Confirmed with Link: Brassard re-signed (5 years, $5M per)

[Fletch]

An issue for him. Not the Rangers. He said he wanted a deal done by the summer because he didnt want to go through what Girardi and Callahan went through during the season.

He doesn't have an NMC or an NTC.

Good luck with that.

It's also an issue for the Rangers. It doesn't seem as though there is any way he can be afforded and he is a top four defenseman on this team; a team that thrived on defense and that may have taken a step back offensively on a team that was already offensively challenged. The only real option, aside from losing him to free agency, is trading him, and what's the value on what likely could be a rental? When is he traded and for what? He may be more valuable to the Rangers than to a trading partner. I see that as an issue for the Rangers. Staal? He can bolt for a UFA contract and make money. That's a decent fallback position for him.

 

[pld459666]

Over the last 4 years combined, Brassard ranks 42nd in terms of total points amongst all centers.

3 points behind Ryan O'Reilly,

Ahead of Dubinsky, Grabovski, Fisher, Ennis, Bozak, Vermette, J. Staal, Berglund, Turris


Rank Name 2013-14 2012-13 2011-12 2010-11 Totals
1 Claude 86 48 93 76 303
2 Stamkos 40 57 97 91 285
3 H. Sedin 50 45 81 94 270
4 Getz 87 49 57 76 269
5 Sid 104 56 37 66 263
6 Thornton 76 40 77 70 263
7 Kopitar 70 42 76 73 261
8 Tavares 66 47 81 67 261
9 E. Staal 61 53 70 76 260
10 Malkin 72 33 109 37 251
11 Toews 68 48 57 76 249
12 Pavelski 79 31 61 66 237
13 Backstrom 79 48 44 65 236
14 Ribeiro 47 49 63 71 230
15 B. Richards 51 34 66 77 228
16 Krejci 69 33 62 62 226
17 Bergeron 62 32 64 57 215
18 Spezza 66 5 84 57 212
19 Couture 54 37 65 56 212
20 Datsyuk 37 49 67 59 212
21 Duchene 70 43 28 67 208
22 Seguin 84 32 67 22 205
23 Backes 57 28 54 62 201
24 Stepan 57 44 51 45 197
25 M. Koivu 54 37 44 62 197
26 Stastny 60 24 53 57 194
27 Filppula 58 29 66 39 192
28 Little 64 32 46 48 190
29 Plekanec 43 33 52 57 185
30 Carter 50 33 34 66 183
31 Mike Richards 41 32 44 66 183
32 Nielsen 58 29 47 44 178
33 Kesler 43 13 49 73 178
34 Jokinen 43 14 61 54 172
35 Lecavalier 37 32 49 54 172
36 Legwand 51 25 53 41 170
37 Hudler 54 27 50 37 168
38 O'Reilly 64 20 55 26 165
39 Cammalleri 45 32 41 47 165
40 Gagner 37 38 47 42 164
41 Desharnais 52 28 60 22 162
42 Brassard 45 29 41 47 162
43 Grabovski 35 16 51 58 160
44 Dubinsky 50 20 34 54 158
45 Mike Fisher 49 21 51 36 157
46 Ennis 43 31 34 49 157
47 Bozak 49 28 47 32 156
48 J. Staal 40 31 50 30 151
49 Vermette 45 21 37 47 150
50 Berglund 32 25 38 52 147
51 Roy 37 28 44 35 144
52 Turris 58 29 29 25 141
53 Cullen 39 27 35 39 140
54 Johansson 44 22 46 27 139
55 S. Koivu 29 27 38 45 139
56 Anisimov 39 18 36 44 137
57 Hopkins 56 24 52 0 132
58 Cogliano 42 23 26 35 126
59 Hanzal 40 23 34 26 123
60 Hodgson 44 34 41 2 121
61 Zajac 48 20 6 44 118
62 Ott 23 24 39 32 118
63 Brodziak 24 12 44 37 117
64 Weiss 4 4 57 49 114
65 Kadri 50 44 7 12 113
66 Letestu 34 27 25 27 113
67 Laich 15 9 41 48 113
68 Henrique 43 16 51 0 110
69 Stajan 33 23 18 31 105
70 Perrault 43 17 30 14 104
71 Eller 26 30 28 17 101
72 Smith 52 12 36 0 100
73 Johansen 63 12 21 0 96
74 B. Schenn 41 26 18 2 87
75 Matthais 23 21 24 16 84
76 Bonino 49 13 18 0 80
77 Wellwood 0 15 47 13 75
78 Eakin 35 24 8 0 67
79 MacKinnon 63 0 0 0 63
80 Killorn 41 19 0 0 60
81 Galchenyuk 31 27 0 0 58
82 Johnson 50 6 0 0 56
83 Conacher 26 29 0 0 55
84 Soderberg 48 2 0 0 50

combined totals for the last 4 years.

Find Brassard and tell me he's not a 2nd line center

 

[JimmyG89]

If Brassard gets 17 minutes a night, 14ES and 3PP which is less than he got last season, he should get 50 points. His averages from last year say 49pts, but the slow start took down everyone's stats. I'm only giving him one point extra.

His PP time should go up now that Richards is gone. He ate up the entire pp.

 

[Fletch]

If Brassard gets 17 minutes a night, 14ES and 3PP which is less than he got last season, he should get 50 points. His averages from last year say 49pts, but the slow start took down everyone's stats. I'm only giving him one point extra.

I like Brassard, but I'm not sure it's as easy as extrapolating his minutes to say he will get more points. We likely will see this coming season, but he was behind a couple decent lines and typically didn't have to go up against top lines or defensive pairings. There is a difference between facing McDonagh/Girardi and Moore/Klein, and I really do not know how he will do against the tougher competition. He was in a great position with the Rangers. He was perfectly situated as the #3 centerman. If he is a focus, hopefully he can continue to produce as he has throughout much of his career.

 

[Trxjw]

After all the pissing and moaning from people about how we should hand out long-term deals that will look like a bargain in 3 or 4 years, I'm surprised to see so much vitriol regarding this deal.

It might be a bit pricey right now, but it should be at, or below market value for the majority of the term. Especially if Brassard can add an additional 5-10 points with more minutes. Don't kid yourself; Grabovski took a discount on Long Island to play with Kulemin, and his deal takes him to 36. Filppula got $5M per last summer after having one season in his career where he broke 50 points. He signed as a 29 year old.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

It's also an issue for the Rangers. It doesn't seem as though there is any way he can be afforded and he is a top four defenseman on this team; a team that thrived on defense and that may have taken a step back offensively on a team that was already offensively challenged. The only real option, aside from losing him to free agency, is trading him, and what's the value on what likely could be a rental? When is he traded and for what? He may be more valuable to the Rangers than to a trading partner. I see that as an issue for the Rangers. Staal? He can bolt for a UFA contract and make money. That's a decent fallback position for him.

I like Staal and he was great defensively in spurts in the postseason, but I'm of the opinion they can find a stay-at-home to replace his production/output via free agency.

A lot of going to depend on how well the Rangers start the season. If they have a good start and are one of the better teams in the league, their phone will be ringing off the hook since there are always teams who suck early on, fire coaches and trade a lot out of desperation.

Rangers' record the last four seasons without Marc Staal in the lineup:

2014: 4-5-1
2013: 15-10-2
2012: 23-9-4
2011: 3-2-0

Lots of factors involved. Coincidence? Maybe. The record last season was during the December when they were they lost 6 of 7 immediately after Staal was hurt against the Devils, but won 3 of 4 right before he returned and rode that streak into a half-season long surge.

Remains to be seen if the Rangers can even think about returning to the SCF if they lose Staal before the postseason.

Like I said, he doesnt have levrage. he can get traded anywhere, which is why he wants a deal done. He knows damn well he could be in Edmonton by March if the situation warranted.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

After all the pissing and moaning from people about how we should hand out long-term deals that will look like a bargain in 3 or 4 years, I'm surprised to see so much vitriol regarding this deal.

It might be a bit pricey right now, but it should be at, or below market value for the majority of the term. Especially if Brassard can add an additional 5-10 points with more minutes. Don't kid yourself; Grabovski took a discount on Long Island to play with Kulemin, and his deal takes him to 36. Filppula got $5M per last summer after having one season in his career where he broke 50 points. He signed as a 29 year old.

Yea but that pissing and moaning was for a cute little player like Zuccarello.

Not a generic player like Brassard who plays a tougher position and has produced in the NHL for longer.

 

[Trxjw]

I like Brassard, but I'm not sure it's as easy as extrapolating his minutes to say he will get more points. We likely will see this coming season, but he was behind a couple decent lines and typically didn't have to go up against top lines or defensive pairings. There is a difference between facing McDonagh/Girardi and Moore/Klein, and I really do not know how he will do against the tougher competition. He was in a great position with the Rangers. He was perfectly situated as the #3 centerman. If he is a focus, hopefully he can continue to produce as he has throughout much of his career.

I think between getting more ES minutes, and having a more competent player than Pouliot on his line, he should be able to add 5-10 more points. Entirely reasonable numbers for a #2C.

 

[Trainmman]

After all the pissing and moaning from people about how we should hand out long-term deals that will look like a bargain in 3 or 4 years, I'm surprised to see so much vitriol regarding this deal.

It might be a bit pricey right now, but it should be at, or below market value for the majority of the term. Especially if Brassard can add an additional 5-10 points with more minutes. Don't kid yourself; Grabovski took a discount on Long Island to play with Kulemin, and his deal takes him to 36. Filppula got $5M per last summer after having one season in his career where he broke 50 points. He signed as a 29 year old.

I think Brassard has room for improvement. I don't hate the deal and this isn't a Gomez, a Redden or a Drury signing... this is market value for a guy who points wise has produced like a 2nd line center (Credit to pld459666).

Let's face it, when you see some of the contracts given out over the last two offseasons, do you really think this guy was going to sign for anything less than 5 million??? Not a chance in hell.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Why would you take Berglund over Brassard? Berglund has always stuck me as painfully average.

If I had to, I would stomach it. He's played for a winning program and has been productive in limited minutes. He's also got size and has a cheaper cap hit.

If Berglung is painfully average, what's Brassard?

I mean, he's the 175th most productive player in the NHL. I guess he would be painfully painful in terms of Corsi.

 

[Fletch]

I like Staal and he was great defensively in spurts in the postseason, but I'm of the opinion they can find a stay-at-home to replace his production/output via free agency.

A lot of going to depend on how well the Rangers start the season. If they have a good start and are one of the better teams in the league, their phone will be ringing off the hook since there are always teams who suck early on, fire coaches and trade a lot out of desperation.

Rangers' record the last four seasons without Marc Staal in the lineup:

2014: 4-5-1
2013: 15-10-2
2012: 23-9-4
2011: 3-2-0

Lots of factors involved. Coincidence? Maybe. The record last season was during the December when they were they lost 6 of 7 immediately after Staal was hurt against the Devils, but won 3 of 4 right before he returned and rode that streak into a half-season long surge.

Remains to be seen if the Rangers can even think about returning to the SCF if they lose Staal before the postseason.

Like I said, he doesnt have levrage. he can get traded anywhere, which is why he wants a deal done. He knows damn well he could be in Edmonton by March if the situation warranted.

I understand he doesn't have leverage to remain a Ranger, but looking at it from Staal's point of view, if he stays healthy, he will have a nice payday next season, and it will be for a few seasons, so again, the downside is making $5-6MM for the next 5-6 seasons.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

combined totals for the last 4 years.

Find Brassard and tell me he's not a 2nd line center

He's the 175th best forward in the game. That means he's a 58th line center.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

He's the 175th best forward in the game. That means he's a 58th line center.

And considering theres 30 teams in the league, that means hes a.....c'mon, you are almost there.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If I had to, I would stomach it. He's played for a winning program and has been productive in limited minutes. He's also got size and has a cheaper cap hit.

If Berglung is painfully average, what's Brassard?

I mean, he's the 175th most productive player in the NHL. I guess he would be painfully painful in terms of Corsi.

You know I've been hard on Brass in this thread, but I take him over Berglund without hesitation.

I don't know any of Berglund's fancy stats. I haven't been impressed with him in anyway for like 4 years. He's kind of just there. I wouldn't say that of Brassard, who has stretches where he can take games over.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think between getting more ES minutes, and having a more competent player than Pouliot on his line, he should be able to add 5-10 more points. Entirely reasonable numbers for a #2C.

who is this more competent player than Pouliot? If you're talking about Stempniak, as much as I like the signing, Pouliot is the better player as of right now. And id expect Stempniak to slide in on that line.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

And considering theres 30 teams in the league, that means hes a.....c'mon, you are almost there.

Yeah I had a Chris Bosh moment. Still makes him a stickboy.

 

[Trxjw]

who is this more competent player than Pouliot? If you're talking about Stempniak, as much as I like the signing, Pouliot is the better player as of right now. And id expect Stempniak to slide in on that line.

If Brassard is the "#2C" I highly doubt they're slotting Stempniak onto that line. I expect it to be Kreider or Nash in that spot. And yes, I also believe that Stempniak is a more competent player than Pouliot.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

who is this more competent player than Pouliot? If you're talking about Stempniak, as much as I like the signing, Pouliot is the better player as of right now. And id expect Stempniak to slide in on that line.

You'd be dead wrong then.

Stempniak was signed for the third line. He's a *gasp* third liner.

The "more competent player than Pouliot" that he was referring to was Nash or Kreider, who will be on the LW with Brassard and Zuccarello.

Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Miller/Lindberg Stempniak


Those are your lines.

If you put Stempniak on the Brassard line (which is our 2nd line), then one of Kreider/Nash/St. Louis would be dropped down to the third line with a rookie center.

Stempniak is not a top-6 player on this team. The fact that you think he'd jump a player like Kreider or Nash is scary.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Yeah I had a Chris Bosh moment. Still makes him a stickboy.

Actually, it makes him a top 60 center in the NHL.

Yes, hes in the bottom rung of 2C's, but hes still capable. Its easy to look at it in a vacuum and be disappointed about it, but the reality is the Rangers have not, are not, and probably will not be super strong down the middle.

 

[Trainmman]

He's the 175th best forward in the game. That means he's a 58th line center.

Your throwing apples, oranges and pears in the same blender.. but in any instance he would be a 2nd liner, albeit a bottom of the barrel one.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Actually, it makes him a top 60 center in the NHL.

Yes, hes in the bottom rung of 2C's, but hes still capable. Its easy to look at it in a vacuum and be disappointed about it, but the reality is the Rangers have not, are not, and probably will not be super strong down the middle.

I was being sarcastic towards the advanced stats nugget that he was 175th in the NHL in terms of per 60 production.

I've been supporting the contract and Brassard the whole thread.

I'm the last guy on this thread who's disappointed.

 

[bernmeister]

skipped the last 7 pp.
latest back there was modified NMC.

Capgeek shows nothing.
Anybody have any official word.

Exactly how much NTC/NMC does he have if any?

We can make the 5/5 work if we trade him when we have to.

Also anyone know what the max ELC is?
We need this much to sign Hayes defecting from Hawks.
Do we have it?

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

I don't even see how he's in the bottom rung of 2C's.

He's a typical 2C.

45 points is typical 2C production.

Are we including players like Malkin in the 2C category because he plays behind Crosby?

Some teams have two capable 1C's.

Spezza isn't a 2C, even though he's behind Seguin.
Malkin isn't a 2C.
Pavelski isn't a 2C, even though he's behind Thornton.

As far as actual 2C's go, Brassard is right in the middle of the pack.

I don't get this "bottom of the barrel" nonsense.

45 points is exactly what your typical 2C is expected to score.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Your throwing apples, oranges and pears in the same blender.. but in any instance he would be a 2nd liner, albeit a bottom of the barrel one.

Like I said on the main board, of all the 3rd line centers in the NHL last season, only Carl Soderberg had more points in less ice time.

An attempt to refute that with advanced stats claimed his point total was against lesser competition, and he was only good on the power play.

My point this whole thread has been that even at his worst, Brassard is arguably the best (and only) option to anchor either the 2nd or 3rd line, and that since he's been here, he was clearly one of the top-3 Rangers forwards over two lengthy postseasons in terms of point production. In fact, I think his 24 points in 34/35 playoff games the last two seasons IS the most by a Rangers forward in that span.

Take away his 9 points in 7 games against the Caps, and he still has 15 points in 27/28 games, which would still rank him ahead of any Rangers forward the last two combined postseasons, if you took away any other players' best seven games (to be fair).

Trust me, I fully agree that Derick Brassard is a very good option for this team as we speak.

 

[AHB*]

If Brassard is the "#2C" I highly doubt they're slotting Stempniak onto that line. I expect it to be Kreider or Nash in that spot. And yes, I also believe that Stempniak is a more competent player than Pouliot.

Rangers don't run a traditional 1,2,3,4.

I mean technically that line was the 3rd line last year, but in reality it was probably our best or 2nd best.

Was MSL a third liner for us last year, because that's what line he was playing on.

Personally, I'd hope to see either Nash or Kreider with Zucc and Brass, but I'm going to assume we'll see Stemps their instead.

Stemps-Miller-Lombardi is not really ideal IMO.