Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Pierre from Orleans]

Larry Brooks is a walking STD

 

[Carl Karlsson]

Woww very impressed with Friedman throwing truth bombs (paraphrasing) calling Brooks an idiot, saying Bettman and the league only cares about Vegas and getting them another 1st rounder and Leafs news making it worst and they should stick to talking about what Matthews had for breakfast or whatever ... nice to have someone with his credentials saying it like it is ! Huge props to him. Good job Elliott

 

[Senovision]

Young Brian Kilrea reminds me of Brady Tkachuk.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

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Young Brian Kilrea reminds me of Brady Tkachuk.

 

[Senovision]

 

[aragorn]

Two of the three analysts inbetween periods said they would build a team around Brady & they were both former players. That says something.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Two of the three analysts inbetween periods said they would build a team around Brady & they were both former players. That says something.

Sure but those guys used to be players, what do they know about leadership? or hard work?
Also, clearly they are not aware that there are some people here who saw that time he didn’t back check hard enough for their satisfaction?

Or more importantly, what about that other time?

 

[Icelevel]

Two of the three analysts inbetween periods said they would build a team around Brady & they were both former players. That says something.

Why would anyone need to hear that from anyone else? Former player or not?
It’s obvious.

Anyone who complains about his game or him as a person and/or wants him traded should be ignored 100% on the topic of hockey.

 

[Knave]

Two of the three analysts inbetween periods said they would build a team around Brady & they were both former players. That says something.

Buffalo and Detroit both have former players who are now GMs who have been with their organizations for 4+ years. They are 1. and 2. in active playoff droughts.

I wonder if Detroit fans say similar things about Larkin and Raymond that some of you say about Tkachuk.

The team wins a game that Brady Tkachuk is essentially a passenger in and people rant and rave like we've clinched a playoff spot all thanks to him.

 

[TheNewEra]

Buffalo and Detroit both have former players who are now GMs who have been with their organizations for 4+ years. They are 1. and 2. in active playoff droughts.

I wonder if Detroit fans say similar things about Larkin and Raymond that some of you say about Tkachuk.

The team wins a game that Brady Tkachuk is essentially a passenger in and people rant and rave like we've clinched a playoff spot all thanks to him.

for the sake of a discussion, there is only one player in the league that can will his team to victory every time and thats mcdavid

brady plays his role and does it well, also even if you were stat watching brady had a goal and an assist last night lol, how was he a passenger?

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

for the sake of a discussion, there is only one player in the league that can will his team to victory every time and thats mcdavid

brady plays his role and does it well, also even if you were stat watching brady had a goal and an assist last night lol, how was he a passenger?

He was a passenger because Brady can't do anything right in his eyes.

 

[Knave]

for the sake of a discussion, there is only one player in the league that can will his team to victory every time and thats mcdavid

brady plays his role and does it well, also even if you were stat watching brady had a goal and an assist last night lol, how was he a passenger?

Brady Tkachuk had a freebie tap-in from Batherson to make the game 5-0 and his assist was a rebound picked up by Batherson who then tried to pass it to Stutzle. It went off Fowler's skate and in the net instead.

Stat watching would be looking at 1G-1A and going "wow" not realizing he was irrelevant to the team's win.

Watching the game would be going "wow the play dies on Tkachuk's stick so damn often with a giveaway or a low percentage, low velocity shot".

The player driving most of the play on Tkachuk's line is once again not Tkachuk. It's Batherson. Was Stutzle when he was with Stutzle.

He's a star player who needs help to be effective because he cannot create on his own. It's that simple. And for years this team has been designed like he can create on his own. It's been designed like he'll have this breakout season and be similar to Matthew Tkachuk. It's clear at this point in his career he doesn't have the offensive talent or instincts for it. That's not his fault. But it should also mean fans aren't so attached to him he can't be moved. He is not critical to the success of the Ottawa Senators.

If this team makes the playoffs, you keep him. If it misses, you move him and focus on Stutzle/Batherson and drafting.

 

[TheNewEra]

Brady Tkachuk had a freebie tap-in from Batherson to make the game 5-0 and his assist was a rebound picked up by Batherson who then tried to pass it to Stutzle. It went off Fowler's skate and in the net instead.

Stat watching would be looking at 1G-1A and going "wow" not realizing he was irrelevant to the team's win.

Watching the game would be going "wow the play dies on Tkachuk's stick so damn often with a giveaway or a low percentage, low velocity shot".

The player driving most of the play on Tkachuk's line is once again not Tkachuk. It's Batherson. Was Stutzle when he was with Stutzle.

He's a star player who needs help to be effective because he cannot create on his own. It's that simple. And for years this team has been designed like he can create on his own. It's been designed like he'll have this breakout season and be similar to Matthew Tkachuk. It's clear at this point in his career he doesn't have the offensive talent or instincts for it. That's not his fault. But it should also mean fans aren't so attached to him he can't be moved. He is not critical to the success of the Ottawa Senators.

If this team makes the playoffs, you keep him. If it misses, you move him and focus on Stutzle/Batherson and drafting.

so i want to understand your point

you are saying brady basically got 31 points in 28 games and his team leading 14 goals accidentally? or by being in the right place at the right time (sens have been trying and plugging people in the top 6 and it hasnt worked like ever haha) do you realize how stupid that sounds lol

of course he doesnt have the same offensive skillset as stutzle but if we are discounting how he impacts the play in other ways then i dont know what to say

gaudette has more points than pinto and greig, still wouldnt trade either of them for gaudette

 

[Knave]

so i want to understand your point

you are saying brady basically got 31 points in 28 games and his team leading 14 goals accidentally? or by being in the right place at the right time (sens have been trying and plugging people in the top 6 and it hasnt worked like ever haha) do you realize how stupid that sounds lol

of course he doesnt have the same offensive skillset as stutzle but if we are discounting how he impacts the play in other ways then i dont know what to say

gaudette has more points than pinto and greig, still wouldnt trade either of them for gaudette

Cheechoo won the Richard Trophy one year. Brady Tkachuk is just leading his own team in goals.

Would you say Cheechoo is a transformational player who was a player San Jose had to keep?

No. He was a product of Joe Thornton. The same way Tkachuk's offense numbers are a product of Stutzle and Batherson.

If people want a more flattering comparison - Stamkos had 1 year of playoff success before Kucherov came around. Stamkos is getting lambasted for his performance in Nashville when he doesn't have a top playmaker.

If this team fails to make the playoffs what you do: keep Stutzle and Batherson, trade at least one of Tkachuk and Norris if not both.

Tampa Bay traded Stamkos and plugged in another in Jake Guentzel. The team didn't crater. It didn't lose its heart or identity. Turns out Stamkos wasn't driving that much offense by himself but instead more of a recipient of great play by others like Kucherov or Point. Tampa Bay is on pace to end up in a similar position to last year.

 

[umma gumma]

Cheechoo won the Richard Trophy one year. Brady Tkachuk is just leading his own team in goals.

Would you say Cheechoo is a transformational player who was a player San Jose had to keep?

No. He was a product of Joe Thornton. The same way Tkachuk's offense numbers are a product of Stutzle and Batherson.

If people want a more flattering comparison - Stamkos had 1 year of playoff success before Kucherov came around. Stamkos is getting lambasted for his performance in Nashville when he doesn't have a top playmaker.

If this team fails to make the playoffs what you do: keep Stutzle and Batherson, trade at least one of Tkachuk and Norris if not both.

Tampa Bay traded Stamkos and plugged in another in Jake Guentzel. The team didn't crater. It didn't lose its heart or identity. Turns out Stamkos wasn't driving that much offense by himself but instead more of a recipient of great play by others like Kucherov or Point.

Right because Stamkos and Brady play the same type of game. What a stupid comparison. About as stupid as complaining Brady can't score like Matthews.

If you want to trade Brady out of fear for his NMC, that's one thing. But the stuff you're spewing is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Knave]

Right because Stamkos and Brady play the same type of game. What a stupid comparison. About as stupid as complaining Brady can't score like Matthews.

If you want to trade Brady out of fear for his NMC, that's one thing. But the stuff you're spewing is beyond ridiculous.

So what does he do? Third line plugger shit? $8M for third line plugger shit. Truly an invaluable monster of a player.

Some of you move these goalposts a country mile.

Okay - so he's not a goalscorer. He's not a passer. He's not a defender. He's not a 200ft player.

What is he? What does he do that's so invaluable to this team that continues to fail to make the playoffs under his leadership? What is it? Tell me. Put it in words. Stop dodging like you're Neo in the Matrix.

In my eyes the only things he does well is throwing a lot of body checks and taking a lot of shots. So he's Jonathan Cheechoo. So lets ask the question again - did San Jose think Cheechoo was absolutely critical to their success? No. They traded him. And life went on. They got Logan Couture, Joe Pavelski and went to a Stanley Cup Final with Thornton still on the team.

 

[DueDiligence]

He is not critical to the success of the Ottawa Senators.

We get it, you don't like him. But do you need dozens of posts to say the same thing over and over?

 

[umma gumma]

So what does he do? Third line plugger shit? $8M for third line plugger shit. Truly an invaluable monster of a player.

Some of you move these goalposts a country mile.

Okay - so he's not a goalscorer. He's not a passer. He's not a defender. He's not a 200ft player.

What is he? What does he do that's so invaluable to this team that continues to fail to make the playoffs under his leadership? What is it? Tell me. Put it in words. Stop dodging like you're Neo in the Matrix.

In my eyes the only things he does well is throwing a lot of body checks and taking a lot of shots. So he's Jonathan Cheechoo. So lets ask the question again - did San Jose think Cheechoo was absolutely critical to their success? No. They traded him. And life went on. They got Logan Couture, Joe Pavelski and went to a Stanley Cup Final with Thornton still on the team.

lol yes because 3rd line pluggers score 30 goals with regularity and sometimes flirt with 40. What a joke. Do you actually hear yourself?

 

[Knave]

lol yes because 3rd line pluggers score 30 goals with regularity and sometimes flirt with 40. What a joke. Do you actually hear yourself?

Adam Gaudette is on pace for 40 playing with Stutzle.

Turns out when you play with super talented offensive players like Stutzle and Batherson you score lots of goals. Who woulda thunkit!

When Crosby was winning Stanley Cups with Kunitz and others did the Pittsburgh GM come out publicly stating that Kunitz was the key to success and probably just as good as Crosby? No. Pittsburgh kept the important players - Crosby and Malkin and moved wingers around them over time.

 

[umma gumma]

Adam Gaudette is on pace for 40 playing with Stutzle.

Turns out when you play with super talented offensive players like Stutzle and Batherson you score lots of goals. Who woulda thunkit!

When Crosby was winning Stanley Cups with Kunitz and others did the Pittsburgh GM come out publicly stating that Kunitz was the key to success and probably just as good as Crosby?

f*** me, first you compared him to Stamkos, now he's next to Gaudette and Kunitz.

Out
To
Lunch.

You need to spend less time with Hobbes.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I heard that when he left the autograph signing it was because they had a trade in principal with the Rangers, but when he heard that it was Lafreniere+Kakko+Lindgren coming back, he nixed the trade because it had too many scrubs. Apparently, if he is going to get traded, it needs to be a better package than what his brother went for, or else he is staying here forever.

I also heard that it might have just been an issue he had to resolve with his water heater. Not sure.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Adam Gaudette is on pace for 40 playing with Stutzle.

Turns out when you play with super talented offensive players like Stutzle and Batherson you score lots of goals. Who woulda thunkit!

When Crosby was winning Stanley Cups with Kunitz and others did the Pittsburgh GM come out publicly stating that Kunitz was the key to success and probably just as good as Crosby? No. Pittsburgh kept the important players - Crosby and Malkin and moved wingers around them over time.

It reminds me of Spezza and Stone getting guys paid. I love Zack Smith, but he probably owes Stone some sort of sales commission on his 10M contract extension. Bobby Butler was on pace for almost 25 goals because of Spezza, and Spezza also put multiple generations of the Greening family through college.

Even someone like Milan Michalek, who was a highly skilled player probably was elevated. Spezza even took a lazy and disgruntled Ales Hemsky and had him scoring at a near point-per-game pace.

edit: Oh yeah, Stone also got Colin White set for life. It might be a coincidence, but he is another guy who fell off completely after Stone. I always thought Vegas should have picked him up for league minimum and tried him with Stone.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

as long as he plays with norris brady can't hurt the team too much and his positives actually matter.

need to keep the Brady-Norris-Batherson line together forever.

I think Knave is going too far. Brady is not really a passenger, but you HAVE to stack Brady's line. otherwise it doesn't work.

 

[Knave]

f*** me, first you compared him to Stamkos, now he's next to Gaudette and Kunitz.

Out
To
Lunch.

You need to spend less time with Hobbes.

I want to spend more time watching playoff hockey with the Ottawa Senators in it.

You're on season 7, season 4 as captain trying to convince me that Brady Tkachuk is key to the success of the Ottawa Senators despite the Ottawa Senators having zero success and still being several points out of the wildcard spot in mid-December.

Brady Tkachuk is a star player. I've compared him to players you think are better, players you think are worse. In all cases the GMs of these players realized pretty quickly they were not the key player to success and traded them. All the teams that did this continued to be successful. Tampa Bay is still in a playoff spot after trading Stamkos. San Jose after Cheechoo got better. The Penguins with their revolving door of wingers for Crosby/Malkin continued to win Stanley Cups.

But if we were to trade Brady Tkachuk you'd think it would be the end of the world. And not Ottawa trading a star player but a flawed player and being better for it within a few years. Not sure how we can get worse than another lottery pick with Captain Tkachuk but maybe someone can explain that to me.

 

[OD99]

Adam Gaudette is on pace for 40 playing with Stutzle.

Gaudette was pacing better when he was on the 4th line.

Turns out when you play with super talented offensive players like Stutzle and Batherson you score lots of goals. Who woulda thunkit!

Who else did they turn into 30+ goal scorers? And why is it a condemnation for good players to play together?

When Crosby was winning Stanley Cups with Kunitz and others did the Pittsburgh GM come out publicly stating that Kunitz was the key to success and probably just as good as Crosby? No. Pittsburgh kept the important players - Crosby and Malkin and moved wingers around them over time.

This doesn't even make sense. Kunitz had 1 outlier season where he scored 35 goals.

And yes, the Pens built around their best players, you know, like their captain.

What a bizarre fetish you have for looking at reality and distorting it so badly.