Friedman: Brayden & Luke Schenn Combo

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If Vancouver had a team like last year's, then sure. But everything's gone wrong this season due to locker room drama, and using assets to acquire two 30+ players is not in the team's best interests, particularly when neither are going to help the team score.

The other thing is that acquiring Luke Schenn, as much as I love the guy, would create a logjam on the right side and they're probably looking to open a spot up for Willander to take next season.
 
He's better. Are we trying to win a round here or not?

Are you sure he is better? He has 10 more pts than the other 2, but he is also -7. I don't think he is much better, unless one of them is going to St. Louis in the trade. He is also going to be 34 at the start of next season, while Copp and Compher are 3-4 years younger. I don't want a bigger contract for an older player who isn't having that great a season.

How does he help us win a round anymore than the other two? St. Louis missed the playoffs the past 2 seasons with him and might miss again this year.
 
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Vegas would be more likely here.

Vegas: Brayden Schenn (50% retained by St. Louis)
St. Louis: Nicolas Roy, Trevor Connelly, 2nd 2026, and 3rd 2025

Vegas: Luke Schenn
Nashville: 2nd 2025
You can never count Vegas out but they’re pretty stacked on the backend. that’s also quite a bit to be giving up for a 33 years old. They’d go after McCann if that’s what they’re gonna be paying and it’s still probably too much. That’s a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd, and adding Roy. A hell of a role player.
 
Vegas would be more likely here.

Vegas: Brayden Schenn (50% retained by St. Louis)
St. Louis: Nicolas Roy, Trevor Connelly, 2nd 2026, and 3rd 2025

Vegas: Luke Schenn
Nashville: 2nd 2025

Why would Vegas give up a 2nd round pick for Luke Schenn? Who would he unseat from their top six defenseman? He wouldn't' even play for them, it makes no sense at all.
 
And that's the long and short of it.

Brayden as a 3C is nice, but @ 6.5, with potentially JT getting 7? No thanks, got to go cheaper, and Luke is a no-go. Been there and done that twice.

Not sure I agree. Luke worked really well partnered with Rielly.

We let Luke walk and replaced him with Tanev (upgrade), but now he's paired with McCabe and Rielly needs another partner with chemistry.

I'm down for Luke 3.0
 
a lot seem to be missing the Blues will not trade Schenn except for a "massive haul." it doesn't make sense for the Blues to give up Schenn for pennies when he's really the only veteran leader currently on a young team.
 
Vancouver makes a lot of sense.

JT Miller and Brayden Schenn share a lot in common.

Given the Blues recent actions I would suggest their target in any deal would be a drafted prospect. Tom Willander is a drafted prospect.

Similar to the Blues Snuggerud, Tom Willander has yet to sign his elc and is expected to after the NCAA season ends.

It would complicate any transaction to include a skater like this at this stage: the acquiring team has no ability to guarantee the contract. That being said, we do see contracts in this situation involved in transactions for a variety of reasons.

I think it’s a fair guess that a deal could exist with Schenn being the primary piece from stl and Willander from van.

If this is a scenario where Vancouver has uncertainty about its ability to get the Willander elc signed, trading for a JT-Miller lite with that asset may be a win-win, extra convenient your trading partner so happens to like young Swedish hockey players. Schenn can’t fully fill JT’s role but he also has a smaller cap hit, so there’s some extra to spend to improve elsewhere.
 
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It really doesn’t make sense for us to trade Schenn. We’re already weak at C and he is a leader on the team. Either he will be traded for a lot more than people expect, or more likely he is not moved at all.
 
GMs have glazed both of these guys their entire careers and they are bit players at best the entire time.

Kudos to Army if he can get something big.
 
Vancouver makes a lot of sense.

JT Miller and Brayden Schenn share a lot in common.

Given the Blues recent actions I would suggest their target in any deal would be a drafted prospect. Tom Willander is a drafted prospect.

Similar to the Blues Snuggerud, Tom Willander has yet to sign his elc and is expected to after the NCAA season ends.

It would complicate any transaction to include a skater like this at this stage: the acquiring team has no ability to guarantee the contract. That being said, we do see contracts in this situation involved in transactions for a variety of reasons.

I think it’s a fair guess that a deal could exist with Schenn being the primary piece from stl and Willander from van.

If this is a scenario where Vancouver has uncertainty about its ability to get the Willander elc signed, trading for a JT-Miller lite with that asset may be a win-win, extra convenient your trading partner so happens to like young Swedish hockey players. Schenn can’t fully fill JT’s role but he also has a smaller cap hit, so there’s some extra to spend to improve elsewhere.

I'm sorry, but are you high?

Willander is one of the better D prospects in the league, he's not being traded for a declining 2nd line center that will be 34 years old at the start of next season. Even if Schenn was a bit younger, the Canucks have a gaping hole when it comes to top-4 RD going forward which they expect Willander to fill soon. The only way Willander is being traded is 1 for 1 for a similar calibre prospect or in a package for a star player south of 30.

This has 2nd + B prospect written all over it. Maybe you get a 1st from a team that both really needs a center and values playoff experience given some believe the draft will be weak this year. Blues might want to consider just keeping Schenn for his leadership while they go through a transition phase.
 
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I'm sorry, but are you high?

Willander is one of the better D prospects in the league, he's not being traded for a declining 2nd line center that will be 34 years old at the start of next season. Even if Schenn was a bit younger, the Canucks have a gaping hole when it comes to top-4 RD going forward which they expect Willander to fill soon. The only way Willander is being traded is 1 for 1 for a similar calibre prospect or in a package for a star player south of 30.

This has 2nd + B prospect written all over it. Maybe you get a 1st from a team that both really needs a center and values playoff experience given some believe the draft will be weak this year. Blues might want to consider just keeping Schenn for his leadership while they go through a transition phase.
Willander has not signed a contract.

It doesn’t matter if he’s the pending greatest defenseman of all time.

Until he signs a deal, an outcome we often see with unsigned ncaa athletes is a trade. Since this is a situation that neither team is really bent over the barrel at this juncture, you’d guess maybe that the value for a trade would equalize when one looked at it in entirety, that the total deal really won’t look one sided in either direction. Rantanen is a great example.

I had this conversation with a handful of folk exactly a week before Rantanen was traded trying to explain to them that it was becoming likely.

It doesn’t matter how good Rantanen is even if he’s a top 5 player. It doesn’t matter than the Avs are in the playoff race and he is in their core, and good friends with the teams captain.

All that matters, for the purpose of guessing trades, is contract status. Same with this situation.

Unfortunately my official Rantanen guess included “not Carolina for Necas because they’re cheap” - it’s in the thread I started a few week before he was traded that specifically asked what the value would be if he were traded in a few weeks. Wouldn’t be surprised if I missed the mark on this one too…but i do get close. Had I suggested Rantanen for Necas I probably would have gotten a reply that was asking if I was high because Necas is nowhere near the value of Rantanen.

I think Schenn to Vancouver makes sense but I don’t think a Schenn to Vancouver deal will happen because Schenn is smart and that trade would be giant paycut due to provincial taxation and exchange rates. He won’t waive is my guess. This could be the source of the “Schenn brothers” aspect of the rumor; an attempt to encourage waive. Missouri State has legislature in process that will remove state income tax similar to Vegas, the stars, predators, Florida. It may become impossible for any Blue with a nmc to move - nobody willing to even consider waiving due to the tremendous change in take home pay.

What could become challenging is if the scenario is one where the Canucks have to move their unsigned ncaa prospect for whatever reason, it’s one less trade partner and one less offer to take to owners, and if the scenario enters a shorter timeframe, you’ve just entered “get fleeced” territory. The best thing that can exist for these situations is options. You want as many as you can get. Or maybe they’ll get him locked up. We’ll all get to see. The blues are in the exact same position with Snuggerud. It will be uncertain until it isn’t. No matter what happens in either situation I think both the blues and Canucks will be just fine. Even the worse case for both is whatever, isn’t franchise defining.
 
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Friedman on NHL radio said the price is high on Brayden, mentioned at least one of the Leafs nig 3 assets ('26 1st, Nintendo, Cowan). Also thought Vegas would be in on the brothers
 
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Vegas would be more likely here.

Vegas: Brayden Schenn (50% retained by St. Louis)
St. Louis: Nicolas Roy, Trevor Connelly, 2nd 2026, and 3rd 2025

Vegas: Luke Schenn
Nashville: 2nd 2025
Would be shocking if Blues retain on Schenn. Don't believe we have ever retained for multiple years, only on expiring deal. Much more likely to take back another contract to offset cap hit.
 

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