that slot the center depth on this team right now is really sick. The top 9 are the best in the league from top to bottom talent wise and scoring wise in the regular season there is not a team close. Teams can argue there top line against us if we continue to put Kuch on that 2nd line but you put Point Stammer and Kuch together there is not a better line out there for scoring. I can see a day that we move Stammer back to center the 2nd line with Point as the 1C and Johnson the 3C but all of this hinges on Cap.

It still boils down to a percentage. Worst case scenario, which is almost impossible, is the cap sticks at 81.5m. In that scenario, Point, in 2022, gets about 9m. I'm not sure why that means there's no way we can keep him, given it'll be a modest raise over whatever he gets on a bridge. He only gets more if the cap goes up. One thing is dependent on the other.

But what it really comes down to is priorities. We're almost certainly going to lose a player next year. But Point, right now, should be Priority #1, because he and Kucherov are the future at forward, and, having Point, ensures that Stamkos can have a nice second half of his career as a 2C. It sets us up at the most important position in hockey, while being pretty strong on D until McDonagh declines also. We're really not in that much trouble. We might lose a couple of players, but the players we'll have locked in are in the spots that are toughest to replace.

 

[DFC]

The question is what are 20 goal guys worth we had basically 7 of those last year and they were 40 point guys as well. Most teams will pay those guys 4.5 to 5.5. Should we pay less because we have three 40 goal 90 point players????? We are forced to pay those guys what other teams pay them due to the fact that those teams do not have the 90 point guy. Does it make it right well no but that's what this team is facing.

This is true, but it's important to remember some of those 20 goal guys don't get 20 without Point and Kucherov. Part of the value in guys who make plays is everybody around them gets more valuable.

 

[DFC]

Probably trying to put some pressure on JBB. I don't think it's gonna work though.

 

[Todd1a]

Probably trying to put some pressure on JBB. I don't think it's gonna work though.

Yep we all know the lightning and it won’t work

 

[Master P]

Im with you they could have got Point resigned before the end of the season last year as well. It time for the team to be set.

To be fair I'm pretty sure I remember an interview where Point was asked about his contract and he said he wasn't going to deal with it until the season was over.

 

[Master P]

Was checking out the Bolts reddit and apparently someone saw a picture of Point on a light pole near the arena. I guess its all but a done deal now.

 

[42]

Was checking out the Bolts reddit and apparently someone saw a picture of Point on a light pole near the arena. I guess its all but a done deal now.

What was Point doing on a light pole?

 

[Master P]

What was Point doing on a light pole?

Would have worked better if I didn't say " a picture of Point" but nice try anyway

 

[Rschmitz]

Not close...is not good.

 

[Master P]

Guess we could always trade Point for Laine

 

[CupsOverCash]

What was Point doing on a light pole?

All over town they have Bolts advertisements. Majority of them either say Bolts in big letters on some big building or they have players faces with their number big on walls in and outside the malls. They also have the player advertisements on street lights on Kennedy, downtown Tampa, and other parts of town. My guess is somebody messed up with the Point one.

 

[SnakeIdol]

When you can't reach an agreement with a team who reaches an agreement with everyone, whom has a long history of financially taking care of their players, says more about Johansson than anything. I disagree with anyone who thinks more pressure is on the Lightning to get a deal done quickly. The Lightning will be playing on Oct 3 with or without Point. Whether it is, 5 million or 8 million per, that's life changing money that Point's family will reap for generations. Few will ever experience the amount of pressure Point must be feeling atm knowing his financial security is just a handshake away. That's why Point is paying Johansson big money to go into negotiations. He's clearly touting the young 90 point center as Kucherov's equal. Robin never gets as much as Batman. You have to admire Johansson's bravado after failing so miserably for Sebastian Aho.

Point's already outpaced most of his draft class counterparts. Of the remaining RFA's unsigned only Point and Saku Maenalanen weren't 1st round picks. This is the year Point reaches stardom and has a real serious chance at winning the Stanley Cup. Or he can sit. Imho a deal will be reached soon. 6.25x3

 

[CupsOverCash]

When you can't reach an agreement with a team who reaches an agreement with everyone, whom has a long history of financially taking care of their players, says more about Johansson than anything. I disagree with anyone who thinks more pressure is on the Lightning to get a deal done quickly. The Lightning will be playing on Oct 3 with or without Point. Whether it is, 5 million or 8 million per, that's life changing money that Point's family will reap for generations. Few will ever experience the amount of pressure Point must be feeling atm knowing his financial security is just a handshake away. That's why Point is paying Johansson big money to go into negotiations. He's clearly touting the young 90 point center as Kucherov's equal. Robin never gets as much as Batman. You have to admire Johansson's bravado after failing so miserably for Sebastian Aho.

Point's already outpaced most of his draft class counterparts. Of the remaining RFA's unsigned only Point and Saku Maenalanen weren't 1st round picks. This is the year Point reaches stardom and has a real serious chance at winning the Stanley Cup. Or he can sit. Imho a deal will be reached soon. 6.25x3

Kuch had his issues on his bridge deal too. Its not an easy thing to do I can imagine. Especially when you establish yourself as a top player on the team like Kuch and Point both clearly are. I dont see it getting to the place where he is missing regular season games. I think they are just trying to get what they can and I dont blame them. I also think they reach a deal soon.

 

[Krewe]

Gun to your head, which two do you guys keep next year?

Cernak
Sergachev
Cirelli

I’m saying keep the two C’s

 

[ccman68]

Gun to your head, which two do you guys keep next year?

Cernak
Sergachev
Cirelli

I’m saying keep the two C’s

We can probably keep all. Just trade Killorn to create some space then cap goes up and Carle buyout is gone and Condon’s contract is off the books.

Carlo only got 2.85 so Cernak shouldn’t get much at all. Cirelli is more of a defensive forward so he isn’t gonna get paid what he deserves either. Sergachev can take a bridge like everyone else.

Trading Paquette and Coburn would also help a bit if necessary.

 

[nhljohnson]

We’re not even at the point where Kucherov caved three years ago.

The Blue Jackets (approximately $10m in cap space) are really Point’s last sliver of leverage; Rantanen is going to eat up a good chunk of Colorado’s remaining room and WOG has Laine and Connor to deal with. Then the few other clubs (e.g. OTT) with comparable space to TB have known constraints.

 

[These Are The Days]

Probably trying to put some pressure on JBB. I don't think it's gonna work though.

Not even a little bit. The priority for the Lightning seems to be term and Point's agent just outright said "Nothing wrong with a bridge deal." So in terms of what kind of deal it's gonna be, I think this all but seals it as a 3-4 year extension. As for any kind of a holdout, this team is so deep that I think we're liable to still win without Point in the event of this dragging through regular season. In a different situation, I would say Point's camp would have some kind of favor in the contractual war of attrition but I don't see a lot of leverage here on Point's end. It sounds like the Lightning haven't budged from their offer and are not going to any time soon.

Ho hum... it is what it is. So long as it doesn't end up with Point asking for a trade, this will all be water under the bridge and the Lightning and Point will go back to being the apple of each other's eye once the deal is over.

 

[These Are The Days]

We’re not even at the point where Kucherov caved three years ago.

The Blue Jackets (approximately $10m in cap space) are really Point’s last sliver of leverage; Rantanen is going to eat up a good chunk of Colorado’s remaining room and WOG has Laine and Connor to deal with. Then the few other clubs (e.g. OTT) with comparable space to TB have known constraints.

If Point wanted to sign a CBJ offer sheet he'd have done it by now. The Lightning know it would be an empty gesture. I can't help but wonder how well that would go down in the locker room. Laine's situation is very interesting. There's all the money in the world to pay him but no deal signed. And given all the voicing of frustration, I do believe his non-signing is a symptom of something bigger. It feels like he's basically holding out so he can be utilized in ways that he feels is better i.e NOT playing with Little -who has only assisted on 11 goals ever in Laine's career. The CBJ would be kind of crazy to go after him because I don't know how well he's gonna mesh with John Tortorella. If there's anything I've learned it's that the other certainty besides death and taxes is that John Tortorella is gonna get under your skin, drive you insane and you're gonna burn out on him eventually.

So, all in all, I don't believe the CBJ really have any leverage anywhere when you account for how much talent they've lost. I can't imagine much more than lukewarm interest from the RFA's when they're on playoff teams and CBJ is no guarantee to even make the playoffs with a Rantanen, Point, Tkachuk or Laine on it. Everyone's got a short memory... people think the Winnipeg Jets are having "w0rst offseezin evaaarrr!!!!11!!" but they forget that the CBJ just lost Bob, Dzingel, Duchene AND Panarin. I mean gat DAYUM.... Trouba and Myers don't come close to that.

 

[Boltswin]

All over town they have Bolts advertisements. Majority of them either say Bolts in big letters on some big building or they have players faces with their number big on walls in and outside the malls. They also have the player advertisements on street lights on Kennedy, downtown Tampa, and other parts of town. My guess is somebody messed up with the Point one.

A picture of “Point on a light pole”
“A picture of Point” on a light pole

 

[TeslaCoilFan]

A picture of “Point on a light pole”
“A picture of Point” on a light pole

Was on the road that goes from the airport east to Dale Mabry and both sides had light poles with pictures of various Bolts players. And yes, Point was on a few of them.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

2 banners of point are up at arena TODAY is what i was told by a friend NOW that said doesnt mean anything in regards to a deal... point per my guys is home practicing.... im unsure accuracy cause no one knows for sure if he is recovered fully from surgery that id trust so maybe that is part of this why in the hell should we make offer if he cant play or change offer?

just my two cents for now...

per coils it might be he was wrong on at stadium? cant trust anyone haha

 

[TeslaCoilFan]

Point is NOT on the big wall banners on the Arena, but they added the light pole banners around the Arena since I was there for Fan Fest on Sunday.

 

[TeslaCoilFan]

Here's the banners up on the walls around Amalie.


In case any of you are on phones and can't see the tweet, the first wall banner shows Kuch, Vasy and Stammer. The second wall banner has Johnny, Pally and Killer. The garage/Thunder Alley wall has Heddy and Mac.