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BruinDust said:
I haven't seen enough of Minten to know much about him on the ice other than he's considered a good two-way player.
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This is what I mean.

The cat who started this made a comparison he knew was going to be inflammatory. He saw two guys, two sets of numbers and went “yeah he’s basically the same thing as this other loser.”

It’s lazy. And it’s wildly inaccurate. And it’s typical ignorant pisspot opinion.

Now if he has said that he didn’t think Minten was fast enough, aggressive enough, doesn’t carry the puck enough. Isn’t remarkable enough in any discernible way and won’t drive a line. Probably won’t make it. I disagree, but I respect the difference of opinion. Hell, If you wanted to argue that he wouldn’t last on a fourth line and needs to play with offensive players in order to be effective - I’d agree.

But this other shit is agenda.
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
This is what I mean.

The cat who started this made a comparison he knew was going to be inflammatory. He saw two guys, two sets of numbers and went “yeah he’s basically the same thing as this other loser.”

It’s lazy. And it’s wildly inaccurate. And it’s typical ignorant pisspot opinion.

Now if he has said that he didn’t think Minten was fast enough, aggressive enough, doesn’t carry the puck enough. Isn’t remarkable enough in any discernible way and won’t drive a line. Probably won’t make it. I disagree, but I respect the difference of opinion. Hell, If you wanted to argue that he wouldn’t last on a fourth line and needs to play with offensive players in order to be effective - I’d agree.

But this other shit is agenda.
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Give me a break. As an avowed Sweeney fan, if anything I should want to defend this move. But I call 'em as I see 'em. And yes, I've seen enough of both Lazar and Minten to know that they are similar players in terms of their role and impact (leaving aside your desperate quibbling about exact style of play). For you to ignore all of the similarities which BruinDust and I noted suggests that it's YOU who has the agenda...namely one of homerism.
 
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DavidK said:
Give me a break. As an avowed Sweeney fan, if anything I should want to defend this move. But I call 'em as I see 'em. And yes, I've seen enough of both Lazar and Minten to know that they are similar players in terms of their role and impact (leaving aside your desperate quibbling about exact style of play). For you to ignore all of the similarities which BruinDust and I noted suggests that it's YOU who has the agenda...namely one of homerism.
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Whatever you say, cutie.

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Curtis Lazar was a 1st round pick(17th) by Ottawa in 2013.
“Lazar is a gritty and hard-working 200-foot player that also has some high-end offensive ability,” says Ross MacLean, head scout for International Scouting Services. “He’s a very good linear skater with good hands and a strong release on his shot, making him a very dangerous shooting option off the rush. He is intelligent around the net, has good vision and can set up in the perimeter effectively as well. Lazar is an all-situations capable player who has the skill to compete against top opposition and always seems to up his game when the stakes get higher. I would expect him to start putting up some significantly higher offensive numbers the remainder of his junior career.”

He never translated his 1st round pedigree to the NHL level and ended up as a bottom six swiss army knife with a shot.

So now we are comparing the career of an NHLer who never lived up to his billing to a prospect we just got in a trade(Widely considered by the Leafs own fans Toronto's #2 prospect and a possible Leaf next season) who has 19 NHL games experience.

Okay, lets do this:
Games Played: Goals: Assists: Points: +/-


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70

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9

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53

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62

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-23

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Player 1



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73

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14

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30

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44

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-2

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Player 2

Player 1: Wayne Gretzky(NYR 98-99) Player 2: Pavel Zacha(BOS 24-25)
MORE GOALS AND BETTER PLUS MINUS, CALL THE HALL
LETS GOOOOOOO!

My point being that numbers can be manipulated to prove nearly any point as long as people are not too picky about the actual relevance between the comparisons. Comparing a prospect with 19 NHL games to an NHLer with 568 games played seems unfair. This is apples to oranges. You want to compare the two? Do so with their prospect records and make pointed comparisons.
 
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AngryMilkcrates said:
Curtis Lazar was a 1st round pick(17th) by Ottawa in 2013.
“Lazar is a gritty and hard-working 200-foot player that also has some high-end offensive ability,” says Ross MacLean, head scout for International Scouting Services. “He’s a very good linear skater with good hands and a strong release on his shot, making him a very dangerous shooting option off the rush. He is intelligent around the net, has good vision and can set up in the perimeter effectively as well. Lazar is an all-situations capable player who has the skill to compete against top opposition and always seems to up his game when the stakes get higher. I would expect him to start putting up some significantly higher offensive numbers the remainder of his junior career.”

He never translated his 1st round pedigree to the NHL level and ended up as a bottom six swiss army knife with a shot.

So now we are comparing the career of an NHLer who never lived up to his billing to a prospect we just got in a trade(Widely considered by the Leafs own fans Toronto's #2 prospect and a possible Leaf next season) who has 19 NHL games experience.

Okay, lets do this:
Games Played: Goals: Assists: Points: +/-


[td width="60px"]
70

[/td][td width="60px"]
9

[/td][td width="60px"]
53

[/td][td width="60px"]
62

[/td][td width="60px"]
-23

[/td]​

Player 1



[td width="60px"]
73

[/td][td width="60px"]
14

[/td][td width="60px"]
30

[/td][td width="60px"]
44

[/td][td width="60px"]
-2

[/td]​

Player 2

Player 1: Wayne Gretzky(NYR 98-99) Player 2: Pavel Zacha(BOS 24-25)
MORE GOALS AND BETTER PLUS MINUS, CALL THE HALL
LETS GOOOOOOO!

My point being that numbers can be manipulated to prove nearly any point as long as people are not too picky about the actual relevance between the comparisons. Comparing a prospect with 19 NHL games to an NHLer with 568 games played seems unfair. This is apples to oranges. You want to compare the two? Do so with their prospect records and make pointed comparisons.
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Will always remember Lazar for his hamburger eating ability more than anything
 
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