Confirmed with Link: Brassard re-signed (5 years, $5M per)

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And we are still in the same place. Without a cup and now now less of a chance of getting a player that can help us for years to come. Instead we get to watch a 39 year old turn 40 and slowly drift into the sunset.

Yeah, like Jagr has been doing for the last 4 years. Just kidding he was 27th in scoring in the NHL last year.

Love this attitude as a fan, let's not go for the win now, because 5 years from now we are giving up on a kid that could be good (or could be a bust) may help us win a playoff game. :sarcasm:
 
And we are still in the same place. Without a cup and now now less of a chance of getting a player that can help us for years to come. Instead we get to watch a 39 year old turn 40 and slowly drift into the sunset.

Ah yes, the "cup or nothing" crowd.

Our run to the cup means nothing to you? The moments? The memories? The joy of winning 3 rounds? Coming back from the dead against the Pens?

Only one team can win every year. You can still take some joy out of what we did accomplish.

Guess you'd rather have every year be like the dark years. My first 7 years as a fan. Maybe thats why simply making the playoffs and enjoying playoff hockey is enough for me to at least be happy with the team.

^^^ (At least when I look at the big picture. I can't be held accountable for my behavior on here during games)
 
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Ah yes, the "cup or nothing" crowd.

Our run to the cup means nothing to you? The moments? The memories? The joy of winning 3 rounds? Coming back from the dead against the Pens?

Only one team can win every year. You can still take some joy out of what we did accomplish.

Guess you'd rather have every year be like the dark years. My first 7 years as a fan. Maybe thats why simply making the playoffs and enjoying playoff hockey is enough for me to at least be happy with the team.

^^^ (At least when I look at the big picture. I can't be held accountable for my behavior on here during games)
Yes big picture. An aging team heading back to those dark years. Giving up picks for old men for the glory of one nice run every 20
Years.
 
A "natural right wing" is traditionally described as someone plays right wing and shoots righty. When Alex Ovechkin, for example, plays right wing while shooting lefty he's playing his "off wing". Nash might be a better and more effective player on RW, but he's not a "natural right wing" - he's a guy playing his off wing.

Furthermore, it's much easier to defend and attack on your natural side because of your proximity to the boards. If you've played, it's really hard to clear the zone on your backhand if you're playing on your "off" side. It's hard to make a pass with your backhand. The biggest advantage to playing on your off side is having a better (closer to center) shot if you happen to be open in a scoring area like that. Nash isn't physical enough down low and routinely takes shots from the slot out on his off wing.

But, you've got MSL/Kreider/MZA/Nash as your top 4 wings and so do I. So someone is playing out of their preferred position.

It's always been my understanding that "natural" simply refers to what the player's most familiar / natural position. If it simply meant that a LW shoots left, and a RW shoots right, then the term "natural center" wouldn't exist.

A "natural LW" is simply a player who is most effective in that position and has played most of their career / feels natural / most comfortable in that position.

As far as goal-scorers go, the majority of wingers play on the "off-wing": lefties on RW, righties on LW because they have a better shooting angle and their forehand is open to the middle of the ice, especially for one-timers and snipe-style wrist shots.

Players who aren't goal-scorers (bottom-6 checking role, defensive players, grinders, etc) might be more likely to play on the LW as lefties and vice versa. Defensemen (at even strength) typically play on the same side as they are handed so that they are on their forehand along the boards.

The bottom line is that Nash has played significant time on both wings throughout his career and been successful/effective. Zuccarello has also shown the ability to play the left side without losing any effectiveness.

One of Nash/Zuccarello will be a LW in the top-6.

Nash fits perfectly in Pouliot's spot because he's the same body-type, skating stride, and is better at just about everything both offensively and defensively. It would be a seamless transition for Brassard and Zuccarello, and Nash would benefit from playing with two guys who are already on the same page. Furthermore, Brassard and Zuccarello are our best down-low cycle players which works perfectly for Nash's bull-to-the-net game. Nash doesn't want to carry the puck into the zone. He wants it off the cycle so he can use his strength and reach to come off the wall or out of the corner and bull his way into open space or to the net to create a chance. That's perfect because Brass and Zucc like to carry the puck into the zone and then look to make a play or cycle to keep the play alive.

And like others have said, AV likes his combos: Kreider+Stepan, Brass+Zucc.

That's why

Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello (or Zuccarello Brassard Nash)

Hagelin Miller/Lindberg Stempniak

Glass Moore Lombardi/Mueller

makes the most sense in terms of chemistry, continuity, balance, and slotting everyone in roles/spots they are capable of succeeding in.


Putting Miller with St. Louis (as some have suggested) is asking for Miller to overthink and defer to St. Louis and force plays. Putting the rookie center with two smart, responsible two-way players in Hagelin and Stempniak allows him to play his game and focus on simply playing by instinct and not overthinking / trying to do too much. Not to mention that St. Louis's ability to make his linemates better should be maximized with our top players, and vice versa, not a rookie.
 
An aging team with a core of Stepan, Kreider, Nash, Zucc, McDonagh? Brassard about to enter his prime. Girardi.

Don't bother. So many people here are doom and gloom. The sky is always falling. Hell there's a group here that think Hanks the worst thing to ever happen to the rangers because without him we would've gotten every first overall pick from 06-14.
 
Don't bother. So many people here are doom and gloom. The sky is always falling. Hell there's a group here that think Hanks the worst thing to ever happen to the rangers because without him we would've gotten every first overall pick from 06-14.

Yeah, I'm pretty doom and gloom myself during games but thats just my emotion getting the better of me.

I'm able to take a step back and see that we haven't had it too bad here the last 8 years and the future is pretty promising too despite the fact that we will be without a first rounder 3 outta 4 years.
 
Yes big picture. An aging team heading back to those dark years. Giving up picks for old men for the glory of one nice run every 20
Years.

Oh yeah, not like we have an elite 24 year old defenseman, a 24 year old 1C, or a 22 year old budding powerforward winger.
 
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Yeah, I'm pretty doom and gloom myself during games but thats just my emotion getting the better of me.

I'm able to take a step back and see that we haven't had it too bad here the last 8 years and the future is pretty promising too despite the fact that we will be without a first rounder 3 outta 4 years.

The first rounder thing kinda sucks, but way too much value is put into those picks. I mean do we really need another McIlrath who will take half a decade or more to make the team?

Management has done a nice job restocking the prospect pool with college signings. That's replacing some of the value lost in the picks.
 
5 prime-time years at $5 million will look like a bargain in 2016

You are probably right. 5 mill seems steep for the next season but if the cap keeps going up it has a potential to look like a bargain. 69 mill cap next season and say 72/73 the following and 75/76 the next (rough projections) and the contract will be a bargain.
 
Seriously, people are always dumping on the youth- but you add Stepan, Kreider and McD to any team and they're instantly better. Those are 3 very talented players, with McD being an elite player at his position, Stepan being on the second tier of 1C's at 24 Y/O, and Kreider's potential yet to be determined.
 
How is left-handed shooting Rick Nash a "natural (right) wing"? He's not. He's certainly capable of playing on the left side and it would probably help his perimeter style game and get more shots through. He might prefer the right side, but LW is certainly a possibility.

Kreider - Stepan - Nash (Kreider and Nash are both left handed shots)
St. Louis - Brassard - MZA (both MZA and MSL are left handed shots)
Hagelin - Miller/Lombardi - Stempniak (Hags is lefty, Stemps is righty)
Glass - Moore - Fast (not really a 4th line type)?

I'm a righty my natural spot is definitely the left wing...off wing is much easier to play offensively. When I play defense I play the right side for the same reason..its just easier to play defensively on your stick side...much easier to hold the boards and bank pucks up and out of the zone shooting from that side.
 
I think the word "natural" to describe a hockey position is a bit out of place. Can you look at an infant and tell what position he's best suited for?
 
As far as heading back to the Dark Ages, just remember Tom "Caught Behind the Net" Poti and instantly feel better.

God that guy made Dan Girardi look like a positional mastermind.
 
We're not going back to the dark ages, but we do need to stop flushing draft picks so we can have contributors on ELCs. Otherwise, we'll never have the cap space to make significant improvements.
 
We're not going back to the dark ages, but we do need to stop flushing draft picks so we can have contributors on ELCs. Otherwise, we'll never have the cap space to make significant improvements.

That's my point. Before you know it there will be a need for the next generation and we can't go on the hope that we will always find a gem in the 7th round or get and undrafted stay at home defenseman out of nowhere. You need to continue stockpiling future kids
 
I'm a righty my natural spot is definitely the left wing...off wing is much easier to play offensively. When I play defense I play the right side for the same reason..its just easier to play defensively on your stick side...much easier to hold the boards and bank pucks up and out of the zone shooting from that side.

I'm a lefty and play LD and RW, too. I get all that. :)

"Natural" LW and RW isn't about what side a player prefers. It's about stick orientation. At least that's been my experience in playing organized hockey.

Here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/s...ckey-teams-direction-left-and-right.html?_r=0
 
That's my point. Before you know it there will be a need for the next generation and we can't go on the hope that we will always find a gem in the 7th round or get and undrafted stay at home defenseman out of nowhere. You need to continue stockpiling future kids

Lol, that's not your point at all. Your point (if you can call it that) is that this team has disaster written all over it.

We still have a relatively young team. You have to have a mixture of vets and young players to win. The Rangers have that. Just because a player has been a professional for a while doesn't make him old

McD
Stepan
Hags
Kreider
Brass
Zucc
Staal
Moore

etc etc

all under 30.

Also, I find it extremely ironic that people don't consider Brass a #2, yet they'll consider Stepan a #1. Frankly, both are #2's, one on the higher end and one on the lower end. Stepan has not proven he is a #1C yet, outside of the half season. When he has a 65-70 point year, that's when we can start considering him a #1.
 
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I'm a lefty and play LD and RW, too. I get all that. :)

"Natural" LW and RW isn't about what side a player prefers. It's about stick orientation. At least that's been my experience in playing organized hockey.

Here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/s...ckey-teams-direction-left-and-right.html?_r=0

I hear your argument. I believe Nash's bread and butter is taking the puck inside and getting shots off. He needs to be a constant shooting threat because that is what the Rangers (IMO) have the most need for. Streak down the wing, power move, get a shot off.

And that is much easier to accomplish on his off wing, vs easier passing / set up ability if he were to play LW. The Rangers have Zucc, MSL, Step to focus on setting up plays. They need Nash shooting.
 
Lol, that's not your point at all. Your point (if you can call it that) is that this team has disaster written all over it.

We still have a relatively young team. You have to have a mixture of vets and young players to win. The Rangers have that. Just because a player has been a professional for a while doesn't make him old

McD
Stepan
Hags
Kreider
Brass
Zucc
Staal
Moore

etc etc

all under 30.

Also, I find it extremely ironic that people don't consider Brass a #2, yet they'll consider Stepan a #1. Frankly, both are #2's, one on the higher end and one on the lower end. Stepan has not proven he is a #1C yet, outside of the half season. When he has a 65-70 point year, that's when we can start considering him a #1.
Ok so you think Stepan is a 1c on a most teams great teams, ok sure. He is a very nice player but common. And oh by the way, most if those guys that you mentioned are past #1 picks so that just goes to show you how important it is to hold onto you picks for the future.
So say what you want but you keep proving my point the more you write back! Lol!
 
Ok so you think Stepan is a 1c on a most teams great teams, ok sure. He is a very nice player but common. And oh by the way, most if those guys that you mentioned are past #1 picks so that just goes to show you how important it is to hold onto you picks for the future.
So say what you want but you keep proving my point the more you write back! Lol!

How are all those first round picks working in Edmonton. In Derek Stepan he is far from common
 
Ok so you think Stepan is a 1c on a most teams great teams, ok sure. He is a very nice player but common. And oh by the way, most if those guys that you mentioned are past #1 picks so that just goes to show you how important it is to hold onto you picks for the future.
So say what you want but you keep proving my point the more you write back! Lol!

And yet the only ones on that list that we drafted was Staal,Stepan Kreider and Hags.
 
Ok so you think Stepan is a 1c on a most teams great teams, ok sure. He is a very nice player but common. And oh by the way, most if those guys that you mentioned are past #1 picks so that just goes to show you how important it is to hold onto you picks for the future.
So say what you want but you keep proving my point the more you write back! Lol!

4 of those players are 1st round picks. Two of which we didn't even draft.

So your point is actually extremely nullified by this fact since even without those "picks" (which are far less valuable then you make them out to be, considering we're not talking about lottery picks) the Rangers are still MAGICALLY finding ways to get young, high end players onto their squad. Not to mention I didn't list every player on this team that's under 30.

If you don't value a SCF run and an Eastern Conference Champions win, I don't know what to tell you, other than that I doubt your interest in this team. Most anyone would gladly trade 2 first round picks for a trip to the finals.

Your post reeks of immaturity though, so I'm done here.
 

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