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scallionjj11 said:
Matthew was almost the exact same weight when he came in the league and only a inch shorter, not really a difference on physical stature.

For the second bolded part, does really anyone on this board really believe he could be like any of those 3?
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At the combine 2016 Matthew was 6'2 200 https://thehockeywriters.com/2016-combine-heights-weights/..
Brady at the combine 2018 was 6'3' 191.5 NHL Combine 2018 Results: Full Results, Measurements, Highlights, Top Prospects
I think he is stockier than Brady who seems more lanky and wiry to me anyway. Definitely taller and lighter :)

People may not think or expect that but imo there are people that want that and are critical of the Tkachuk pick because he isn't that; I don't expect that to change
 
I think the board is truly lucky to have so many athlete development specialists as members...

Sit back, relax, and cheer for Brady to end up the best player in the draft.
 
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The big difference between Matthew and Brady is Matt is a scorer. Its not a very nuanced take but 8 goals vs 50 goals in their draft year which includes Matt going over a goal per game in the playoffs.

Scoring matters unless the league is gonna start awarding points in the standings for good interviews and "heart", the team who scores more wins and that's why Matt will always be a better player.
 
FolignoQuantumLeap said:
The big difference between Matthew and Brady is Matt is a scorer. Its not a very nuanced take but 8 goals vs 50 goals in their draft year which includes Matt going over a goal per game in the playoffs.

Scoring matters unless the league is gonna start awarding points in the standings for good interviews and "heart", the team who scores more wins and that's why Matt will always be a better player.
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Almost a good take.
8 goals vs 50 goals ...lets see now .. which one is greater.. First let me say I agree with the assessment of Matthew being a better goal scorer at the same age. I also think as the two developed Matthew had the opportunity to develop those skills with better offensive players around him (not just in his draft year, but also at the USNTDP). In his draft year he played with Dvorak (121 pts) and Marner (116 pts) .. compare either of those guys to Greenway for example... Now would Brady have put up similar goals, maybe not. This just provides a little more info than just the numbers... games played, another number is also different, league is different, average age of competition is different.

Scoring matters. I agree with that... the rest of it is just trying to drive Brady down as most of your takes on him do. Matt will always be a better player... I would give Brady a chance .. to catch up in certain areas, and be better in others
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
Almost a good take.
8 goals vs 50 goals ...lets see now .. which one is greater.. First let me say I agree with the assessment of Matthew being a better goal scorer at the same age. I also think as the two developed Matthew had the opportunity to develop those skills with better offensive players around him (not just in his draft year, but also at the USNTDP). In his draft year he played with Dvorak (121 pts) and Marner (116 pts) .. compare either of those guys to Greenway for example... Now would Brady have put up similar goals, maybe not. This just provides a little more info than just the numbers... games played, another number is also different, league is different, average age of competition is different.

Scoring matters. I agree with that... the rest of it is just trying to drive Brady down as most of your takes on him do. Matt will always be a better player... I would give Brady a chance .. to catch up in certain areas, and be better in others
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Tkachuk playing with TSN's 44th overall top prospect Jordan Greenway is holding him back. Got it.
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
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At the combine 2016 Matthew was 6'2 200 https://thehockeywriters.com/2016-combine-heights-weights/..
Brady at the combine 2018 was 6'3' 191.5 NHL Combine 2018 Results: Full Results, Measurements, Highlights, Top Prospects
I think he is stockier than Brady who seems more lanky and wiry to me anyway. Definitely taller and lighter :)

People may not think or expect that but imo there are people that want that and are critical of the Tkachuk pick because he isn't that; I don't expect that to change
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And Matthew is listed at 202 now, do you really think he's only gained two pounds since his draft? haha
 
FolignoQuantumLeap said:
Tkachuk playing with TSN's 44th overall top prospect Jordan Greenway is holding him back. Got it.
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Matthew has played with far , far better talent at every level . Brady has had a disadvantage , especially playing NCAA over OHL. If he played in the OHL last year he would have had great stats

Just like in the pros, you will have some years where the puck doesn’t go in as often. He was very unlucky this season goal scoring wise.
 
FolignoQuantumLeap said:
The big difference between Matthew and Brady is Matt is a scorer. Its not a very nuanced take but 8 goals vs 50 goals in their draft year which includes Matt going over a goal per game in the playoffs.

Scoring matters unless the league is gonna start awarding points in the standings for good interviews and "heart", the team who scores more wins and that's why Matt will always be a better player.
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I agree, however there is ample examples of players who scored at a torrid pace in junior/college which didn't translate to the professional level, as well as players with modest numbers who thrived with proper development. I'm not against the Sens signing him to a pro-contract, but as I've positioned, I am very much against him playing in Ottawa this season, beyond whatever training camp/pre-season/9-game window experience he may get.

If I'm wrong and he comes in and succeeds as a raw rookie, my post will be here for future crow-eating. I wouldn't mind that, at all. My fear is that 'Scrooge' and 'D'oh' are desperate to generate excitement to the possible detriment of a player who I DO NOT believe should be an NHLer for the 2018-2019 Ottawa Senators. London or Belleville (both have their draws for a player like Brady Tkachuk) are both better spots than Ottawa right now.
 
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Moon Walker said:
no, now you've got it.
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And as history has shown us, they weren't carrying him to perform above his talent level. He's proven himself beyond the OHL that his out put in junior was no fluke or result of his linemates. He's the one carrying his linemates now at the NHL level, putting up near top line numbers with plugs like Frolik and Backlund. I don't think Brady is capable of the offensive numbers Matthew put up last year and we've never seen him produce as if he can nor is it likely we ever will.
 
FolignoQuantumLeap said:
And as history has shown us, they weren't carrying him to perform above his talent level. He's proven himself beyond the OHL that his out put in junior was no fluke or result of his linemates. He's the one carrying his linemates now at the NHL level, putting up near top line numbers with plugs like Frolik and Backlund. I don't think Brady is capable of the offensive numbers Matthew put up last year and we've never seen him produce as if he can nor is it likely we ever will.
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Okay, we never insisted that Matt carried his OHL line but that all 3 put up over 100 points and were integral parts of each others and London's success. Marner was the clear play-maker and is an elite passer. That line was dominant in every facet, so stop referring to it.

Greenway is a fine player, but no where near the others caliber. Plus, its heavily noted that Greenway was a Winger who converted to Center just last year and Brady was asked by the coaching staff to be more of a play maker.

So really you're comparing two different leagues, with 2 caliber very different linemates/teams, to strengthen your argument.

We know that Brady isn't as much of a goal scorer and its going to be REALLY HARD for him to match Matthews production, given the fact that Matt had a much better environment to groom his offensive skills.
 
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FolignoQuantumLeap said:
The big difference between Matthew and Brady is Matt is a scorer. Its not a very nuanced take but 8 goals vs 50 goals in their draft year which includes Matt going over a goal per game in the playoffs.

Scoring matters unless the league is gonna start awarding points in the standings for good interviews and "heart", the team who scores more wins and that's why Matt will always be a better player.
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Comparing OHL to College production is apples to oranges. I also have greater faith in a kid with higher assist totals than goals even if that margin is quite wide, given the fact it shows he can drive and create offence on his own and usually speaks to a higher level of hockey sense in general, which is the case for Brady. He has the heigher ceiling long term.
 
The more and more I read into this, I have a personally hunch that he ends up in Bellville this year, which I guess is almost best case scenario at this point?
 
Karlstrobe said:
Okay, we never insisted that Matt carried his OHL line but that all 3 put up over 100 points and were integral parts of each others and London's success. Marner was the clear play-maker and is an elite passer. That line was dominant in every facet, so stop referring to it.

Greenway is a fine player, but no where near the others caliber. Plus, its heavily noted that Greenway was a Winger who converted to Center just last year and Brady was asked by the coaching staff to be more of a play maker.

So really you're comparing two different leagues, with 2 caliber very different linemates/teams, to strengthen your argument.

We know that Brady isn't as much of a goal scorer and its going to be REALLY HARD for him to match Matthews production, given the fact that Matt had a much better environment to groom his offensive skills.
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Not saying anyone said he carried Marner and Dvorak. Just pointing out that he wasn't carried and that he's now capable of carrying a line AT THE NHL LEVEL. Brady has yet to show us he can carry a line at the NCAA level.

I just find it so unfair to Brady to be compared to his brother who is a much better player. Its putting impossible expectations on him. Matt has gotten better and better while Brady is looking like he's stagnating.
 
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I loved that tweet some ways back about BT finishing up with Gary Roberts all summer, and with his decision to sign his entire focus is making the club out of training camp.

Man, given what we've heard about his drive, character and work ethic, I bet it's going to be hard to send him down. Some guys have elite skills but lack drive, and some guys have excellent skills and have elite drive. BT looks like a guy who could will himself into an impact player immediately.

I'm really looking forward to camp and seeing this kid try and force the team to keep him up. Should be a super intense training camp. Add in that 3 of out top forward prospects are close friends and this could really be the start of something as soon as this year.

Also, I imagine it will take one game against MTL or TML before he becomes a fan favourite.
 
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