Brandon Prust | 2 | This is the end

[coldsteel79]

I just can't understand why he doesn't do anything. Does not try and start anything, never see him even arguing with the opposition. Benning and Co have to feel completely let down by him.

Especially in a contract year, he's out to lunch if he thinks he's gonna get a contract offer if this is how he's playing

 

[VanillaCoke]

Rather have sestito

 

[Hit the post]

I just can't understand why he doesn't do anything. Does not try and start anything, never see him even arguing with the opposition. Benning and Co have to feel completely let down by him.

Sets a bad example (hardly the type of behavior you want to see from an old NHL vet - in front of guys like Horvat or Baertschi - eg., if you don't get your way - just whine, etc.,)

Worst part of it is.....this is how Prust repays the Canucks. Hopefully it ticks off Benning enough to not even give Prust a contract extension offer.

 

[coldsteel79]

If he was well liked by the org he wouldn't be healthy scratched, he's not getting resigned here

 

[Hit the post]

If he was well liked by the org he wouldn't be healthy scratched, he's not getting resigned here

We can only hope....(best case scenario, Benning is able to unload him to a team for a draft pick - I don't care how low it is - at the trading deadline; this latest incident didn't make that job any easier).

 

[Regal]

As bad as Prust is, he had a stretch of games where you could see the player he used to be. There was some potential being on a new team and in a contract year would squeeze a decent season out of Prust. Obviously didn't happen, but there weren't any other deals for Kassian (that we know about) on the table, and Kassian needed a change of scenery. Didn't work out for us, but if it does for Zack, then it was worth it imo.

It's funny that no one seems to remember this. He was actually pretty solid before his injury, showing a decent passing touch and cycling ability. He hasn't been able to get back up to speed again since then, but if he never got hurt, I doubt he'd be talked about as he has been lately. I don't think his poor play since he's been back is from a lack of effort so much as just not being able to get where he needs to be.

 

[Hit the post]

It's funny that no one seems to remember this. He was actually pretty solid before his injury, showing a decent passing touch and cycling ability. He hasn't been able to get back up to speed again since then, but if he never got hurt, I doubt he'd be talked about as he has been lately. I don't think his poor play since he's been back is from a lack of effort so much as just not being able to get where he needs to be.

Prust had to play a style that was like 'burning both ends of a candle" to be effective. His body just can't take it anymore (for any lengthy period of time) - the Habs knew that; why else would they dump him for a guy with known issues?

You should've seen the version of Prust before shoulder injury (as a Hab)....night and day difference. Never really was the same player IMHO

 

[MarkMM]

So for all those justifying Prust's acquisition because he'll set a good example for our younger players...???

 

[VanillaCoke]

So for all those justifying Prust's acquisition because he'll set a good example for our younger players...???

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1921885&highlight=prust+kassian

Edit. The first 20 pages of that are great.
Especially the first ~5 when the return is being guessed.
Pure gold!

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

So for all those justifying Prust's acquisition because he'll set a good example for our younger players...???

I remember when a few unnamed individuals kept saying it was great because of the pick we will get at the deadline.

I said, don't give benning credit for things that haven't happened yet...

 

[pahlsson]

i still like him better than dorsett

just too bad he can't skate

 

[SillyRabbit]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1921885&highlight=prust+kassian

Edit. The first 20 pages of that are great.
Especially the first ~5 when the return is being guessed.
Pure gold!

Page 7 (50 posts per page) is where people realize that we also gave up a 5th in addition to Kassian.

Page 13 if you're at 25 posts per page.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Page 7 (50 posts per page) is where people realize that we also gave up a 5th in addition to Kassian.

Page 13 if you're at 25 posts per page.

People guessing at 2nd, 3rd rounders, eller, tinordi..... Oh man the disappointment.

 

[Peter10]

Hehe even Jimson said "thats bad" when he found out that its the Canucks who gave up the pick and not Montreal.

 

[Zombotron]

>tfw your league-minimum PTO walk-on ends up being a better friend and mentor to the young guys than the whining, pouting mentor-sucks making 3.5 and 4 times his salary, respectively

(Exhibit A, Exhibit B)

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adam cracknell is a good dude

blah blah blah what am i saying, i concede that i made a mistake in thinking that prust would have any chance of being an effective fourth-liner or a mentor

i'm going to go watch the video of prust getting speedbagged by rick rypien and not feel guilty about it

 

[coldsteel79]

>tfw your league-minimum PTO walk-on ends up being a better friend and mentor to the young guys than the whining, pouting mentor-sucks making 3.5 and 4 times his salary, respectively

(Exhibit A, Exhibit B)

----

adam cracknell is a good dude

blah blah blah what am i saying, i concede that i made a mistake in thinking that prust would have any chance of being an effective fourth-liner or a mentor

i'm going to go watch the video of prust getting speedbagged by rick rypien and not feel guilty about it

The crappy thing is he was considered a good teammate in Montreal, he's acting like a spoiled brat here, I hope they can resign crack for another cheap contract, he's a great guy.

 

[Jay Cee]

Hmph. I thought he was around to mentor the guys on how to prepare for sitting in the press box. Not very good mentoring from Prusty here.

 

[TheWolf*]

Hmph. I thought he was around to mentor the guys on how to prepare for sitting in the press box. Not very good mentoring from Prusty here.

Ugh, mentoring jokes now? We have moved off "good in scrums!" and "1-2-3-4!!!" and are now inserting mentoring jokes in every second post. Enough. It's aggravating, stupid and not humorous.

 

[brokenhole]

Looks like the mentorpede dropped a big deuce in NY.

 

[m9]

Ugh, mentoring jokes now? We have moved off "good in scrums!" and "1-2-3-4!!!" and are now inserting mentoring jokes in every second post. Enough. It's aggravating, stupid and not humorous.

Don't forget "Meat and Potatoes" jokes, or my personal favorite the made up "back and forth interaction" between Benning and another GM explaining how dumb Benning is. Classic stuff!

 

[TheWolf*]

Looks like the mentorpede dropped a big deuce in NY.

LOL!!!!! "Mentorpede!!!!" Stop!! My face hurts from laughing! Mentorpede. Wow...LOL. Bravo!!!

 

[Tinhorn1]

I expect he'll be waived. Or we'll hear that they've 'patched things up' and he'll stay around.

The guy is completely done. No team has pro scouting THAT bad, do they?

Canucks?

 

[MS]

Your logic leaps like a frog on a hot stove.

Just because Benning wanted to add another willing combatant to the roster doesn't mean he decided to make Prust for Kassian happen no matter what. You can't just ignore how long Kassian was rumoured to have been shopped. This doesn't equate to Benning holding out for Prust because Prust was their target.

You also can't ignore how complicated addiction treatment is. That's the most important element in all this, and one that is being reduced to irrelevant in this discussion. Seen it posted numerous times that Benning "should have just checked him into rehab." As if it was just that easy. One key to overcoming addiction is changing habits. How many times have you heard a smoker trying to quit saying "it's hardest after a meal or with my morning coffee." This speaks to the habit side of addiction, not just the physical side.

Montreal was willing to take a chance on Kassian, and Prust filled an identified need. Thus the deal got done. Doesn't mean Benning wouldn't have taken a different return for Kassian, but there's been zero rumours I've seen of other deals being available. And clearing waivers shows just how low Kassians league wide appeal is. Everything about this deal says moving Kassian was the priority, the return was secondary. Prust happened to kill 2 birds with one stone as he was the type of player they were looking to add, and it allowed them to move Kassian. No evidence to suggest they were targeting Prust over other offered deals though.

As bad as Prust is, he had a stretch of games where you could see the player he used to be. There was some potential being on a new team and in a contract year would squeeze a decent season out of Prust. Obviously didn't happen, but there weren't any other deals for Kassian (that we know about) on the table, and Kassian needed a change of scenery. Didn't work out for us, but if it does for Zack, then it was worth it imo.

I'm sorry, but this is hilarious.

My logic is based on facts. Benning outright said he'd promised Dorsett he'd get another fighter, and that the acquisition of Prust was a delivery on that promise. Linden outright said that Prust was a player they'd had their eye on and targeted for some time. That they wanted Prust and targeted Prust is as simple as 1+1=2.

Your logic is a fairytale of denial, with absolutely zero evidence to support it. St. Jimbo generously giving Kassian a fresh start at the expense of the club, in exchange for a player they never really wanted. What a great guy!

That there were no other deals available for Kassian is an invention by you with nothing to support it.

That Benning was trying to do Kassian a favour at the expense of the team is an invention by you with nothing to support it.

You have no idea what Kassian's personal situation was at the time and are just guessing.

 

[TheWolf*]

I'm sorry, but this is hilarious.

My logic is based on facts. Benning outright said he'd promised Dorsett he'd get another fighter, and that the acquisition of Prust was a delivery on that promise. Linden outright said that Prust was a player they'd had their eye on and targeted for some time. That they wanted Prust and targeted Prust is as simple as 1+1=2.

Your logic is a fairytale of denial, with absolutely zero evidence to support it. St. Jimbo generously giving Kassian a fresh start at the expense of the club, in exchange for a player they never really wanted. What a great guy!

That there were no other deals available for Kassian is an invention by you with nothing to support it.

That Benning was trying to do Kassian a favour at the expense of the team is an invention by you with nothing to support it.

You have no idea what Kassian's personal situation was at the time and are just guessing.

It would appear that Kassian had no value. I am pretty sure there was a leak from the Canucks that he was offered around the league during the season last year, but there was no interest. He was then traded for Prust, who is was essentially a cap dump almost, and the Canucks even had to sweeten the pot with a pick. Kassian then continued to spiral and was eventually waived whereby any team in the NHL could have taken him for the cost of a paltry 1.9M? for just this season, yet no one took him.

The Canucks targeted a scrappy type player to complement Dorsett.....Kassian ended up being the means to acquire that player. The Canucks did not deal Kassian as a "favour" for Kassian's sake....he had nearly no value and they filled a need they thought they had with him when the opportunity arose.

 

[alternate]

I'm sorry, but this is hilarious.

My logic is based on facts. Benning outright said he'd promised Dorsett he'd get another fighter, and that the acquisition of Prust was a delivery on that promise. Linden outright said that Prust was a player they'd had their eye on and targeted for some time. That they wanted Prust and targeted Prust is as simple as 1+1=2.

Your logic is a fairytale of denial, with absolutely zero evidence to support it. St. Jimbo generously giving Kassian a fresh start at the expense of the club, in exchange for a player they never really wanted. What a great guy!

That there were no other deals available for Kassian is an invention by you with nothing to support it.

That Benning was trying to do Kassian a favour at the expense of the team is an invention by you with nothing to support it.

You have no idea what Kassian's personal situation was at the time and are just guessing.

No idea what Kassian's personal life was like? No, but we know he was in stage 1, was apparently on the market for a while, didn't return much, got in a bad situation soon after being dealt, and cleared waivers. We can infer some things from these events.

I wouldn't say "did a favour." More, what's best for both sides.

If there were other offers on the table, why no rumours? I mean factor in the return + time Kassian was on the market and there's at least circumstantial evidence.

I never said they didn't want Prust, I said he wasn't necessarily targeted. But "target" is ambiguous, maybe you can define what you mean. When I read target, I think you mean they had Prust on a short list of players they would accept in return for Kassian. That there were other options on the table, but Benning preferred to hold out until he could pry Prust from Montreal. In other words, if Prust wasn't part of the deal, Benning would have just held on to Kassian. I'd say there's zero evidence to support that position.

The way I feel it went down, after offering Kassian around the league for a while with no takers, Montreal expressed a willingness to take a chance on Zack. But it would have to be a buy low deal. That's when Prust became a target because he filled a role Benning identified as a need. You make it sound like Benning wouldn't deal Kassian unless the return was Prust, I see it as Benning was willing to take Prust because he at least filled a role they wanted to fill.

If you have any evidence Benning chose Prust over other potential deals, I'd like to see it. All evidence I'm aware of suggests Kassian was viewed as a toxic asset around the league. Prust filled an identified need but wasn't a piece they held on to Kassian until they could pry out of Montreal.