Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Relapsing]

Marginal penalty but keep ranting. But the terrible giveaways tonight by Norris and Giroux that lead directly to goals are OK I guess.

Again, I point to this being the thread specifically made to discuss Brady Tkachuck. Did Giroux or Norris change their names and no one told me?

 

[DylanSensFan]

Brady needs to learn how to be a better leader and understand when the team needs to be dragged into the fight and when it needs a calm steady presence. Sometimes, it seems like he thinks being a leader is the same as being the hero. Sometimes, that works. Think back to that Rangers game where he fought Trouba, and had a hat trick OT winner.

Sometimes, it has the opposite effect, like last night. He took a stupid roughing in the 1st and a pointless fight in the 3rd. The team doesn't need dragging into the fight right now. Effort is not the problem. The team is rattled. They need a calm steady presence, and to stick to the game plan with a hard and disciplined effort. These shenanigans only rattles the team more.

I think he's learning. He's also a pretty young player and captain.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Brady is a smart kid. But it's definitely taking him an usually long time to have his "Steve Yzerman" transition into a complete player. And fans should be frustrated with it, especially considering the league these days has a much younger UFA age than when Stevie was around. You've got to get your shit together and provide that value a lot earlier in your career these days. Salary caps and build/retool/dismantle cycles are short. For most clubs.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I enjoy watching him play in general, and him Stu and Gaudette were great tonight.

 

[mysens]

After this game...I suppose we can keep him off the trade talk for a few more days. Love/Hate feelings I have for this guy.

 

[umma gumma]

Brady is a smart kid. But it's definitely taking him an usually long time to have his "Steve Yzerman" transition into a complete player. And fans should be frustrated with it, especially considering the league these days has a much younger UFA age than when Stevie was around. You've got to get your shit together and provide that value a lot earlier in your career these days. Salary caps and build/retool/dismantle cycles are short. For most clubs.

It took Steve Yzerman himself an unusually long time also. He didn't become the player you're thinking about until he was into his 30s. Good thing Detroit didn't give up on him.

Has the coach changed? Yes
Has the GM changed? Yes
Has the owner changed? Yes
Has the supporting cast changed? Yes
Has the goaltender been changed multiple times? Yes
Have people been added and subtracted to this team's core? Yes.

Has the captain been changed? No

It's inexplicable why we can't seem to make the playoffs. Definitely has nothing to do with our captain. Must be all those other people we've already swapped out several times.

Hilarious. Brady is responsible for Korpisalo's terrible save % and the reason Ullmark is sporting a sparkling 0.881 this year. He's also responsible for DJ's coaching and Dorion's genius.

Turns out was never any of those things. Only Brady.

I get it, you're one of those that waits around for one mistake and then goes 'See??!!'

Bet you were one of those that wanted Alfie traded back in the day too.

 

[Micklebot]

He is:

Top 30 in pts,
Top 20 in goals,
3rd in hits,
2nd in shots,
1st in PIMs.

There's certainly some room for growth on the defensive side, and you occasionally need to reign in the emotions, but for better or worse, this is a guy that has an impact on every game he plays.

 

[Tuna99]

Feels like there was a power struggle between Green and Brady last week, and Green won.

Brady abandoned Green’s culture and tried to do it himself., and that’s what we saw this week.

Last night, I think we saw Brady rededicate himself to sticking with it.

Hopefully it’s a massive turning point, Bruce Garrioche really wants to write the “Brady’s come to Jesus moment like Yzerman did in Detroit and Scotty Bowman”

Stuztle is a player. Super impressed with him. I think he’s always stuck with it, and it shows, he is our best player and it’s not by accident, it’s because he’s disciplined

 

[Wondercarrot]

Brady is a smart kid. But it's definitely taking him an usually long time to have his "Steve Yzerman" transition into a complete player. And fans should be frustrated with it, especially considering the league these days has a much younger UFA age than when Stevie was around. You've got to get your shit together and provide that value a lot earlier in your career these days. Salary caps and build/retool/dismantle cycles are short. For most clubs.

lol
It took Yzerman 13 years to have his “Yzerman” transition. He Was literally 31, Brady is 25.
It was also supplemented by a vast influx of better players in the supporting cast.

Brady has been for the most part of his early career been surrounded by even younger players or garbage players, with a garbage coach, a garbage GM, and a garbage owner.
If they had a goalie who could reasonably stop a puck over .900 this conversation wouldnt exist.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

lol
It took Yzerman 13 years to have his “Yzerman” transition. He Was literally 31, Brady is 25.
It was also supplemented by a vast influx of better players in the supporting cast.

Brady has been for the most part of his early career been surrounded by even younger players or garbage players, with a garbage coach, a garbage GM, and a garbage owner.
If they had a goalie who could reasonably stop a puck over .900 this conversation wouldnt exist.

We don't have another 6 years to wait. That's the problem.

 

[Tuna99]

lol
It took Yzerman 13 years to have his “Yzerman” transition. He Was literally 31, Brady is 25.

Brady has been for the most part of his early career has been surrounded by even younger players or garbage players, with a garbage coach, a garbage GM, and a garbage owner.
If they had a goalie who could reasonably stop a puck over .900 this conversation wouldnt exist.

What you saw and heard this week was the fans saying “I dont Give a f*** what you have to do, I’m not watching this hockey for much longer”

And honestly versus Vegas fans were like “don’t care if they win, they just have to stick to it and play a full 60.”

Fans want culture change more than wins. We’ve seen winning streaks with this group, leads nowhere because they aren’t a disciplined group. We know what winning hockey looks like and what we saw wasn’t it.

Fans wants a culture change, DJ lost every battle he had with his players


Don’t think it’s a coincidence you saw Josh Norris name out there yesterday. I think that’s an intentional leak to tell the core players that management will break it up and trade your friends if they don’t play Greens system and they will go get plAyer’s that will do it if the have to, and that’s exactly what the fans were saying

 

[Wondercarrot]

We don't have another 6 years to wait. That's the problem.

No, the problem is using the “Yzerman” analogy as if it’s accurate in any meaningful kind of way, while ignoring what an .890 or less save percentage does to a team’s success rate.

 

[Knave]

lol
It took Yzerman 13 years to have his “Yzerman” transition. He Was literally 31, Brady is 25.

Brady has been for the most part surrounded by even younger players or garbage players, with a garbage coach, a garbage GM, and a garbage owner.
If they had a goalie who could reasonably stop a puck over .900 this conversation wouldnt exist.

Yzerman was top 5 in scoring at least 3 times in his first 10 years in the league including top 3 twice behind chumps like Gretzky and Lemieux. His team was also immediately in the playoffs first year of his career.

Brady Tkachuk has never finished in the top 25 of scoring. That is why the comparison is awful.

The fact it's not even a possibility in people's minds that maybe this team should move on from Brady Tkachuk and look to have a hard-nosed two way game like Calgary to try and make the playoffs... or trade Tkachuk and try to get some more talent so we can out-talent teams like Toronto is crazy to me.

 

[Wondercarrot]

What you saw and heard this week was the fans saying “I dont Give a f*** what you have to do, I’m not watching this hockey for much longer”

And honestly versus Vegas fans were like “don’t care if they win, they just have to stick to it and play a full 60.”

Fans want culture change more than wins. We’ve seen winning streaks with this group, leads nowhere because they aren’t a disciplined group. We know what winning hockey looks like and what we saw wasn’t it.

Fans wants a culture change, DJ lost every battle he had with his players


Don’t think it’s a coincidence you saw Josh Norris name out there yesterday. I think that’s an intentional leak to tell the core players that management will break it up and trade your friends if they don’t play Greens system and they will go get plAyer’s that will do it if the have to, and that’s exactly what the fans were saying

I don’t need a culture change, what I need is goalies who don’t let in 4 or 5 goals every game.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

No, the problem is using the “Yzerman” analogy as if it’s accurate in any meaningful kind of way, while ignoring what an .890 or less save percentage does to a team’s success rate.

Are we also going to ignore that nearly every goalie plays worse after being traded here and then magically improves once they're gone, and that maybe the problem isn't exclusively between the pipes?

 

[Wondercarrot]

Yzerman was top 5 in scoring at least 3 times in his first 10 years in the league including top 3 twice behind chumps like Gretzky and Lemieux. His team was also immediately in the playoffs first year of his career.

Brady Tkachuk has never finished in the top 25 of scoring. That is why the comparison is awful.

It’s awful because it’s idiotic, and ignores reality.

 

[Tuna99]

I don’t need a culture change, what I need is goalies who don’t let in 4 or 5 goals every game.

Then the players should back check. Save percentage is a team stats, not a goalie stat

 

[Wondercarrot]

Are we also going to ignore that nearly every goalie plays worse after being traded here and then magically improves once they're gone, and that maybe the problem isn't exclusively between the pipes?

We allow way fewer shots, way less high danger scoring chances, our expected GAA is top 5 in the league, etc etc etc.
it’s almost as if there is something else…it’s almost as if it could be I don’t know…the guys being paid to stop a puck.
I know crazy!!!! but that’s just my lyin’ eyes, and lyin’ stats and evidence.

Then the players should back check. Save percentage is a team stats, not a goalie stat

lol

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

We allow way fewer shots, way less high danger scoring chances, our expected GAA is top 5 in the league, etc etc etc.
it’s almost as if there is something else…it’s almost as if it could be I don’t know…the guys being paid to stop a puck.
I know crazy!!!! but that’s just my lyin’ eyes, and lyin’ stats and evidence.



lol

These guys will do whatever mental gymnastics they need to to blame Brady for all the team's issues.

 

[Knave]

These guys will do whatever mental gymnastics they need to to blame Brady for all the team's issues.

Don't let your back hurt picking up all that straw.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Don't let your back hurt picking up all that straw.

I’d be more worried about all the bullshit you’re hauling.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Don't let your back hurt picking up all that straw.

What? Your posts don't even make any sense. The "Brady sucks" group is all the same, they project all their frustrations with the team onto Brady and then come up with the most paper thin arguments when someone rational tells them why they're wrong.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

We allow way fewer shots, way less high danger scoring chances, our expected GAA is top 5 in the league, etc etc etc.
it’s almost as if there is something else…it’s almost as if it could be I don’t know…the guys being paid to stop a puck.
I know crazy!!!! but that’s just my lyin’ eyes, and lyin’ stats and evidence.



lol

That's not what I see. I see a team where half the skaters aren't backchecking, the defense is horribly inconsistent, and there's barely any puck support in the defensive zone at all. All that takes a toll on any netminder.

We have maybe 3-4 guys on this team that work hard every night to play a complete game. And that's not good enough.

 

[Knave]

What? Your posts don't even make any sense. The "Brady sucks" group is all the same, they project all their frustrations with the team onto Brady and then come up with the most paper thin arguments when someone rational tells them why they're wrong.

Who here is saying this is ultimately all Brady Tkachuk's fault? You are arguing a strawman because you can't actually argue reality that leadership might play a role. That the captain being a culprit of the subpar defensive play of our forwards more nights than not might play a role.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Who here is saying this is ultimately all Brady Tkachuk's fault? You are arguing a strawman because you can't actually argue reality that leadership might play a role. That the captain being a culprit of the subpar defensive play of our forwards more nights than not might play a role.

You literally made a post saying everything has changed except the captain and we keep losing. What is that but blaming Brady for the failure of the team?

Stand by your beliefs, don't back pedal. If you're going to have Brady as your little whipping boy and are constantly waiting for him to make a mistake so you can blame him and say why the team needs to move him then at least stand by it, don't backtrack.