Value of: Brady Tkachuk to the highest bidder (before July 1st)

[FinlandPanther]

What I would I give to get him on the Panthers. The crying would be delicious.

 

[Crede777]

I'd like to see Columbus go after him but honestly I don't think they'd have the pieces since they just moved Jiricek and since Lindstrom is still sidelined.

Only untouchables IMO would be Fantilli and Werenski. What does that leave?
At center you'd have Monahan (no interest to Ottawa) and Sillinger.
At wing you'd have Marchenko, Chinakhov, and Kent Johnson. While Johnson looks like a star, he's been injured so much the last 2 seasons that you'd be selling low on him. I doubt Ottawa is interested in a Russian at this point in time.
At D you have Provorov (UFA), Severson (bad), Fabbro, and Mateychuk (our top D prospect).

Unless Ottawa is in love with Sillinger and would want to take Sillinger + Mateychuk + CBJ 1st 2025 (lottery protected) then I don't see a move.

 

[dgibb10]

Sign and trades happen semi-frequently, whether they are expressed as such or not is somewhat irrelevant. Karlsson and Stone immediately come to mind as examples.

This thread states before the July 1st and does not specifically mention the off-season.

Stone got Brannstrom, Lindberg and a 2nd. Hardly an example of an extension leading to a massive payment

Karlsson played a full year in SJS before signing his new contract. Not a sign and trade in the slightest.

The thread states "after missing the playoffs again".

The concept of an "extended rental" is something fans use to cope, rather than something that meaningfully increases trade values.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

I'd like to see Columbus go after him but honestly I don't think they'd have the pieces since they just moved Jiricek and since Lindstrom is still sidelined.

Only untouchables IMO would be Fantilli and Werenski. What does that leave?
At center you'd have Monahan (no interest to Ottawa) and Sillinger.
At wing you'd have Marchenko, Chinakhov, and Kent Johnson. While Johnson looks like a star, he's been injured so much the last 2 seasons that you'd be selling low on him. I doubt Ottawa is interested in a Russian at this point in time.
At D you have Provorov (UFA), Severson (bad), Fabbro, and Mateychuk (our top D prospect).

Unless Ottawa is in love with Sillinger and would want to take Sillinger + Mateychuk + CBJ 1st 2025 (lottery protected) then I don't see a move.

Columbus would have to be absolutely crazy to move Mateychuk or Johnson.

 

[Hale The Villain]

A deal based around McTavish would be fine by me as a Sens fan

Could see a package based around Mercer + Nemec from the Devils if they can make it work cap-wise

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

McAvoy 1 for 1 for Brady is probably the best case scenario for both teams if they want to trade mentioned players.

 

[dgibb10]

A deal based around McTavish would be fine by me as a Sens fan

Could see a package based around Mercer + Nemec from the Devils if they can make it work cap-wise

I'd recommend looking at literally any trade from like the past decade.

And then lower your expectations.

 

[Perratrooper]

The real question is, would Rantanen want to sign a deal just to get traded?

The trade would be based upon the acceptance of Rantanen willing to go to Ottawa. Not so much Colorado re-signing him and then trading him. I’m using sign and trade as a quick summary of an extended Rantanen for Tkachuk.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I'd recommend looking at literally any trade from like the past decade.

And then lower your expectations.

How many PPG powerforwards in the last decade have been traded in their prime?

Only name that comes to mind is his brother Matthew, and he returned a guy coming off of a 115P season, a defenseman coming off a 44P season and a 1st round pick.

Brady is going to return an absolute haul if traded because old school NHL GMs absolutely adore players like him and do desperate things to acquire them.

 

[BHFAN92]

to Blackhawks: Tkachuk to Ottawa: Korchinski, Oliver Moore, 2026 1st rd pick #1ova protected

 

[Perratrooper]

Stone got Brannstrom, Lindberg and a 2nd. Hardly an example of an extension leading to a massive payment

Karlsson played a full year in SJS before signing his new contract. Not a sign and trade in the slightest.

The thread states "after missing the playoffs again".

The concept of an "extended rental" is something fans use to cope, rather than something that meaningfully increases trade values.

Okay so you concede that sign and trades happen with agreed contracts being in place.

It may state after missing the playoffs again, but why not try to optimize value for Tkachuk if the Sens are likely out of it by the trade deadline. It does not expressly state off-season and therefore I would interpret it as the end of Sens playoff chances this season, with the thread overall relying on the Sens likely missing this year.

I’m not sure how suggesting Colorado trades Rantanen is coping though, but go off my dude.

 

[dgibb10]

How many PPG powerforwards in the last decade have been traded in their prime?

Only name that comes to mind is his brother Matthew, and he returned a guy coming off of a 115P season, a defenseman coming off a 44P season and a 1st round pick.

Brady is going to return an absolute haul if traded because old school NHL GMs absolutely adore players like him and do desperate things to acquire them.

Timo Meier comes to mind immediately.

Meier in the 2 years prior to trade:
0.955 ppg, 0.492 gpg

Brady Tkachuk this year and last year
0.971 ppg, 0.476 gpg

 

[dgibb10]

Okay so you concede that sign and trades happen with agreed contracts being in place.

It may state after missing the playoffs again, but why not try to optimize value for Tkachuk if the Sens are likely out of it by the trade deadline. It does not expressly state off-season and therefore I would interpret it as the end of Sens playoff chances this season, with the thread overall relying on the Sens likely missing this year.

I’m not sure how suggesting Colorado trades Rantanen is coping though, but go off my dude.

Sign and trades occur. They do not lead to meaningful changes in value.

It's copium to assume you could get Rantanen to sign off on going from a contender to a dumpster.

It's copium to assume that this magical extension makes his value go way up. You're trying to sell a rental to a team that in this case is actively selling by pretending a magical extension will change everything.

 

[Perratrooper]

Sign and trades occur. They do not lead to meaningful changes in value.

It's copium to assume you could get Rantanen to sign off on going from a contender to a dumpster.

It's copium to assume that this magical extension makes his value go way up. You're trying to sell a rental to a team that in this case is actively selling by pretending a magical extension will change everything.

I guess if it’s considering copium to keep Rantanen then we really have different ideas of the term

Lmao yeah an extended player with team control isn’t worth more than a player who is a pending UFA

 

[dgibb10]

I guess if it’s considering copium to keep Rantanen then we really have different ideas of the term

Lmao yeah an extended player with team control isn’t worth more than a player who is a pending UFA

Signing a player to a UFA market value extension does not add meaningful value.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Timo Meier comes to mind immediately.

Meier in the 2 years prior to trade:
0.955 ppg, 0.492 gpg

Brady Tkachuk this year and last year
0.971 ppg, 0.476 gpg

I'd argue Meier isn't that comparable to Tkachuk as a powerforward for the reason that he doesn't fight very much (usually one time a year), while Tkachuk is a legit heavyweight.

You can say it shouldn't matter much, and I'd agree with you, but NHL GMs clearly think it is tremendously valuable and are willing to pay for it.

I'd point to what Anderson and Jeannot were able to return, despite having terrible seasons.

 

[Crede777]

Columbus would have to be absolutely crazy to move Mateychuk or Johnson.

Totally agree on Johnson. I think for Mateychuk (safely projected as a top-4 in a year and could potentially end up top pairing) it's close but you gotta give to get and Brady Tkachuk would be an amazing get.

 

[dgibb10]

I'd argue Meier isn't that comparable to Tkachuk as a powerforward for the reason that he doesn't fight very much (usually one time a year), while Tkachuk is a legit heavyweight.

You can say it shouldn't matter much, and I'd agree with you, but NHL GMs clearly think it is tremendously valuable and are willing to pay for it.

I'd point to what Anderson and Jeannot were able to return, despite having terrible seasons.

NHL gms are willing to pay for it, but the amount is vastly overstated.

It doesn't move you to an entirely different bracket, especially when most of the fights are having to answer the bell for your own stupid antics.

What do you think NHL gms value more?

the difference between Excellent defense and poor defense, and about 20 points. (eg the difference between brady and matthew)

Or

a few fights a year, most of which are answering the bell for your own dirty actions rather than defending anyone (eg the difference between Brady and Timo)

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I'd argue Meier isn't that comparable to Tkachuk as a powerforward for the reason that he doesn't fight very much (usually one time a year), while Tkachuk is a legit heavyweight.

You can say it shouldn't matter much, and I'd agree with you, but NHL GMs clearly think it is tremendously valuable and are willing to pay for it.

I'd point to what Anderson and Jeannot were able to return, despite having terrible seasons.

not only that but if Meiers name was captain Timo Tkachuk it would have been a different return.

 

[dgibb10]

not only that but if Meiers name was captain Timo Tkachuk it would have been a different return.

Alright, then we can go to the Matthew return and subtract for the fact that Brady is significantly less productive and significantly worse defensively?

 

[ole ole]

Would love him on the Habs but i have no idea on what to offer, I would start with our 1st [top 2 ] protected ,Reinbacher and another plus.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Guy's a pt/game player, and I suspect he'd reach 100pts for a couple of seasons on a good team,

Ottawa should demand a lot

 

[Bouboumaster]

Every team would take him but who is ready to pay the price Ottawa fans would want?

Montréal has assets to get him but there's no way we part with those assets, since we're going to need them in the future...
Likewise, a team that is currently competing ain't going to give their best players since, you know, they need Them

Aside of picks, prospects and projects, there's nothing to win from Ottawa POV
Unless, of course, the goal is to gain the most 1st round possible and redo a New rebuild

 

[Avs2022]

Replacement for Landeskog. Done deal.

 

[Thechozen1]

If I knew he’d stick around in Winnipeg I’d do a deal around Perfetti with Iafallo going for cap purposes