Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[CelticDruid]

Just to be clear, nothing in your posts have been edited. There have also been no deflections from me. I was asked a question about why we added at the deadline last year, and I gave an accurate answer. "Pieces were added at the deadline to give a further boost to a top team, to help support the loss of Muzzin, and to get cap efficient pieces that could help us beyond that year." That statement remains true.

You quoted me and argued that a 110 point team was "mediocre" and in need of "rescue", and suggested that we didn't receive cap efficient pieces with term. I explained to you why you were wrong on each point and you shifted to arguing that the only thing that mattered when evaluating a team's quality in a season was the team's contextless playoff series outcomes 1-4 years prior, and not how they were actually performing or the results they were getting in that season. I then explained to you why that was wrong, and you shifted to arguing about the "importance" of certain games to fans/players, instead of the representative value of the different samples that we were discussing. I've done all I can, but I can't help somebody that refuses to be helped.

If Treliving had actually been able to keep this as a 110+ point team, he would be adding this deadline too, just like any GM.

We have no assets!

That cupboard has been stripped bare, gutted by that idiot GM who now stumps as the Pittsburgh GM.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Not sure there's a lot of variation within this question.

Not really, but there is some.

 

[Racer88]

Nope but if we were to trade him he would score 30 goals in 16 games.

Ya no kidding eh

 

[Maple Leaf]

We have no assets!

That cupboard has been stripped bare, gutted by that idiot GM who now stumps as the Pittsburgh GM.

I would get jkadri

 

[arso40]

I would get jkadri

Can’t afford it and that contract will not age well

 

[notDatsyuk]

Just to be clear, nothing in your posts have been edited. There have also been no deflections from me. I was asked a question about why we added at the deadline last year, and I gave an accurate answer. "Pieces were added at the deadline to give a further boost to a top team, to help support the loss of Muzzin, and to get cap efficient pieces that could help us beyond that year." That statement remains true.

You quoted me and argued that a 110 point team was "mediocre" and in need of "rescue", and suggested that we didn't receive cap efficient pieces with term. I explained to you why you were wrong on each point and you shifted to arguing that the only thing that mattered when evaluating a team's quality in a season was the team's contextless playoff series outcomes 1-4 years prior, and not how they were actually performing or the results they were getting in that season. I then explained to you why that was wrong, and you shifted to arguing about the "importance" of certain games to fans/players, instead of the representative value of the different samples that we were discussing. I've done all I can, but I can't help somebody that refuses to be helped.

If Treliving had actually been able to keep this as a 110+ point team, he would be adding this deadline too, just like any GM.

You edit out half of the post you quote, and the first thing you say is "nothing in your posts have been edited".

You're really something.

 

[hullsy47]

If we're going to make a trade, switching Bertuzzi for something else would be my preference too. Ideally, we could get a defenseman for him, and give Robertson his spot.
Could potentially get better offensively and defensively with one move, and avoid using futures.

I agree I think it's safe to sat Bert isn't getting any long term deal of North of 5 million after his performance so far
He'd basically have to be a top 3 Leaf in scoring during a long playoff run to get a bigger payday
But I only move him for a defenseman

 

[Dekes For Days]

I agree I think it's safe to sat Bert isn't getting any long term deal of North of 5 million after his performance so far
He'd basically have to be a top 3 Leaf in scoring during a long playoff run to get a bigger payday
But I only move him for a defenseman

Defenseman is ideal. I'd also probably trade him for a two-way 3C that can PK, as our loss of PKers has hurt us, and I'd feel much more comfortable building a sort of shutdown 3rd line than one that has to be defensively sheltered.

We have no assets!

We have a ton of assets. Spending a few draft picks does not deplete a team of all assets, especially when picks are also brought back in at the same time.

You edit out half of the post you quote, and the first thing you say is "nothing in your posts have been edited"

Quoting the statements that I'm responding to (that at least pretend to be about hockey instead of just attacking and misrepresenting me) is not "editing your post". Your words are unaltered, and it's common practice. Mods do it. Heck, 4thline also did literally the exact thing same on the previous page, and you had nothing to say to him. You're clearly just trying to instigate fights.

 

[thusk]

Defenseman is ideal. I'd also probably trade him for a two-way 3C that can PK, as our loss of PKers has hurt us, and I'd feel much more comfortable building a sort of shutdown 3rd line than one that has to be defensively sheltered.

We have a ton of assets. Spending a few draft picks does not deplete a team of all assets, especially when picks are also brought back in at the same time.

Quoting the statements that I'm responding to (that at least pretend to be about hockey instead of just attacking and misrepresenting me) is not "editing your post". Your words are unaltered, and it's common practice. Mods do it. Heck, 4thline also did literally the exact thing same on the previous page, and you had nothing to say to him. You're clearly just trying to instigate fights.

leafs 4th linr is build like a shutdown line, they dont need to build their 3rd line the same way

 

[Dekes For Days]

leafs 4th linr is build like a shutdown line, they dont need to build their 3rd line the same way

Gregor-Kampf-McMann/Reaves is not a shutdown line. It's not really an anything line.

 

[thewave]

Great job in Toronto as far as the Leafs go is a very low bar. Dubas was praised here for actually doing nothing

 

[TMLAM34]

Gregor-Kampf-McMann/Reaves is not a shutdown line. It's not really an anything line.

Was about to say… The Leafs do not have a proper shutdown line.

Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg

Could potentially be a solid fourth/shutdown line if given a look. Not sure if Keefe will do it though unfortunately.

 

[thusk]

Gregor-Kampf-McMann/Reaves is not a shutdown line. It's not really an anything line.

yes it is...

Kampf is the leafs defensive specialist and thats why leafs pay him, certainly not for his offensive and why hes amount center taking the most defensive faceoff in NHL.

you can like it or not but defensive leafs specialist is Kampf and will still Kampf after TDL... nut if leafs can raise the D, thats will help kampf to do his job like he can

Kampf is the exact definition of bottom 6 shutdown center

 

[Buds17]

yes it is...

Kampf is the leafs defensive specialist and thats why leafs pay him, certainly not for his offensive and why hes amount center taking the most defensive faceoff in NHL.

you can like it or not but defensive leafs specialist is Kampf and will still Kampf after TDL... nut if leafs can raise the D, thats will help kampf to do his job like he can

Kampf is the exact definition of bottom 6 shutdown center

Kampf certainly has a history of playing well/better defensively for the team. I'd say the wingers are the bigger detriment to the line being better in that aspect.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

judging by the summer he had in Pitt he didn't seem to learn anything

and why is his fan club so sensitive every time anyone mentions his fake lens glasses ?

As person who was born with the need to wear glasses it bugs the shit out of me that someone would wear them to look "Smart". That, in my opinion, is really skeevy. Like, how badly do you care if someone thinks you're smart compared to proving you're smart by your actions. It just leads to people thinking you're: 1. Not serious about the results as much as the perceived results and 2. It's a literal disability that you're pretending to have in order to make yourself look better.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Maybe he should have put more focus on making good signings in the first place, instead of focusing on safeguards against his own damage.

You mean like the Mrazek signing by Dubas?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Kampf is the leafs defensive specialist and thats why leafs pay him, certainly not for his offensive and why hes amount center taking the most defensive faceoff in NHL.
you can like it or not but defensive leafs specialist is Kampf and will still Kampf after TDL... nut if leafs can raise the D, thats will help kampf to do his job like he can
Kampf is the exact definition of bottom 6 shutdown center

A line is 3 players. Kampf is capable of being a defensive center, but that doesn't make Gregor-Kampf-McMann/Reaves a shutdown line.

You mean like the Mrazek signing by Dubas?

Not sure what Mrazek has to do with anything. Nobody expects every single move a GM makes (especially goalies) to work out perfectly. Similarly, Samsonov struggling is not really held much against Treliving, because it was done for justified reasons. There is however an expectation that a GM will not make multiple obviously bad signings, create combinations of players that obviously won't work, ignore everything that needs addressing, and have pretty much all significant signings range from disappointment to disaster.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

A line is 3 players. Kampf is capable of being a defensive center, but that doesn't make Gregor-Kampf-McMann/Reaves a shutdown line.

Not sure what Mrazek has to do with anything. Nobody expects every single move a GM makes (especially goalies) to work out perfectly. Similarly, Samsonov struggling is not really held much against Treliving, because it was done for justified reasons. There is however an expectation that a GM will not make multiple obviously bad signings, create combinations of players that obviously won't work, ignore everything that needs addressing, and have pretty much all significant signings range from disappointment to disaster.

Whew Lad....

 

[thusk]

Kampf certainly has a history of playing well/better defensively for the team. I'd say the wingers are the bigger detriment to the line being better in that aspect.

A line is 3 players. Kampf is capable of being a defensive center, but that doesn't make Gregor-Kampf-McMann/Reaves a shutdown line.

Not sure what Mrazek has to do with anything. Nobody expects every single move a GM makes (especially goalies) to work out perfectly. Similarly, Samsonov struggling is not really held much against Treliving, because it was done for justified reasons. There is however an expectation that a GM will not make multiple obviously bad signings, create combinations of players that obviously won't work, ignore everything that needs addressing, and have pretty much all significant signings range from disappointment to disaster.

deke so contraily tonwhat you said, its not a 2 who can play shutdown role leafs need to find but complementary player to Kampf

and what i said a better D group will just help everyone in this line up to look better defensivly. For me its certainly possible to create a kind of cizikas-clutterbuck-Martin line with Kampf

 

[Dekes For Days]

deke so contraily tonwhat you said, its not a 2 who can play shutdown role leafs need to find but complementary player to Kampf
and what i said a better D group will just help everyone in this line up to look better defensivly. For me its certainly possible to create a kind of cizikas-clutterbuck-Martin line with Kampf

Again, nobody said anything about Kampf except you. I already said I would prefer a defenseman, but if that isn't possible, I'd prefer a two-way 3C who can PK, and push Kampf down to the 4th line and at least have somebody defensively competent there.

 

[thusk]

Again, nobody said anything about Kampf except you. I already said I would prefer a defenseman, but if that isn't possible, I'd prefer a two-way 3C who can PK, and push Kampf down to the 4th line and at least have somebody defensively competent there.

leafs traded for oreilly and he didn't move the needle at all and despite the win in 1st round, lewfs was a worst tea.m than the year before...maybe its because it wasn't the real leafs need.

what i said its with Kampf you dont need a 2way c ( the funny thing its that look like want a kerfoot type of player back). you can have a player like domi who can bring more offensive than most 3C in NHL. When you need a goal, you can use domi more and kampf less to get that goal, when youre leading youre using kampf more and cut Domi ice time.

i just dont know why its should be a issue here. they better focusing on D because whatever what leafs doing, if they dont improve in D, they dont get any chance to win in playoff with pratically Benoit as top shutdown D.

 

[Dekes For Days]

leafs traded for oreilly and he didn't move the needle at all and despite the win in 1st round, lewfs was a worst tea.m than the year before...maybe its because it wasn't the real leafs need.

what i said its with Kampf you dont need a 2way c ( the funny thing its that look like want a kerfoot type of player back). you can have a player like domi who can bring more offensive than most 3C in NHL. When you need a goal, you can use domi more and kampf less to get that goal, when youre leading youre using kampf more and cut Domi ice time.

i just dont know why its should be a issue here. they better focusing on D because whatever what leafs doing, if they dont improve in D, they dont get any chance to win in playoff with pratically Benoit as top shutdown D.

Of course O'Rielly helped us. And for the third time, I already said I'd prefer a D. We're talking about if there aren't options for that in a Bertuzzi trade.
Kampf is not a two-way C. He is a defensive C. It's possible to build a bottom six shutdown line featuring him with the right pieces, but we don't have those pieces anymore.
I think adding a center that can produce offensively and also provide the defense that Domi lacks would be more beneficial, and could allow us to create combinations where only 1 line needs sheltering, instead of 3.

 

[thusk]

Of course O'Rielly helped us. And for the third time, I already said I'd prefer a D. We're talking about if there aren't options for that in a Bertuzzi trade.
Kampf is not a two-way C. He is a defensive C. It's possible to build a bottom six shutdown line featuring him with the right pieces, but we don't have those pieces anymore.
I think adding a center that can produce offensively and also provide the defense that Domi lacks would be more beneficial, and could allow us to create combinations where only 1 line needs sheltering, instead of 3.

its not 1 D leafs need but 2...

if you want to make bottom 6 better, adding player will change absolutly nothing if the issue in D is not solve, would just be waste of asset.

so if leafs cant find any solution in D, their playoff run will be pretty short

 

[Leaf Fans]

You mean like the Mrazek signing by Dubas?

He just got a $450,000 raise in Chicago.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

He just got a $450,000 raise in Chicago.

His reward for getting them Bedard and maybe Celebrini.