Firing the GM after wanting to extend him a day before.
That is a decision based on emotion and is rash.
There weren't any good GM options last year either, it was bad timing.
Brad Treliving is doing a great job.
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Firing the GM after wanting to extend him a day before.
That is a decision based on emotion and is rash.
There weren't any good GM options last year either, it was bad timing.
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I have some bad and good news for you .
the bad for you
- Dubas will never be employed by the Leafs ever again which funny enough is also great news for Leaf fans since he's a useless piece of crap
but here's the good news for you
- he's employed in Pitt at least for now since he's in the process of destroying that team as well so you should go over to their board and cheer for him there since it seems your schtick is getting tired here
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It was a decision made when circumstances changed (ie. when Spreadsheet Dubious made a power play), that does not mean it was done on emotion or was rash.
There are some differences between regular season and playoff hockey, but the differences are not nearly enough to throw out relevant information. Why do you agree with that in some instances and then disagree with it in others? Why won't you answer how much weight you give each, or what sample size is required in the playoffs?
No, I refuted your claim about them not understanding roles, and didn't say anything about luck. I then discussed my concerns with Treliving's understanding.
Some of a GM's additions being players with some snot isn't inherently dumb. A GM focusing so heavily on snot specifically while ignoring critical roles and attributes is dumb. It's all about that balance you keep talking about. The players you named (along with McCabe and Gustafsson) bring a pretty varied mixture of attributes and impacts, and each of those players was brought in to address something different.
No, I've acknowledged the same context for both GMs, instead of just for one. And I'm not the one that's only looking at playoff series outcomes in the first place.
Most criticisms of him are exclusively hindsight, but we also weren't talking about Dubas. We were talking about Treliving (who actually did fail in ways that were widely predicted at the time) and general questions that you're not answering. Is it okay to use hindsight against a GM when the choice made at the time was reasonable? Should we consider the situation and realistic options or just demand results?
Adding some pending UFAs at the deadline doesn't make your roster a mess. We added 2 pending UFAs (plus a pending RFA) during this deadline too.
If you think Sandin (after getting most of the cheap years out of him) and a 2nd/3rd/4th is "all in on rentals", you have a very different definition of "all in". Downgrading the 1st and 2nd to two 5ths boosted Treliving's roster with 2 years of a 50% retained top-4 defenseman (who was our best defenseman in this year's playoffs), and a year of a cheap, versatile bottom six forward that can play all positions.
O'Rielly made less than Bertuzzi. Acciari made less than Kampf. Schenn made less than Klingberg. Gustafsson was basically league minimum, and a similar amount to Benoit. Lafferty already had a contract and made less than Reaves. Cap space wasn't a barrier to Treliving keeping them.
The only significant position was a top-4 defenseman, and if you count it as significant, a 3C. He had more than enough cap space. He just didn't get what we needed.
You don't. That's the point. Teams have to work with the options that are available to them. Teams can get good defensive and goaltending results without an expensive group of defensemen and goalies.
There were 2 confirmed offer sheets and lots of rumours about both them and discussions that didn't result in one. Which is quite a bit more than the nothing that we usually hear about offer sheets that aren't signed.
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Who confirmed them and where is this confirmation
Took the words right out of my mouth lol
I suspect Ferris or Paul lol
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Marner himself confirmed it. Go look for articles and interviews from when he signed.
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Friendly reminder to Tre that his priority is top 4 mobile D that will significantly improve the transition game.
His biggest blunder wasn't failing to get this Dman last season. His biggest blunder was thinking Liljegren was worthy of being Riellys transition side kick. Please don't make that mistake twice and just get us a top 4 transition D please.
His biggest blunder wasn't failing to get this Dman last season. His biggest blunder was thinking Liljegren was worthy of being Riellys transition side kick. Please don't make that mistake twice and just get us a top 4 transition D please.
He can’t play in the AHL as a 19 year old. The only options are the NHL, CHL or Europe
Do teams have only two Ds that can transition the puck? Can you point to any team in the second round that had as bad of D as us? What he assembled wasn't mobile.
His biggest blunder with D was targeting 5-6 #6D who can't do anything offensively.
We had a lot of issues on the backend, as well as other places.
He went out and got the best coach available yesterday.
Up to this point Treliving hasn't done a single thing I have disagreed with, that Could change Depending On the Marnerreturn If he's traded But as of now Brad TrelivingHasn't done a single thing I've disagreed with So far So Good.
Up to this point Treliving hasn't done a single thing I have disagreed with, that Could change Depending On the Marnerreturn If he's traded But as of now Brad TrelivingHasn't done a single thing I've disagreed with So far So Good.
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It feels like Treliving is pressing a lot of the "conventional" buttons going for size, grit, hard nosed coaching, and when you look at Dallas, Florida and New York in the semi finals this seems to be the right direction.
As I've always said. We had a unique collection of talent and all we needed to do was protect them with a conventional core and not reinvent the wheel.
As I've always said. We had a unique collection of talent and all we needed to do was protect them with a conventional core and not reinvent the wheel.
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It's so that the Junior leagues can have star players as well and generate revenue. If they let every player that puts up 100+ pts go, the league becomes a watered down product.
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Klingberg - good plan -bad execution -did not replace after going on LTIR which left 44 on PP
Reaves - one year too long
Kampf - huge overpay
Nylander - caved too early -should have waited.
Matthews - too much much money -not enough term -until he can score/dominate in the playoffs he does not deserve that contract IMO.
The good far outweighs the bad. Has not had to give up assets for mistakes.
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I do think the Kampf and reaves signings can be easy fixes. You can trade Kampf and reaves you just bury it.
How does Dallas or New York fit this?
Even Florida is not built on size/grit/hard-nosed coaching, they are mostly built on skill.
And whoever comes out of Edmonton/Vancouver is the same.
All the teams with the most size and grit are out.
I agree that Reaves contract is a year to long but by the time we get to the final year it will be completely buriable anyway
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Curious if we replace David Kampf with Oskar Sundqvist. Berube guy, one year older, one inch taller, 20 pounds heavier, $900K cheaper.
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I'd imagine Dewar likely slides into 4C and they find someone better suited offensively for 3c duties
IF they try and move on from Kampf which obviously isn't a given
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I agree with good coaching, but Dallas and the Rangers aren't about size and grit at all. Both have world class goalies and high-end offensive players who are performing in the playoffs. Other than Kreider (who is hardly physical himself), the Rangers' best players are some of the least physical players in the league. Dallas is a bunch of not very big, and certainly not very physical, guys. Obviously every team has some element of physicality, just as the Leafs have had every year since this current group came into place. That has never been the problem. The problem has almost always been two very clear and obvious things:
1. Mediocre goaltending.
2. Star players not performing in tight-checking games.
Number one can be fixed. Number two isn't going to be fixed by adding more grit. It has been proven time and again for the last 5 or 6 years. No amount of grit in the lineup changes how Matthews, Marner and Tavares play in the playoffs. The hope is that a new coach can change it.
lets look at Matthews for example, the differences between his numbers in the regular season and in the playoffs...
Regular Season:
| GP:562 | G:368 | A:281 | P:649 |
Playoffs:
| GP:55 | G:23 | A:25 | P:48 |
why is that?
