Brad Treliving ended the myth in just over 5 hours.

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Now you are going to ask what is the myth? And it's really very simple.

I'm talking about the myth that I have heard since about 2019.

We can't afford proper depth scoring because we spend to much money on the core 4.

Now that was bullshit, it's always been bullshit and all you had to do to prove that was look around the league and you would have seen Florida, Tampa, Vegas,NYR etc. all spending a minimum of 40% of their capon 4 or 5, MAYBE 6 players, regardless it's always a small group.

Now just looking around should be enough to kill that myth, but if it wasn't Brad Treliving killed that bullshit Myth in what? 5 hours?

The second that Tyler Bertuzzi put his name on a contract that myth was dead, but if somehow it wasn't then it took it's last breath the second that Max Domi put his name on a contract.

The big 4, are still the big 4, their cap hits don't change, yes the salary cap went up 1 million but that's not enough to make any real difference..Yet Brad was able to do what I was told couldn't be done because we spend to much money on the core 4.

He added not 1, but 2 legitimate top 6 forwards including the best player in free agency.

He added not 1 but 2 legitimate support scorers.

And in doing so not only did he make the Leafs incredibly deep offensively but he killed the Myth that the Leafs spend to much money on the core 4 to add proper depth scoring, it's simply not true and it never has been.

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[Isaac Nootin]

Capfriendly currently has the Leafs at 8+ million over the cap and that's without Samsonov signed. What am I missing?

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Capfriendly currently has the Leafs at 8+ million over the cap and that's without Samsonov signed. What am I missing?

Muzzin on LTIR and Murray launched into the sun

 

[hullsy47]

Capfriendly currently has the Leafs at 8+ million over the cap and that's without Samsonov signed. What am I missing?

And about 10 million coming off the books
Maybe more if brodie gets moved and gio retires
I'd like gio in a coaching role myself

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Capfriendly currently has the Leafs at 8+ million over the cap and that's without Samsonov signed. What am I missing?

#1 they employ the guy who literally helped write the CBA so I'm not worried about it.

If I had to guess though

Step 1 Muzzin on LTIR

Step 2 Murray on LTIR/traded he's Matt Murray I'm leaning towards LTIR he will get injured.

Step 3 Trade Timmins and/or Lafferty

 

[notbias]

Part of the reason we have depth scoring this year is we sacrificed defense, and we have some prospects ready to play.

Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, Woll, Timmins, Liljegren, all those players are helping us get depth.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Part of the reason we have depth scoring this year is we sacrificed defense, and we have some prospects ready to play.

Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, Woll, Timmins, Liljegren, all those players are helping us get depth.

Robertson has absolutely nothing to do with it,the kid is constantly injured he hasn't got a damn thing to do with it.

I don't think Timmins does either I think he's about to get sacrificed, it's him or Lafferty potentially both.

 

[notbias]

Robertson has absolutely nothing to do with it,the kid is constantly injured he hasn't got a damn thing to do with it.

I don't think Timmins does either I think he's about to get sacrificed, it's him or Lafferty potentially both.

Neither needs to be traded. Robertson still gives them an option.

Gio is our #6 if Timmins goes.

We have prospects coming in now who can play, this was largely missing before, but it is allowing us to get depth. Knies alone is likely going to push either Domi or Bertuzzi to the 3rd line and Jarnkrok might be able to push someone else down too.

Cheap capable depth and prospects are for sure helping the team with depth.

 

[Gaberd2608]

I think this was a unique year. With the cap set to go up next year BT was able to get Bertuzzi, Klinberg, and Domi on 1 year deals. In a normal workd, I dont think any of them sign 1 year deals. With Matthews and Nylanders new deals kicking in next year and marner the year after it would be almost impossible as we dont know how much cap they are going to eat up.

Not taking anything away from BT, he still convinced the players to sign with us at reasonable amounts but I dont think it plays out in another year the same way.

It also helped that we had some expiring contracts like kerfoot and holl.

 

[LeafsFan89]

Tbh so far Tre has just done what Dubas did last year and got his ROR and Acciari one year rentals in Domi and Bertuzzi. The core 4 remains in tact.

The core 4 needs to be changed. I will wait and see what he does for the rest of the summer. Seems decent so far.

 

[notbias]

I think this was a unique year. With the cap set to go up next year BT was able to get Bertuzzi, Klinberg, and Domi on 1 year deals. In a normal workd, I dont think any of them sign 1 year deals. With Matthews and Nylanders new deals kicking in next year and marner the year after it would be almost impossible as we dont know how much cap they are going to eat up.

Not taking anything away from BT, he still convinced the players to sign with us at reasonable amounts but I dont think it plays out in another year the same way.

It also helped that we had some expiring contracts like kerfoot and holl.

This will be ignored just as much as the pandemic affecting our team more than any other team.

 

[Tripledeke333]

IMO Dubas is the biggest fraud in hockey. Treviling did a great job adding depth, and a much better job than Dubas ever had done. They got a top 6 power forward, one of the best offensive Dmen, an offensive forward who will be pumped to play for the team given his Dad’s legacy, and some grit, without having to give up any assets.

People raved about the ability of Dubas to add depth. Treviling is doing much better in regard to that.

 

[AvroArrow]

Capfriendly currently has the Leafs at 8+ million over the cap and that's without Samsonov signed. What am I missing?

Murray is going to be dumped and then you just really need to make 1 trade after that

 

[notbias]

Murray is going to be dumped and then you just really need to make 1 trade after that

0 trades need to be made if Samsanov is at 3 million or less (outside of Murray)

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Just because the Leafs have a lot of players competing for roster spots doesn't mean they have good depth.

Lets start by looking at the players who were on the roster for the playoffs that have left, and compare them to their replacements.

Out: O'Reilly, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR, Acciari, Holl, Schenn

In: Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves, Knies, Klingberg

O'Reilly - nobody replaced O'Reilly. That's a downgrade, and a pretty big one at that.

Bunting/Bertuzzi - Bunting wishes he was Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi stays healthy this should be an upgrade.

Kerfoot/Domi - Good riddance Alexander Kerfoot. Addition by subtraction.

ZAR & Acciari/Reaves - An upgrade on toughness and a downgrade on everything else.

Holl/Klingberg - This is a lot closer than a lot of Leafs fans care to admit.

Schenn - nobody replaced the one man wrecking crew on defense. Now the Leafs back end looks wimpier than ever.

They are counting on some combination of Robertson, Holmberg, Knies, and McMann to upgrade any of the players on the bottom six last year who left for greener pastures. Which leaves Reaves as the only actual NHL player replacing someone. Let's hope Treliving still picks up some better bottom six players.

Keep the real duds in the AHL where they belong.

 

[BallardEra]

Part of the reason we have depth scoring this year is we sacrificed defense, and we have some prospects ready to play.

Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, Woll, Timmins, Liljegren, all those players are helping us get depth.

Also because both Bertuzzi and Domi signed for 1 year deals. Anything above that would have increased the dollars per year.

 

[tmlfan98]

Tbh so far Tre has just done what Dubas did last year and got his ROR and Acciari one year rentals in Domi and Bertuzzi. The core 4 remains in tact.

The core 4 needs to be changed. I will wait and see what he does for the rest of the summer. Seems decent so far.

Who gutted futures to get his "ROR and Acciari", and who signed his "ROR and Acciari" in FA without having to gut futures?

Also Tre will have his "ROR and Acciari" for the full season instead of just post TDL. More time to integrate new pieces with the team. Championship teams are not built at the trade deadline. That is where finishing touch moves are made.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Just because the Leafs have a lot of players competing for roster spots doesn't mean they have good depth.

Lets start by looking at the players who were on the roster for the playoffs that have left, and compare them to their replacements.

Out: O'Reilly, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR, Acciari, Holl, Schenn

In: Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves, Knies, Klingberg

O'Reilly - nobody replaced O'Reilly. That's a downgrade, and a pretty big one at that.

Bunting/Bertuzzi - Bunting wishes he was Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi stays healthy this should be an upgrade.

Kerfoot/Domi - Good riddance Alexander Kerfoot. Addition by subtraction.

ZAR & Acciari/Reaves - An upgrade on toughness and a downgrade on everything else.

Holl/Klingberg - This is a lot closer than a lot of Leafs fans care to admit.

Schenn - nobody replaced the one man wrecking crew on defense. Now the Leafs back end looks wimpier than ever.

They are counting on some combination of Robertson, Holmberg, Knies, and McMann to upgrade any of the players on the bottom six last year who left for greener pastures. Which leaves Reaves as the only actual NHL player replacing someone. Let's hope Treliving still picks up some better bottom six players.

Keep the real duds in the AHL where they belong.

If we go ahead and mortgage the future by adding 1/3 of a roster at next deadline, we would probably look a lot better.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

If we go ahead and mortgage the future by adding 1/3 of a roster at next deadline, we would probably look a lot better.

Just goes to show how much faith Dubas had in the roster he built to so dramatically change it last deadline.

They've already sold the future short, may as well keep hemorrhaging picks to bring in a ringer or two.

If they have any cap room to do so, that is.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Tbh so far Tre has just done what Dubas did last year and got his ROR and Acciari one year rentals in Domi and Bertuzzi. The core 4 remains in tact.

The core 4 needs to be changed. I will wait and see what he does for the rest of the summer. Seems decent so far.

1. Bertuzzi and Domi are better additions to our team than ROR and Acciari

2. Bertuzzi and Domi didn't cost any assets and we have them for at least one full season

 

[IPS]

Dubas' idea of depth always pissed me off. We're either bargain bin hunting with trash like Nick Ritchie and Jimmy Vesey and NEVER even considering trading expendable pieces like Kerfoot.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Muzzin on LTIR and Murray launched into the sun

They will still need to shed salary and still need a full team. I suspect Nylander and maybe Brodie to be moved. It should be Marner, but, Leafs like their P.R over Cups.

Thus, it's another season of trying to find babysitters and external DNA that is lacking from their highest paid players. No franchise coddles their athletes more than the Leafs.

More moves are coming, they have to. Don't expect this team to be better than the team they just iced a couple of months ago in the playoffs.

 

[GoonieFace]

Neither needs to be traded. Robertson still gives them an option.

Gio is our #6 if Timmins goes.

We have prospects coming in now who can play, this was largely missing before, but it is allowing us to get depth. Knies alone is likely going to push either Domi or Bertuzzi to the 3rd line and Jarnkrok might be able to push someone else down too.

Cheap capable depth and prospects are for sure helping the team with depth.

Every team in the league has a handful of guys they can plug into a lineup, it doesn’t mean we have a great group of young talent.

The Leafs are fortunate these guys are willing to take one year deals at a decent cap hit, otherwise the outlook would not be as rosy.

 

[rocketman588]

Treliving basically turned


Muzzin/Holl/kerfoot/Engvall

Into

Domi/Bertuzzi/Klinburg/reaves

Do I wish we maybe got Gostisbere instead, possibly but not a bad trade off. Especially with only 2 league min dudes/ELCs on the roster. Not to shabby

McCabe at 50% and knies were probably the best things Dubas left here but considering the horror show situation he walked into our top 9 is insane right now

Now Willy might be dealt and if he is we absolutely have to win that trade or get great pieces from it, but our roster is better this year at the moment then it was at game one last year.

I have a feeling Timmins is gone or waived as well I don't think his contract is worth what he brings

 

[CabanaBoy5]

More moves are obviously coming and depending on those changes, we'll see if the team starting the season will be better than the one that lost so meekly to the Panthers. Let's not over-rate what Schenn and ROR contributed to this team. I like the additions of Bertuzzi and Domi because they are closer to being in their prime than those two and add the elements of speed and tenacity that we were lacking. ROR looking like he was skating through slush wasn't nearly enough. I don't think Treliving is finished by a long shot.