Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Evilhomer]

I watched Dubas after he fired the coach. Hadn't seen him in awhile and was struck by how diminished he looked and sounded, it was quite something compared to his persona here. I don't think he lasts, they're in for a couple dismal years and his linguistics abilities don't have the same resonance, his confidence looked shot...or at least his narcissistic arrogance that he knows best was shaken. The press seemed hostile as well.

A couple years? Barring a first overall pick next season, I think Pittsburgh is in for many years of a tough rebuild. Dubas has done well to stockpile a lot of picks, but they are staring down a full rebuild, not just a re-tooling like Washington.

 

[colchar]

I will say this in his defense though, he has a really hot sister.

Prove it.

And which one of the four are you talking about?

 

[colchar]

Correct because at the end of the day that's all the counts.

You can say they had the fewest 5 on 5 goals against in 2021 all you want.

It doesn't matter because at the end of the day they lost in 7.

You need to understand something you can't win an argument anymore.

It's over it's done, any argument you thought you had in favour of Keefe and Dubas or against Treliving and Berbue is over.

it ended the moment they won that 6th game regardless of how this playoffs ends

you and the rest of the cult of Kyle dubas

you lost

Just like the Dubas & Keefe teams (and not just in Toronto!).

 

[colchar]

Did you just come on here after an OT loss to update this?

My point here is that this team seems different to me. I believe this has to do with all of the new personnel, the new captain, the new coaches, and the new GM. Possibly the new CEO too.

Do you not think this team is different and purpose built for the playoffs than in previous years?

It's a yes or no question.

They are different, but I don't think Captain America has much to do with it.

 

[conFABulator]

They are different, but I don't think Captain America has much to do with it.

I don't know that any of us have any ability to know how any item impacts an overall change in culture.

Maybe JT gracefully accepting the letter swap to let AM34 be the C was a classic leadership by example moment? Maybe it showed everyone that team before self is the (new) way? Maybe everyone seeing Auston step up to be C and take on extra pressure in doing so was a commitment to winning here? Maybe he brings something different to the room that we don't see?

 

[Dekes For Days]

If you’re going to claim you “provided evidence” that Byram lost five pounds post-combine, the burden is on you to back it with credible, consistent sources

If you're going to claim that Byram was the same weight in 2022 as he is now 3 years later, in pursuit of your silly size narrative, then the burden is on you to back it up with credible, consistent sources.

I provided the weight that both the Colorado Avalanche and Colorado's AHL affiliate listed him as within months of that playoffs, consistent with other sources at that time like the Denver Post. You have brought absolutely nothing from that timeframe or the years surrounding it to support your claim.

Citation please. Regular season stats aren't relevant to the discussion anyway

Citation? It's just 5v5 scoring lol. Look it up yourself on any stat site or NHL.com. I used Moneypuck. Of course regular season matters to this discussion. It's literally the only possible way to get a baseline for how good the teams were at 5v5 scoring, to see how we impacted their usual results. I also noted that we did better than both Winnipeg and Vegas against the same opponent in the playoffs.

You don’t think shot blocking impacts defensive performance? That’s interesting, considering every NHL team makes it a core part of their strategy.

Every NHL team does not make it a core part of their strategy. Shot blocking is one of many different defensive actions. It doesn't really say anything about a team's overall defensive results. It could indicate good defensive play, or it could indicate a team that just gets peppered with shot attempts. The 3 worst defensive teams in the league this year, for example, were all top-5 shot blocking teams.

I see, you brought it into the discussion

I didn't bring it into the discussion. You just randomly started talking about it out of nowhere to deflect from the fact that you're wrong.

 

[Apex Predator]

Did you just come on here after an OT loss to update this?

My point here is that this team seems different to me. I believe this has to do with all of the new personnel, the new captain, the new coaches, and the new GM. Possibly the new CEO too.

Do you not think this team is different and purpose built for the playoffs than in previous years?

It's a yes or no question.

I love how there answer to yes or no is I think he did a fairly good job while sacrificing the future lol

Dubas did the exact same sacrificing the future but cant admit yes the team is built differently for the playoffs and this is why they are more successful.

 

[conFABulator]

I love how there answer to yes or no is I think he did a fairly good job while sacrificing the future lol

Dubas did the exact same sacrificing the future but cant admit yes the team is built differently for the playoffs and this is why they are more successful.

Yeah, that wasn't lost on me also. We have up two firsts (mid to late 20's) and Minten and Grebenkin. Minten is the loss here, but he will not give us Laughton is giving us over the next couple of years and Carlo rounds out our top four for the next couple of years

We kept Cowan, Danford, and the two goalies. We have Quillan also, don't sleep on him as a fourth line C. We signed a couple NCAA and CHL guys and we may go out and get a Euro too. Now is the time to read futures and they did it for guys with term.

 

[Dekes For Days]

This years defence has a better top four and it does matter that everyone up there plays on their strong side. Yes Babcock cared but so did Dubas eventually given his trades for Lyubushkin and Schenn back to back. There’s also no rookie who’s getting trial by fired in the middle of a playoff series like Sandin was who could screw up with overly risky plays or rookie mistakes.

Our current top 4 isn't better than it was that year. This team also has the same number of LHD and RHD as we did back then. The only real difference is that back then, one of our LHD was really good on the right side, and regularly played there long before he joined us. While it's nice to have equal LHD and RHD, it's not very common among cup winners or anyone else, and it doesn't make much of a difference. That's not the main reason why we got Lyubushkin and Schenn. And while I know many love to exaggerate any mistake a player like Sandin (who only played part of the series) made because we lost, rookies aren't inherently bad, and they are far from the only ones to make mistakes. We've seen plenty of mistakes this year.

Either the referenced stat means a team has the best D in the NHL or it doesn't. One cannot claim that X means Y while simultaneously claiming that X doesn't mean Y in previous instances.

I guess it doesn't really matter anymore, because we've dropped to 7th in 5v5 goal prevention this playoffs anyway.

 

[Dekes For Days]

This is the best version of our team though.
It's not about the point totals is about the buy in.

It's not the best version of our team though. It's not just about the point totals. It's countless different measures of team quality saying the same thing. There is no difference in "buy in". You just think that because the team is currently winning.

This team so far doesn't get rattled.

Lol. How many multi-goal leads have we given up again?

Correct because at the end of the day that's all the counts.

Everybody wants playoff wins, but there is a lot more to discuss.

You can say they had the fewest 5 on 5 goals against in 2021 all you want.
It doesn't matter because at the end of the day they lost in 7.

It was the only thing that mattered in that discussion, because the discussion was specifically about 5v5 goals against and what it meant, not series outcomes.

It's over it's done, any argument you thought you had in favour of Keefe and Dubas or against Treliving and Berbue is over. it ended the moment they won that 6th game regardless of how this playoffs ends

Lol no, that's not how hockey works. Learn to understand the game beyond just looking up how many playoff wins we have.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Playoff wins are irrelevant. We should've trusted the process that won us one round in five years

Do I have that right?

 

[eddieO]

I had a great marriage, fundamentally sound. Unfortunately, ran into the outcome of divorce.

Now, I’m happily married but it’s just not as strong of a marriage as my last one. I’m so glad I happened upon this thread because, for a moment, I thought my happy marriage was better. Thanks!