Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Agent Zuuuub]

How do you really feel? I just like that he gets under the other fanbases skin.
All I'm saying.

i like it too lol

 

[h2]

I don't think he's ever going to be a defensive stud, but he can make a more consistent impact by simplifying the defensive side, which is just a gaping black hole on our team at the moment, and also hard to do with how everyone runs around like their head is cut off in the defensive end. I think a good coach will do wonders with Brady.

He had a quiet game tonight from an offensive standpoint, but really put the pressure on the Toronto D that paid dividends, and should have drawn a penalty from a hold.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I like that he is staring to consistently do Brady things on games where he isn’t dominating offensively, and he’s playing a lot better in the D zone, and is back checking and skating deep.

It’s not his forte, yet, but he’s already doing more, consistently, on top of his usual self. Lots to like.

 

[JD1]

I like that Tkachuk gets under @Agent Zub 's skin. It wouldn't be the Sens board without dissension in the ranks

 

[Dionysus]

Couple of big hits last night, the one where he crushed the leafs dman who tried to reverse hit him was great. That intimidation on the forecheck really puts pressure on the opposing defenceman.

 

[Senovision]

Brady's hitting also makes players hear footateps and also makes them not want to go to certain areas of the ice and causes turnovers..The force of getting hit by a 6'4 220 pound forward at the speed he is going at is an extremely painful experience and usually reduces their skip in their step. Quite simply it reduces the other teams ability to compete. If we had a couple of more players on our team that would hit like Brady, it would certainly lead to more wins. Intimidation in a contact sport is always going to be a key to victory. If you look at all of the Stanley Cup champions in the history of the league their lineups have several hitters. It takes away the other teams desire to make certain plays. Brady's leadership by hitting opposing players is an important feature to our team and can't be underestimated or replaced.

 

[JD1]

Brady's hitting also makes players hear footateps and also makes them not want to go to certain areas of the ice and causes turnovers..The force of getting hit by a 6'4 220 pound forward at the speed he is going at is an extremely painful experience and usually reduces their skip in their step. Quite simply it reduces the other teams ability to compete. If we had a couple of more players on our team that would hit like Brady, it would certainly lead to more wins. Intimidation in a contact sport is always going to be a key to victory. If you look at all of the Stanley Cup champions in the history of the league their lineups have several hitters. It takes away the other teams desire to make certain plays. Brady's leadership by hitting opposing players is an important feature to our team and can't be underestimated or replaced.

You had me at Brady's hitting

Now try to convince Zub

 

[Sentron5000]

Brady's hitting also makes players hear footateps and also makes them not want to go to certain areas of the ice and causes turnovers..The force of getting hit by a 6'4 220 pound forward at the speed he is going at is an extremely painful experience and usually reduces their skip in their step. Quite simply it reduces the other teams ability to compete. If we had a couple of more players on our team that would hit like Brady, it would certainly lead to more wins. Intimidation in a contact sport is always going to be a key to victory. If you look at all of the Stanley Cup champions in the history of the league their lineups have several hitters. It takes away the other teams desire to make certain plays. Brady's leadership by hitting opposing players is an important feature to our team and can't be underestimated or replaced.

For all the complaining about the Boucher pick, this is why they picked him where they did. Skill and willingness to engage physically is a rare commodity.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You had me at Brady's hitting

Now try to convince Zub

Of course I like Brady's hitting.

What does that have to do with his defensive game?

I'm telling you guys there is no chance any team can win the cup with an important player let alone the captain being a defensive liability like that.

 

[TheNewEra]

Of course I like Brady's hitting.

What does that have to do with his defensive game?

I'm telling you guys there is no chance any team can win the cup with an important player let alone the captain being a defensive liability like that.

I have to ask are you the Colin white guy who just changed his username

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I have to ask are you the Colin white guy who just changed his username

That guy was right about White. :p

And anyway if Sanderson, Stutzle, Alfredssons, Stone, Karlsson were captain and played defence like Brady I would be on their case too. It's not acceptable for anyone. Rookies get sent to the minors to work on their games over less.

And about winning the cup... we can't even make the playoffs.

 

[coladin]

I'm as big a Brady fan there is, but he is not buying in to what the coaches need from him. His defensuve zone coverage continues to be atrocious. Cheating. He doesn't look terribly engaged either.

I think he needs to get over DJ being fired, and get on with it. Buy in like Drake has

 

[GCK]

Of course I like Brady's hitting.

What does that have to do with his defensive game?

I'm telling you guys there is no chance any team can win the cup with an important player let alone the captain being a defensive liability like that.

You seem very unwilling to acknowledge the improvements in Brady’s defensive game. There is still a ways to go but there has been progress this year.

That guy was right about White. :p

And anyway if Sanderson, Stutzle, Alfredssons, Stone, Karlsson were captain and played defence like Brady I would be on their case too. It's not acceptable for anyone. Rookies get sent to the minors to work on their games over less.

And about winning the cup... we can't even make the playoffs.

There is zero chance of you criticizing Karlsson. He’s a disaster defensively.

 

[Senovision]

I'm as big a Brady fan there is, but he is not buying in to what the coaches need from him. His defensuve zone coverage continues to be atrocious. Cheating. He doesn't look terribly engaged either.

I think he needs to get over DJ being fired, and get on with it. Buy in like Drake has

Brady is an emotional leader as we know. It's one of the things we love about him. He was upset about being mired in a 6 game losing streak. He is not a robotic player. He expresses how he feels and I think that we can all agree that that is a good thing. He has 4 points in his last two games and is leading us out of this slump. He will get better with the new coaches. There are several players not just Brady that need to get better defensively in their own zone.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'm as big a Brady fan there is, but he is not buying in to what the coaches need from him. His defensuve zone coverage continues to be atrocious. Cheating. He doesn't look terribly engaged either.

I think he needs to get over DJ being fired, and get on with it. Buy in like Drake has

Team needs total buy in from Tkachuk.. Bigger learning curve perhaps.

 

[bicboi64]

It was nice to see the cap step up against the leafs but I want to see that same effort against a team like the panthers, specifically against his big brother. Its easy to rough up a team who's biggest rats are Bertuzzi and Domi. If he can man up against the biggest rat on the panthers, it'll be a big step in his progression.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Brady's hitting also makes players hear footateps and also makes them not want to go to certain areas of the ice and causes turnovers..The force of getting hit by a 6'4 220 pound forward at the speed he is going at is an extremely painful experience and usually reduces their skip in their step. Quite simply it reduces the other teams ability to compete. If we had a couple of more players on our team that would hit like Brady, it would certainly lead to more wins. Intimidation in a contact sport is always going to be a key to victory. If you look at all of the Stanley Cup champions in the history of the league their lineups have several hitters. It takes away the other teams desire to make certain plays. Brady's leadership by hitting opposing players is an important feature to our team and can't be underestimated or replaced.

That's what happened when Ottawa played Anaheim in the Finals.
I'm a big proponent in having a few solid guys up and down the lineup who will finish checks.
Specifically on the forecheck so that the opposition D gets rid of the puck quicker which leads to mistakes and turnovers as you write.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You seem very unwilling to acknowledge the improvements in Brady’s defensive game. There is still a ways to go but there has been progress this year.


There is zero chance of you criticizing Karlsson. He’s a disaster defensively.

what defensive improvements? that he's finally willing to backcheck? isn't that the base level expectation for an NHL player?

like just think about it, an nhl captain is finally backchecking and that's what we have to celebrate as some incredible improvement.

and people are confused why this team has such a loser mentality while at the same time talking up Brady as one of the best leaders in the NHL.

I like the increased effort though, he's still been an absolute liability defensively. how is he almost 25 and still this bad though?

that 3 point game against Pittsburgh, he single handedly almost lost us that..

like just watch Brady in this. what is that? if parker kelly did this he would never play in the NHL again.





against the leafs it was just as bad, maybe worse.

i'm starting to think i have to lower my standard for bradys ability and for what it means to be a Senators captain. which is sad.

 

[Tuna99]

Brady's hitting also makes players hear footateps and also makes them not want to go to certain areas of the ice and causes turnovers..The force of getting hit by a 6'4 220 pound forward at the speed he is going at is an extremely painful experience and usually reduces their skip in their step. Quite simply it reduces the other teams ability to compete. If we had a couple of more players on our team that would hit like Brady, it would certainly lead to more wins. Intimidation in a contact sport is always going to be a key to victory. If you look at all of the Stanley Cup champions in the history of the league their lineups have several hitters. It takes away the other teams desire to make certain plays. Brady's leadership by hitting opposing players is an important feature to our team and can't be underestimated or replaced.

Of course I like Brady's hitting.

What does that have to do with his defensive game?

I'm telling you guys there is no chance any team can win the cup with an important player let alone the captain being a defensive liability like that.

It was nice to see the cap step up against the leafs but I want to see that same effort against a team like the panthers, specifically against his big brother. Its easy to rough up a team who's biggest rats are Bertuzzi and Domi. If he can man up against the biggest rat on the panthers, it'll be a big step in his progression.

Brady Tkachuk doesn’t need to man up to anyone. Why do we want him challenging the biggest rat on the other team, that should be Croonshank’s job.

I want Brady scoring empty netters after comeback wins, loved his game last night

 

[bicboi64]

Brady Tkachuk doesn’t need to man up to anyone. Why do we want him challenging the biggest rat on the other team, that should be Croonshank’s job.

I want Brady scoring empty netters after comeback wins, loved his game last night

Because that biggest rat can get under our whole team's skin. The last time we played them, Sanderson had to stand up to him. I'd rather our 6ft4 225-pound captain stop the most effective rat on the team, his brother, instead of going after the other scrubs on that roster. BTkachuk is supposed to be our deterrent. We drafted him so that we wouldn't be bullied by other teams. Crookshank is 5ft10, and as hard as he plays, he's not going to be able to rag-doll MTkachuk the way our captain should be able to do.

 

[Tuna99]

Because that biggest rat can get under our whole team's skin. The last time we played them, Sanderson had to stand up to him. I'd rather our 6ft4 225-pound captain stop the most effective rat on the team, his brother, instead of going after the other scrubs on that roster. BTkachuk is supposed to be our deterrent. We drafted him so that we wouldn't be bullied by other teams. Crookshank is 5ft10, and as hard as he plays, he's not going to be able to rag-doll MTkachuk the way our captain should be able to do.

Disagree. Brady needs to do less policing and way less getting even and more winning

The captains job in the ice is play winning hockey and be the lead for implementing the coaches into wins. If I want a story of revenge and saving fragile egos I’ll watch wrestling.

Matthew Tkachuk, Brad Marchand - why do we want Brady Tkachuk spending his team worrying about them. I want them worrying about how to stop Brady Tkachuks team from winning

 

[bicboi64]

Disagree. Brady needs to do less policing and way less getting even and more winning

The captains job in the ice is play winning hockey and be the lead for implementing the coaches into wins. If I want a story of revenge and saving fragile egos I’ll watch wrestling.

Matthew Tkachuk, Brad Marchand - why do we want Brady Tkachuk spending his team worrying about them. I want them worrying about how to stop Brady Tkachuks team from winning

In an ideal world, I want that as well. But when we play teams like Florida who rely on goonery to win, we need to make sure each of our players are fully committed to winning. If our team can become uber-disciplined and not play into the goonery that we see in the league, that'd be ideal. Teams like Vegas did it last post-season against Edmonton, and it's absolutely achievable.

But if a team like Florida decides it wants to get down and dirty, if our best deterrent isn't willing to put him in his place, it will be very easy for the game to end up as a brawl fest where there's just game misconducts being handed out left and right and we still lose.

 

[Tuna99]

In an ideal world, I want that as well. But when we play teams like Florida who rely on goonery to win, we need to make sure each of our players are fully committed to winning. If our team can become uber-disciplined and not play into the goonery that we see in the league, that'd be ideal. Teams like Vegas did it last post-season against Edmonton, and it's absolutely achievable.

But if a team like Florida decides it wants to get down and dirty, if our best deterrent isn't willing to put him in his place, it will be very easy for the game to end up as a brawl fest where there's just game misconducts being handed out left and right and we still lose.

A big lesson Ottawa fans need reminding of and Brady needs to hear is the lesson we learned on the worst day of being a Sens fan in our history.

When Alfie shot the puck at Neidermeyer - Pronger went into the dressing room and gave a big speech about getting even and going after Alfie, Scott Neidermeyer (the Captain and ultimate winner) said “NO, we go out and we win the game. We do what we are here to do and we show them what winning is. Because winning isn’t getting even, winning is discipline, battling and keeping focused on your goals.”

I want less fighting from Brady and more winning. And this was a lesson tought to a former Blues Captain, MVP, Norris winner and HOF. Winning isn’t getting even. Winning is discipline

 

[bicboi64]

A big lesson Ottawa fans need reminding of and Brady needs to hear is the lesson we learned on the worst day of being a Sens fan in our history.

When Alfie shot the puck at Neidermeyer - Pronger went into the dressing room and gave a big speech about getting even and going after Alfie, Scott Neidermeyer (the Captain and ultimate winner) said “NO, we go out and we win the game. We do what we are here to do and we show them what winning is. Because winning isn’t getting even, winning is discipline, battling and keeping focused on your goals.”

I want less fighting from Brady and more winning. And this was a lesson tought to a former Blues Captain, MVP, Norris winner and HOF. Winning isn’t getting even. Winning is discipline

I agree with all of that but I'm not going to ignore the fact that Brady was drafted due to his unique skillset of being a physical deterrent who can also score at a top-line pace.

I want him to drive to the net, hit hard, score big goals, make quick passes, everything I'd expect from a top-line winger. At the same time, I don't want any team taking liberties at any of our guys by playing close to the line. This doesn't mean I want BTkachuk to go sucker punch big brother Matty 9in the next Panthers game. It means I want Brady to be willing to get into a tussle with him, lay him out with a bone-crunching check, and do whatever he can to stop MTkachuk from being a rat.

I don't need Brady to become Wilson or Bertuzzi, but he needs to be willing to be an Iginla who would throw hands if he had to.

 

[DueDiligence]

I'm as big a Brady fan there is, but he is not buying in to what the coaches need from him. His defensuve zone coverage continues to be atrocious. Cheating. He doesn't look terribly engaged either.

I think he needs to get over DJ being fired, and get on with it. Buy in like Drake has

"Buy in like Drake has"????? I've seen Drake make some good plays but equally as many bad plays defensively in the last 4 games. No different than Brady or Timmy or Josh. The whole team is getting better but they still are too lax playing defense and cough up the puck far too much when under pressure in their own zone. #workinprogress.