Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Menzinger]

In the Hyman situation we see the fallout of the Leafs top-heavy approach to cap management.

1) Hyman walks because the Leafs can't afford him and is replaced by a cheaper (but less effective) option in Bunting.
2) When Bunting becomes a free agent he walks and is replaced by Knies at about the same cost but with lots of upside.
3) If Knies lives up to that upside before his ELC is done, he'll be in line for a significant raise and the Leafs may not be able to afford him either.

So, by sticking with this core four and rolling the Brinks truck up to their door each time they need a new contract the Leafs have been forced into a revolving door with virtually every other position on the team outside of LD1 with Reilly.

Worth noting the Leafs COULD have afforded to keep Hyman, they just opted to spend the money elsewhere (to some controversy).

Knies doesn't have arbitration rights yet, they can keep him on the cheaper end for the foreseeable future.

And on the flip side, the Leafs revolving door of support players has as much to do not wanting to keep certain players long term than because of cap. Guys like Bunting had worn out their welcome (Mirtle says they didn't even try to start negotiations with his agent), but they have always found money when they wanted a guy - Brodie, Muzzin ect all locked in for 5 year deals.

Hyman is probably the only guy who I think folks really missed in not extending

 

[uncleben]

Matthews, Nylander, Kampf - no discounts, no tough negotiations resulting in "team friendly" deals
No change from the previous regime, really.

(Plus, Klingberg, Reaves - even Bertuzzi is a little pricey for what he's actually bringing, though I am liking him mostly)

 

[kevsh]

They were offering him similar money, it was the term/NMC that was the problem.

How often does “signing a 30 year old grinder with multiple ACL injuries to an 8 year deal” end up well? 99% of the time it ends in LTIR or paying to dump them, this was the 0.0001% where it ends up with them tripling their normal goalscoring.

This is all fine and true, but if he was a 27 year old with no injury history they still wouldn't have been able to sign him.

In fact, the better he was the less likely they could have signed him as the price would've been even higher, nor would it have made sense to since they already had 2 wingers combining for over $18M on their own, and 4 forwards in total making $40M+.

If the Leafs had utilized more practical cap space allocation (start with some love on the blue line and in net), it's still likely Hyman would've cost too much but under the circumstances at the time it was impossible.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I don't think you can overrated what he did for the team and how he played for us. He was outstanding. Definitely should've kept him. Was a no brainer to me. But we needed to keep the likes of Holl, Kerfoot and our flawed goalies.

A lot of people were saying that Hyman was going to break down at some point and not be worth the money. I looked at it like he was going to go on LTIR...so no risk really as far as contract goes. We let him go for $500k or so..... That's when Dubas took a stand...not on Marner or Matthews...but a lousy 500k on Hyman. So stupid.

 

[Niagara Bill]

While we are on the subject of Leaf decisions, WTF does Wickenheiser do on this club. Big title, never visible as it comes to Leafs, plays around with minor hockey,
Actually insulting to many candidates that she seems to get the big title unearned, little responsibility, little authority and smiles in the press.
I get she is a hockey hero and legend, but she gets to play in the sand box without accountability. How does this help women in hockey. How does this help the Leafs.

 

[Leaf Fans]

While we are on the subject of Leaf decisions, WTF does Wickenheiser do on this club. Big title, never visible as it comes to Leafs, plays around with minor hockey,
Actually insulting to many candidates that she seems to get the big title unearned, little responsibility, little authority and smiles in the press.
I get she is a hockey hero and legend, but she gets to play in the sand box without accountability. How does this help women in hockey. How does this help the Leafs.

What do you mean? You don't what she does.

 

[FerrisRox]

While we are on the subject of Leaf decisions, WTF does Wickenheiser do on this club. Big title, never visible as it comes to Leafs, plays around with minor hockey,
Actually insulting to many candidates that she seems to get the big title unearned, little responsibility, little authority and smiles in the press.
I get she is a hockey hero and legend, but she gets to play in the sand box without accountability. How does this help women in hockey. How does this help the Leafs.

How on earth do you pretend to know what she does and doesn't do in that office? How do you know she has no accountability? What are you talking about?

 

[uncleben]

While we are on the subject of Leaf decisions, WTF does Wickenheiser do on this club. Big title, never visible as it comes to Leafs, plays around with minor hockey,
Actually insulting to many candidates that she seems to get the big title unearned, little responsibility, little authority and smiles in the press.
I get she is a hockey hero and legend, but she gets to play in the sand box without accountability. How does this help women in hockey. How does this help the Leafs.

What makes you assume she does nothing/has little responsibility, little authority?

She's the AGM in charge of Player Development.
She oversees the development team (Danielle Goyette, Nik Antropov, Rich Clune, Denver Manderson, Paul Matheson, Curtis McElhinney, Michele Moore Davison, Patrick O’Sullivan, Tomas Pacina, and Joe Underwood) and acts as the go-between with their needs and Treliving/Shanahan, covering players in junior, college, overseas, and pro.

Before her in the role was Scott Pellerin - an individual that I'm sure was not called out for having his title unearned nor accused of only being there for a smile...
They just updated all of the titles (Senior Director of Player Development ->Assistant General Manager, Player Development) to make the internal structure more consistent.

As for unearned...
She studied kinesiology and the human body, with a focus in athletics, and is a resident medical doctor - so safe to say she understands the human body and how to safely and properly push it and develop it.
She famously founded WickFest, a hockey skills clinic for both coaches and players.
She worked her way up through the organization starting as a skills coach, then assistant director of player development, before settling in as Senior/AGM.

Oh, yeah, and she's also just a multi-sport athlete, 6 time Olympian, first female skater to play men's pro, Team Canada all-time leader, and regarded as one of (if not the) best female hockey player ever - so she may know just a little bit about hockey and developing as an athlete.

 

[ToneDog]

Sorry Brad has not passed all the tests.

 

[29Potvin]

A lot of people were saying that Hyman was going to break down at some point and not be worth the money. I looked at it like he was going to go on LTIR...so no risk really as far as contract goes. We let him go for $500k or so..... That's when Dubas took a stand...not on Marner or Matthews...but a lousy 500k on Hyman. So stupid.

You can also say Hyman was required to do a lot of thr heavy lifting for the Leafs playing with AM34/MM. Play in the dirty areas get the puck in the corner and playing with guys that were not mature and more of a high-school culture. Hyman didnt fit with thr cool kids. As soon as he went to Edmonton he was training with McDavid and Dri and that team/line open up space for him and allow him to play his game in a less demanding way. Many fans felt the same way about Hyman and he proved us wrong and im happy for him.

 

[Mess]

You can also say Hyman was required to do a lot of thr heavy lifting for the Leafs playing with AM34/MM. Play in the dirty areas get the puck in the corner and playing with guys that were not mature and more of a high-school culture. Hyman didnt fit with thr cool kids. As soon as he went to Edmonton he was training with McDavid and Dri and that team/line open up space for him and allow him to play his game in a less demanding way. Many fans felt the same way about Hyman and he proved us wrong and im happy for him.

Leafs problem come playoff time is they need more players like Hyman that does all the heavy lifting for star players when the checking gets tight and the hitting gets harder.

Tyler Bertuzzi is a poor man's Hyman playing a similar crash the net style and willing to play in traffic and go the the tough area's but Leafs are paying him even more than Hyman makes.

 

[29Potvin]

Leafs problem come playoff time is they need more players like Hyman that does all the heavy lifting for star players when the checking gets tight and the hitting gets harder.

I dont disagree with that but those types of players breakdown with time and thats what was happening with Hyman until he started playing with guys that would take some of that work off him.It takes more than one of them per team look at Coleman, Goodrow, Killorn played that type of hockey for the Lightning and won cups cashed in but have yet to reach that level of play again.

 

[29Potvin]

Brad should announce a sign and trade for Tanev that sends two first and Robertson to the Flames for Tanev no retention and 6x6 extension.
Love Willy and cand blame the player if the employer is willing to pay.
Not sure any of us would.

 

[Sypher04]

Leafs problem come playoff time is they need more players like Hyman that does all the heavy lifting for star players when the checking gets tight and the hitting gets harder.

Tyler Bertuzzi is a poor man's Hyman playing a similar crash the net style and willing to play in traffic and go the the tough area's but Leafs are paying him even more than Hyman makes.

This is a commonly spouted sentiment that simply isn’t true. Hyman himself was just a playoff underperformer here. Good player, but the degree to which he is out there doing the “heavy lifting” for his linemates is grossly overrated.

 

[uncleben]

Brad should announce a sign and trade for Tanev that sends two first and Robertson to the Flames for Tanev no retention and 6x6 extension.
Love Willy and cand blame the player if the employer is willing to pay.
Not sure any of us would.

That is major overpayment for Tanev, both the trade and contract


As to your second part. Don't blame Willy one bit (or AM, MM, JT)

 

[al secord]

In a few years, which contract will be regarded worse, Huberdeau or Nylander?

 

[nuck]

In a few years, which contract will be regarded worse, Huberdeau or Nylander?

Is the worst player collapse in history the yardstick for a good contract now?

Leafs problem come playoff time is they need more players like Hyman that does all the heavy lifting for star players when the checking gets tight and the hitting gets harder.

Tyler Bertuzzi is a poor man's Hyman playing a similar crash the net style and willing to play in traffic and go the the tough area's but Leafs are paying him even more than Hyman makes.

One complaint about Hyman was that he didn't have another gear in the playoffs as a Leaf. He faded just like the rest but doesn't seem to have the same problem in Edmonton, even with Woody as his coach.

Brad should announce a sign and trade for Tanev that sends two first and Robertson to the Flames for Tanev no retention and 6x6 extension.
Love Willy and cand blame the player if the employer is willing to pay.
Not sure any of us would.

Tanev is way too old to earn that deal and they will need their 1sts for other players,.

 

[29Potvin]

That is major overpayment for Tanev, both the trade and contract


As to your second part. Don't blame Willy one bit (or AM, MM, JT)

It was a joke, the moment it is official the fans will call for Tres head even more than they already do.
People being mad at players for the team pay them these crazy amounts.
Shanny and MLSE can put a stop to it but they continue the circle of life.

Is the worst player collapse in history the yardstick for a good contract now?


One complaint about Hyman was that he didn't have another gear in the playoffs as a Leaf. He faded just like the rest but doesn't seem to have the same problem in Edmonton, even with Woody as his coach.


Tanev is way too old to earn that deal and they will need their 1sts for other players,.

It was a joke about Tre overpaying

 

[nuck]

It was a joke, the moment it is official the fans will call for Tres head even more than they already do.
People being mad at players for the team pay them these crazy amounts.
Shanny and MLSE can put a stop to it but they continue the circle of life.


It was a joke about Tre overpaying

Hah okay. I am a slow starter in morning

 

[rumman]

Sorry Brad has not passed all the tests.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss………

 

[Niagara Bill]

What makes you assume she does nothing/has little responsibility, little authority?

She's the AGM in charge of Player Development.
She oversees the development team (Danielle Goyette, Nik Antropov, Rich Clune, Denver Manderson, Paul Matheson, Curtis McElhinney, Michele Moore Davison, Patrick O’Sullivan, Tomas Pacina, and Joe Underwood) and acts as the go-between with their needs and Treliving/Shanahan, covering players in junior, college, overseas, and pro.

Before her in the role was Scott Pellerin - an individual that I'm sure was not called out for having his title unearned nor accused of only being there for a smile...
They just updated all of the titles (Senior Director of Player Development ->Assistant General Manager, Player Development) to make the internal structure more consistent.

As for unearned...
She studied kinesiology and the human body, with a focus in athletics, and is a resident medical doctor - so safe to say she understands the human body and how to safely and properly push it and develop it.
She famously founded WickFest, a hockey skills clinic for both coaches and players.
She worked her way up through the organization starting as a skills coach, then assistant director of player development, before settling in as Senior/AGM.

Oh, yeah, and she's also just a multi-sport athlete, 6 time Olympian, first female skater to play men's pro, Team Canada all-time leader, and regarded as one of (if not the) best female hockey player ever - so she may know just a little bit about hockey and developing as an athlete.

I know she has great pedigree, just trying find out wtf she does. Her doctor and kinesiologyhas no effect on her funtion that appears obvious.. If what you say is true she seems to have value.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

While we are on the subject of Leaf decisions, WTF does Wickenheiser do on this club. Big title, never visible as it comes to Leafs, plays around with minor hockey,
Actually insulting to many candidates that she seems to get the big title unearned, little responsibility, little authority and smiles in the press.
I get she is a hockey hero and legend, but she gets to play in the sand box without accountability. How does this help women in hockey. How does this help the Leafs.

Lol what a random rant.

 

[Bomber0104]

Lol what a random rant.

Really though.

Imagine waking up on a Monday morning with a bone to pick with Hayley Wickenheiser on the internet

 

[Fogelhund]

I know she has great pedigree, just trying find out wtf she does. Her doctor and kinesiologyhas no effect on her funtion that appears obvious.. If what you say is true she seems to have value.

So that's really what is bothering you on a Monday morning? That a woman has a great job, that you don't understand, so you thought you'd rant about it?

 

[Buds17]

In a few years, which contract will be regarded worse, Huberdeau or Nylander?

Huberdeau. The Nylander contract will stand out more because Huberdeau's AAV is the highest on Calgary by a good margin.