Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Never said which team is better, just pointing out that the argument we suddenly have bigger D is wrong.

I don't know why everyone gets upset when they say something wrong and are corrected.



This is what changing the subject looks like when you know your original comment is wrong.

A lot of words when you could have just said "You are right, the D we have now are not any bigger than years past".

So if our D isn't bigger or better...how are we winning? Aren't you guys the ones that were worried that Tre was building this team incorrectly because our problem in past series was goal scoring and not Defense? Funny how having a good D and a coach that made them "Practice" like its the playoffs for 82 games worked out well for the offense.

I think we are more like Montreal in the year they went to the finals. They had great goaltending, a stout D that wouldn't let you get to the net and were potting any real chance they got with a lot of odd man rushes. Sounds like the 2025 playoff Leafs...do you agree?

 

[Stephen]

I'm still wondering why Fenway Sports has not fired him yet ??

He was brought into the Pens organization with a direct mandate to give Crosby and Malkin a few more runs at the Stanley Cup in their later years.

So he inherits a team that finishes just outside the playoffs with 91 points (missing them by a single point) and now after 2 years has delivered 2 embarrassing non playoff finishes including an 80 point finish in 2024-25 & below .500.

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He fired his coach Sullivan recently to save his own ass, but its his own gross incompetence in understanding team building that should have been shown the door. IMO

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How this snake oil salesman keeps fooling people into believing he has a clue about anything is what's most puzzling, because even when all his failures are pointed out as clear as day he still seems to charm some caught up his glare.

Mercifully, that's all behind us now as we have a real GM in Treliving and the results speak for themselves. While Leaf Nation now basks in the enjoyment of winning and team success like we haven't had in a long time.

If I’m Fenway I probably just let Dubas President and GM his way through a few tank years a la Eddie Johnston and then hand over the whole operation to another president and GM duo once his contract is running down and the prospect pool is looking deeper.

 

[1specter]

So if our D isn't bigger or better...how are we winning? Aren't you guys the ones that were worried that Tre was building this team incorrectly because our problem in past series was goal scoring and not Defense? Funny how having a good D and a coach that made them "Practice" like its the playoffs for 82 games worked out well for the offense.

I think we are more like Montreal in the year they went to the finals. They had great goaltending, a stout D that wouldn't let you get to the net and were potting any real chance they got with a lot of odd man rushes. Sounds like the 2025 playoff Leafs...do you agree?

I like to use 2018 Capitals as a comparison rather than a fluke lottery team that made it on the back of Carey Price going god mode in a pandemic season.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We’ve won double the playoff games as in 2021. How were there good results in 2021?

The discussion was about defensive results...

 

[DarkKnight]

If I’m Fenway I probably just let Dubas President and GM his way through a few tank years a la Eddie Johnston and then hand over the whole operation to another president and GM duo once his contract is running down and the prospect pool is looking deeper.

I watched Dubas after he fired the coach. Hadn't seen him in awhile and was struck by how diminished he looked and sounded, it was quite something compared to his persona here. I don't think he lasts, they're in for a couple dismal years and his linguistics abilities don't have the same resonance, his confidence looked shot...or at least his narcissistic arrogance that he knows best was shaken. The press seemed hostile as well.

 

[Stephen]

The discussion was about defensive results...

No it isn’t. It’s a tiresome Kyle Dubas vs everybody debate that happened to land on defensive results by proxy.

 

[sunstersun]

Hmm, I was under the impression he had three goals and two assists in eight playoff games. Guess I was mistaken.

Stacked up games 1-4.

4 donuts in a row. Better not be a 5th.

 

[DarkKnight]

The big dumb defence Tre has brought in are one goal away from a Leafs playoff record. 9 straight goals they've been in on. Wow.

If only we had a Tyson Barrie, Dermott or Liligren back there.

 

[Dekes For Days]

No it isn’t.

Yes, it was. The discussion started with a graphic stating "Best D in the NHL, fewest goals against at 5v5 among playoff teams." I asked "We had the fewest goals against at 5v5 among playoff teams in 2021 too. Did we have the best D in the NHL that year?" to see if there was consistency in how that conclusion was applied. That's when you jumped in.

The "results" you referenced was from my post stating "You do realize that we're currently playing with the exact same number of RHD, right..? The only difference is that the 2021 defense also featured a LHD who played on the right side long before he got to us, and did it well. It wasn't poorly constructed. It had a good mixture of body types and roles, and that's why it got good results.". Clearly referring to the defensive results I had been discussing the entire time. Then for some reason you started talking about playoff wins, because apparently it's impossible to have a discussion about literally anything around here without it devolving into but.. but.. but.. playoff wins.

 

[Gabriel426]

I would disagree with that.

Marner has 10 points in 8 games

Matthews has 8 points in 8 games

Even Knies has 5 points in 8 games.

That line has 23 points in 8 games.

Nylander has been playing great there is no question about that.

I'm just not sure why people think he's the only one pulling his weight.

Now I would agree he's been the best player.

But he's not the only player pulling his weight.

when you are the highest paid player in the league, certain expectations apply.

Look at that McD did, had AM done that in any clutch situations so far this playoffs?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

when you are the highest paid player in the league, certain expectations apply.

Look at that McD did, had AM done that in any clutch situations so far this playoffs?

At this point nope.

And yet at the time that I write this they are up 2-0 in their 2nd round series and he has 8 points in 8 games.

he's producing you just don't notice because Nylander is exploding

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

the sentiment that nothing has changed, same old losers, insanity is doing the same thing etc etc, was widespread on here throughout the season, as it was in previous seasons. there are only a few regulars who have been steadfast believers throughout, and the most visible one (homer) was mocked relentlessly for his optimism.

It's basically been me and Homer.

I legitimately can't think of anyone else.

I'm sure there probably is but off the top of my head I can't think of them.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I watched Dubas after he fired the coach. Hadn't seen him in awhile and was struck by how diminished he looked and sounded, it was quite something compared to his persona here. I don't think he lasts, they're in for a couple dismal years and his linguistics abilities don't have the same resonance, his confidence looked shot...or at least his narcissistic arrogance that he knows best was shaken. The press seemed hostile as well.

The most off-putting thing about Dumbass is the unearned arrogance that just seems to waft off of him like bad cologne. It would be one thing if he had Theo Epstein level of success as a young "genius." It's another if your success is more to the level of JP Ricciardi. lol

I will say this in his defense though, he has a really hot sister.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Stacked up games 1-4.

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4 donuts in a row. Better not be a 5th.

Yes, it was. The discussion started with a graphic stating "Best D in the NHL, fewest goals against at 5v5 among playoff teams." I asked "We had the fewest goals against at 5v5 among playoff teams in 2021 too. Did we have the best D in the NHL that year?" to see if there was consistency in how that conclusion was applied. That's when you jumped in.

The "results" you referenced was from my post stating "You do realize that we're currently playing with the exact same number of RHD, right..? The only difference is that the 2021 defense also featured a LHD who played on the right side long before he got to us, and did it well. It wasn't poorly constructed. It had a good mixture of body types and roles, and that's why it got good results.". Clearly referring to the defensive results I had been discussing the entire time. Then for some reason you started talking about playoff wins, because apparently it's impossible to have a discussion about literally anything around here without it devolving into but.. but.. but.. playoff wins.

Correct because at the end of the day that's all the counts.

You can say they had the fewest 5 on 5 goals against in 2021 all you want.

It doesn't matter because at the end of the day they lost in 7.

You need to understand something you can't win an argument anymore.

It's over it's done, any argument you thought you had in favour of Keefe and Dubas or against Treliving and Berbue is over.

it ended the moment they won that 6th game regardless of how this playoffs ends

you and the rest of the cult of Kyle dubas

you lost

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

The big dumb defence Tre has brought in are one goal away from a Leafs playoff record. 9 straight goals they've been in on. Wow.

If only we had a Tyson Barrie, Dermott or Liligren back there.

Cha-Ching.

 

[Gabriel426]

At this point nope.

And yet at the time that I write this they are up 2-0 in their 2nd round series and he has 8 points in 8 games.

he's producing you just don't notice because Nylander is exploding

How many points had AM got in the 2nd round?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

How many points had AM got in the 2nd round?

At least 1 in game 2.

 

[notbias]

Cha-Ching.

The big dumb defence Tre has brought in are one goal away from a Leafs playoff record. 9 straight goals they've been in on. Wow.

If only we had a Tyson Barrie, Dermott or Liligren back there.

Random record, also, didn't happen...

I have been watching this team for years and in this era, we have not seen this. Two years ago when we beat Tampa in R1, we had 7 guys at 0.5 PPG, this squad has 11 guys at or above that mark.

Now at 7 + Robertson (2 GP).

Does the depth need to step it up now?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Random record, also, didn't happen...

It was true at the time. Not my fault the NHL changed the scoring.

 

[ClarkSittler]

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That os your PK goal differential... a lot of depth players, I skim your posts, I don't read them, not even sure what you're referring to with shorthanded goals.

I know you skim my posts, that's why your replies rarely make any sense.

So 11 for who you consider depth, and 17 for who you don't consider depth?

12 depth goals.

9 from the core four not name Nylander.

Depth should be doing more than that.

No they shouldn't.

McDavid has 2 goals so far, tell me he is not helping his team much, please.

Which GMs are taking Nylander over him?

Red Herring Fallacy

Knies has 0 goals without an assist by at least one of Marner/Matthews.

Line changes =/= playing in the bottom six...

This would mean that every time Marner and Knies change and Lorentz and Jankrok come out, Matthews is playing in the bottom six, this is another dumb idea.

Red Herring Fallacy.