Value of: Brady Tkachuk

[Barsky]

On the one hand, Matthew is good for about 20 points more a year. On the other hand, Matthew has an extra 2 years of term. On the other other hand, Matthew is excellent defensively while Brady sucks.
It's not close.


Trading Tkachuk+ for a player's UFA rights would quite possibly be the worst move of all time.

Ya well you're clearly not a NHL GM, cause they mostly played the game and overvalue bigger players by default. You're also overstating things by saying MT is awesome on D vs Brady sucking, but I get it, you're trying to prove a point. It's closer than you think, size and durability matter, a lot more to GM's than to you it seems, agree to disagree. And Patrick said an extended Rantanen, not his UFA rights, besides, as long as said UFA signs, that's completely moot

 

[dgibb10]

Ya well you're clearly not a NHL GM, cause they mostly played the game and overvalue bigger players by default. You're also overstating things by saying MT is awesome on D vs Brady sucking, but I get it, you're trying to prove a point. It's closer than you think, size and durability matter, a lot more to GM's than to you it seems, agree to disagree. And Patrick said an extended Rantanen, not his UFA rights, besides, as long as said UFA signs, that's completely moot

NHL GMs value physicality, but not when Matthew Tkachuk is already plenty physical enough.

Matthew Tkachuk is excellent defensively
Brady Tkachuk is poor defensively

"durability" Matthew has played virtually every game the last 6 years, including a number of deep playoff runs.

Brady Tkachuk is more physical, but what does it accomplish. You win hockey games by generating offense and stopping the other team from doing so. Physicality can be used as a tool to accomplish that, but end the end, what matters is the end result.

Matthew Tkachuk is significantly better at generating offense, and significantly better at defense. Making him a significantly better hockey player

Ya well you're clearly not a NHL GM, cause they mostly played the game and overvalue bigger players by default. You're also overstating things by saying MT is awesome on D vs Brady sucking, but I get it, you're trying to prove a point. It's closer than you think, size and durability matter, a lot more to GM's than to you it seems, agree to disagree. And Patrick said an extended Rantanen, not his UFA rights, besides, as long as said UFA signs, that's completely moot

Onto this point, an "extended Rantanen" isn't real in the offseason.

Some examples of these trades are Guentzel for a 3rd round pick or severson for a 3rd round pick.

Colorado doesn't have any control.

If you would give up Brady Tkachuk+ for a guy you could get for free by just waiting a week, you would be the worst GM in NHL history, by far.

And if your thought process is that Rantanen wouldn't sign in Ottawa but would sign in Colorado, let me introduce you to something called an NMC, which Rantanen's contract will 100% have and block any kind of bait and switch by colorado like this

 

[Thechozen1]

Just the type of player the Jets need. Send him home for some grandparents cooking.

 

[PatrickMcC]

On the one hand, Matthew is good for about 20 points more a year. On the other hand, Matthew has an extra 2 years of term. On the other other hand, Matthew is excellent defensively while Brady sucks.
It's not close.


Trading Tkachuk+ for a player's UFA rights would quite possibly be the worst move of all time.

I did say for an extended Rantanen

I did say for an extended Rantanen

Also the plus would be small in this case nothing super substantial

 

[dgibb10]

I did say for an extended Rantanen


Also the plus would be small in this case nothing super substantial

I don't think you understand how UFA rights work.

In this scenario of an "extended rantanen" do you think Ottawa is Rantanen's preferred destination?

Because if it is, there is no need to trade for him when you can just sign him (or again, a deal like Guentzel UFA rights for a 3rd)

And if it isn't, Rantanen does not agree to this sign and trade, either by not signing the contract with Colorado and choosing his UFA destination, or by using his trade protections.

Or do you think Colorado is going to somehow lie to Rantanen and his agent convincing him to sign an extension and then ship him off to Ottawa immediately after?

 

[sensfan4lifee]

If I was the Sens I'd be calling up Bill Guerin offering Brady straight up for Kaprisov, Guerin loves size Brady has it. Brady for Rantanen works to if he will extend here. He's not getting Nemec from the Devils there is no way they'd do that 1 for 1.

From Buffalo it would probably be a package of Benson + Kulich and a 1st and I'd consider doing it.

From Detroit - Raymond + Wallinder and for Brady would work, but were in no way getting a first added in.

Canes - Canes fans are delusional if they think there getting Brady without Nikishkin coming back, but I'd consider Necas, Morrow and a 1st

Philly - I think a package of Konecny, Bonk and a top 5 protected first would be interesting

Seattle - Larsson, Wright and Sale for Brady would be an ok haul

Preferably getting a skilled player back would be the ideal 1 for 1 trade

 

[Crow]

NHL GMs value physicality, but not when Matthew Tkachuk is already plenty physical enough.

Matthew Tkachuk is excellent defensively
Brady Tkachuk is poor defensively

"durability" Matthew has played virtually every game the last 6 years, including a number of deep playoff runs.

Brady Tkachuk is more physical, but what does it accomplish. You win hockey games by generating offense and stopping the other team from doing so. Physicality can be used as a tool to accomplish that, but end the end, what matters is the end result.

Matthew Tkachuk is significantly better at generating offense, and significantly better at defense. Making him a significantly better hockey player

I have never heard anyone say Brady is poor defensively except for you repeating a couple times in here. Is there some evidence of this or just your opinion?

Also why are you bringing up Matthews durability? Is Brady missing a lot of games I don’t know about?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Two more goals tonight.

13 points in 9 games.

you heard that boys,

price just went up.

 

[Mike Liut]

These STL Tkachuk boys need to come home and play for their home team together with their buddy Robert Thomas.

 

[PatrickMcC]

I don't think you understand how UFA rights work.

In this scenario of an "extended rantanen" do you think Ottawa is Rantanen's preferred destination?

Because if it is, there is no need to trade for him when you can just sign him (or again, a deal like Guentzel UFA rights for a 3rd)

And if it isn't, Rantanen does not agree to this sign and trade, either by not signing the contract with Colorado and choosing his UFA destination, or by using his trade protections.

Or do you think Colorado is going to somehow lie to Rantanen and his agent convincing him to sign an extension and then ship him off to Ottawa immediately after?

No I meant for an extended Rantanen who agreed to a sign and trade. I understand the rules of UFA. I just don’t think that you understand the rules of UFA if you claim that those are the only options for Rantanen

 

[BlueGoose27]

Just the type of player the Jets need. Send him home for some grandparents cooking.

lol I said this on puck media…send him back to his routes. Mom wants him to spend quality time w grandparents. Plus this is where it all started for the Tkachuk’s. Without his mom, there’s no Brady lol. Least he could do is show his appreciation for Winnipeg.

 

[dgibb10]

No I meant for an extended Rantanen who agreed to a sign and trade. I understand the rules of UFA. I just don’t think that you understand the rules of UFA if you claim that those are the only options for Rantanen

And again, the value of a sign and trade like that to get the 8th year is a 3rd round pick, MAYBE a second for a player of Rantanen's caliber.

If you think Brady Tkachuk is worth less than a 3rd round pick, that's on you.

This isn't the NBA where sign and trades allow you to exceed the salary cap.

 

[dgibb10]

I have never heard anyone say Brady is poor defensively except for you repeating a couple times in here. Is there some evidence of this or just your opinion?

Also why are you bringing up Matthews durability? Is Brady missing a lot of games I don’t know about?

His defensive metrics are pretty horrible, and the eye test says the same.

The only reason he's not more known for being bad defensively like other all offense wingers is because he #HITZ, which people get confused with actually being defensively sound (in fact, chasing hits leaves him out of position constantly which is a part of why he struggles defensively).

I brought up Matthew's durability because someone used durability as a point in Brady's favour when comparing their values, which is incredibly disingenious considering both have been equally durable.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Incorrect, it means alot, the bigger you are, the more mass you have, therefore the less impact that said physicality has on your body. Case in point, Matthew's injury history vs Brady's. Matthew has already missed half the Cats' games this year, or in other words, he's missed more games in the last 3 weeks than Brady has in the last 6 seasons. The most important ability is availability

Matt has missed 10 games for Florida

he has scored 204pts with Florida

Brady has missed 1 game for Ottawa

He has scored 170pts in that same time for Ottawa

there is no world where Brady has been the better or more valuable player

 

[Andrei79]

Ottawa isn't trading Tkachuk, what is this ?

 

[Crow]

His defensive metrics are pretty horrible, and the eye test says the same.

The only reason he's not more known for being bad defensively like other all offense wingers is because he #HITZ, which people get confused with actually being defensively sound (in fact, chasing hits leaves him out of position constantly which is a part of why he struggles defensively).

I brought up Matthew's durability because someone used durability as a point in Brady's favour when comparing their values, which is incredibly disingenious considering both have been equally durable.

Interesting. Whose defensive metrics are you looking at? Everything I see is super old.

 

[Barsky]

Matt has missed 10 games for Florida

he has scored 204pts with Florida

Brady has missed 1 game for Ottawa

He has scored 170pts in that same time for Ottawa

there is no world where Brady has been the better or more valuable player

Ya, they're both young still, bodies take time to break down, just ask Shea Weber.

 

[Barsky]

His defensive metrics are pretty horrible, and the eye test says the same.

The only reason he's not more known for being bad defensively like other all offense wingers is because he #HITZ, which people get confused with actually being defensively sound (in fact, chasing hits leaves him out of position constantly which is a part of why he struggles defensively).

I brought up Matthew's durability because someone used durability as a point in Brady's favour when comparing their values, which is incredibly disingenious considering both have been equally durable.

No, Brady has been more durable, that's just fact. Matthew was completely useless in their first cup run cause he was very hurt and he's now missed half the Cats games this year. Given the physical game he plays, this will be a growing trend as the years pass, as has been the case with countless players b4 him. Brady is bigger, so his body can take more as he's more often the bigger mass in any collision, it's just basic physics

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Casey and other assets.

I think NJ would be a realistic destination if they move him. Something like Nemec + Mercer + picks from either side to make it even.

 

[dgibb10]

Interesting. Whose defensive metrics are you looking at? Everything I see is super old.

His expected goal metrics against are quite bad, even in comparison to the rest of Ottawa (so no "it's his team" excuse).

Again, he's a net positive overall because he is an excellent offensive play driver (not to the level of Matthew but anyway), but he is not good defensively. He should be viewed more like a Keller/Bratt/Fiala in terms of value (excellent offensively, below average/poor defensively), but he is vastly overrated in that area bc #HITZZZZ

People jump to Matthew because they are brothers, but Brady's results are much more similar to a comp of Timo Meier.

slightly below PPG, 0.5 GPG guys with great play driving on bad teams, both 26 (assuming Brady is traded in this coming offseason).

 

[nbwingsfan]

Ya, they're both young still, bodies take time to break down, just ask Shea Weber.

So you’re valuing Tkachuk based on future future injuries that haven’t happened yet?

David backes- big physical guy who’s body broke down

Milan Lucic- big physical guy who’s body broke down

It’s almost like your “point” is complete BS?

 

[nbwingsfan]

No, Brady has been more durable, that's just fact. Matthew was completely useless in their first cup run cause he was very hurt and he's now missed half the Cats games this year. Given the physical game he plays, this will be a growing trend as the years pass, as has been the case with countless players b4 him. Brady is bigger, so his body can take more as he's more often the bigger mass in any collision, it's just basic physics

Over three entire seasons, Brady has played a whopping 9 regular season games.

Over that time span, Matthew has played an extra like 50 playoff games.

So no, Matthew actually has more games played.

And completely useless? You mean the playoffs were hd 11g and 24pts in 20 games? With like 6 GWG?

I’m actually curious if you even watch hockey?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Woll has less pedigree. But he's better. Anyways, let's not derail this thread further.

lol, he’s not even the best leaf goalie.

Over three entire seasons, Brady has played a whopping 9 regular season games.

lol, what?

 

[BHFAN92]

Blackhawks offer Oliver Moore, Kevin Korchinski Toronto 2025 1st and Chicago 2026 1st

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'd trade a lot for him, but its the habs, so whatever that is Ottawa and their fans would want even more and wouldn't blame them.

If he's dealt, it's almost certainly a west coast team.

Demidov?