Brad Marchand - HHOF?

[CDJ]

We can only hope. The very idea of rewarding this man (a term I use very loosely....RAT would be far more accurate) or giving him any kind of accolades makes me feel dirty.

Might want to start drawing that bath now, get a head start on it!

Dudes going in

you forgot to add he was a key part of the best regular season team of all-time!!!

such a bad loss, at least the fans didn’t burn the city down after it! That would have been low and classless!

 

[Midnight Judges]

This is the HOF criteria for a player:

Playing ability, sportsmanship, character and contributions to his or her team or teams and to the game of hockey in general.

Sportsmanship and character are a clear part of the criteria. Licking someone's face against their will the way Brad Marchand did would be considered sexual assault where I work. I don't know why the hockey community is not more firm on this. He has also gone out of his way to cause injury to other players after the whistle blows, as was the case with Marcus Johansson.

Marchand's ability and contributions to his team are good enough to get him in, but his atrocious character and lack of sportsmanship easily warrant keeping him out IMO.

And no, the PR campaign currently being waged to rebrand Marchand into a funny twitter personality doesn't make a dent in any of this.

If I'm a voter I'm not voting for him.

 

[Ivo]

For better it worse, Brad Marchand is one of the most well known players of his generation.

Breaking down his accomplishments so far:

1x Stanley Cup
1x World Cup Gold
1x 100 point season
5x 80+ point seasons
6x PPG seasons
5x 30 goal seasons
3x Top 10 finishes
2x First Team All Star
2x Second Team All Star
3x Stanley Cup Finals
2x WJC Gold
6x Team leader in points

He holds significant Bruins records:
- Most OT goals in history
- Most shorthanded goals in history
- Most playoff elimination goals in history

He has been a consistently high level playoff performer and, barring injuries, will finish with over 1000 points and 400 goals.

To me, this is a HHOF resume.

He has 4 top 10 finishes: 3, 5, 6, 6

 

[Fataldogg]

I think he falls just short. Doesn't have the individual accomplishments to get in. I wouldn't have a problem either way though. He was an elite player for a long time.

 

[MetalGoalie35]

Might want to start drawing that bath now, get a head start on it!

Dudes going in

Why CDJ, you sly dog. Encouraging me to draw a bath and we hardly even know each other. What a charmer!

This is the HOF criteria for a player:



Sportsmanship and character are a clear part of the criteria. Licking someone's face against their will the way Brad Marchand did would be considered sexual assault where I work. I don't know why the hockey community is not more firm on this. He has also gone out of his way to cause injury to other players after the whistle blows, as was the case with Marcus Johansson.

Marchand's ability and contributions to his team are good enough to get him in, but his atrocious character and lack of sportsmanship easily warrant keeping him out IMO.

And no, the PR campaign currently being waged to rebrand Marchand into a funny twitter personality doesn't make a dent in any of this.

If I'm a voter I'm not voting for him.

Midnight Judges for President! Woot Woot!!!

 

[Mortimer]

Pat Verbeek is one of 5 eligible players with 500+ goals who is NOT in the HHoF. Over 1,000 points too but his PPG wasn't great for his era. I'd say Marchand is a better player but you can make a comparison and Verbeek is out.

I was about to make the same comparison, as both are "pests" with decent numbers.

While it is clear that Marchand's peak is longer and superior to Verbeek's, one has to remember that the little ball of hate played with the 80s Devils and the 90s Whalers... Nowhere near the Bruins' teams Marchand played on.

 

[Three On Zero]

Not a 1st ballot player, but I think he still gets in

 

[LuckyPierre]

His career arc and production put him in line with Daniel Alfredsson as a comparable. Key part of the best line in hockey for years, and aged like fine wine. Assume he lands at 400+ goals and 1100+ points, add in his cup ring, and he’s HHOF bound.

 

[BostonBruins11]

es got 5-6 elite years only

Eight

 

[Toby91ca]

Eight

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Our definitions of elite are clearly different as I certainly don't count 8 elite years.

 

[PaulD]

For better it worse, Brad Marchand is one of the most well known players of his generation.

Breaking down his accomplishments so far:

1x Stanley Cup
1x World Cup Gold
1x 100 point season
5x 80+ point seasons
6x PPG seasons
5x 30 goal seasons
3x Top 10 finishes
2x First Team All Star
2x Second Team All Star
3x Stanley Cup Finals
2x WJC Gold
6x Team leader in points

He holds significant Bruins records:
- Most OT goals in history
- Most shorthanded goals in history
- Most playoff elimination goals in history

He has been a consistently high level playoff performer and, barring injuries, will finish with over 1000 points and 400 goals.

To me, this is a HHOF resume.

HHOF for sure

 

[Strangle]

For better it worse, Brad Marchand is one of the most well known players of his generation.

Breaking down his accomplishments so far:

1x Stanley Cup
1x World Cup Gold
1x 100 point season
5x 80+ point seasons
6x PPG seasons
5x 30 goal seasons
3x Top 10 finishes
2x First Team All Star
2x Second Team All Star
3x Stanley Cup Finals
2x WJC Gold
6x Team leader in points

He holds significant Bruins records:
- Most OT goals in history
- Most shorthanded goals in history
- Most playoff elimination goals in history

He has been a consistently high level playoff performer and, barring injuries, will finish with over 1000 points and 400 goals.

To me, this is a HHOF resume.

Brad Marchand in the HHOF would devalue everyone else’s accomplishments who are in there.

I’m sure there are many other questionable inclusions, but Marchand does not have the goals or points to be a hall of fame worthy player.

He is a very good player, but nothing exceptional at all

 

[BraveCanadian]

Brad Marchand in the HHOF would devalue everyone else’s accomplishments who are in there.

I’m sure there are many other questionable inclusions, but Marchand does not have the goals or points to be a hall of fame worthy player.

He is a very good player, but nothing exceptional at all

The number of wingers not in the hall of fame with 4 post-season allstar selections is... small.

I dislike some of his on-ice antics as much as the next guy, but Marchand is going in - easily - especially if he sticks around long enough to compile up to 1000 points.

 

[DuncanMacpherson]

I hate the Bruins but I still would say yes, he’s better than some players currently in the Hall.

 

[Strangle]

They should re-name it to "first team all-NHL and second team all-NHL" like the NBA does to avoid confusion. Every single time end-of-season all-star selections are brought up you have people confusing it for the meaningless honour of playing in the all-star game.

It’s true, I don’t fault anyone for mixing this stuff up.

All-star team selection and 1st or 2nd team all-star is just super unclear. The exact opposite of what language is supposed to be.

He has a HOF-worthy resume, but his "on-ice antics" shouldn't lead to the Hall. 50 years from now people will be looking at this crazy rat on the ice thinking "is this guy in the HOF? Really?".

Bobby Orr!
Wayne Gretzky!
Mario Lemieux!
Gordie Howe!
And
Brad Marchand?

 

[BigEezyE22]

For better it worse, Brad Marchand is one of the most well known players of his generation.

Breaking down his accomplishments so far:

1x Stanley Cup
1x World Cup Gold
1x 100 point season
5x 80+ point seasons
6x PPG seasons
5x 30 goal seasons
3x Top 10 finishes
2x First Team All Star
2x Second Team All Star
3x Stanley Cup Finals
2x WJC Gold
6x Team leader in points

He holds significant Bruins records:
- Most OT goals in history
- Most shorthanded goals in history
- Most playoff elimination goals in history

He has been a consistently high level playoff performer and, barring injuries, will finish with over 1000 points and 400 goals.

To me, this is a HHOF resume.

Looks like he belongs in the Bruins hall of Fame. That's about it.

 

[The Podium]

To me I’d say Theo Fleury and Mogilny are more deserving and not in, so I’d say no on Marchand

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Brad Marchand in the HHOF would devalue everyone else’s accomplishments who are in there.

I’m sure there are many other questionable inclusions, but Marchand does not have the goals or points to be a hall of fame worthy player.

He is a very good player, but nothing exceptional at all

His accomplishments are better than Hossa's

2x AS-1 vs 0x AS-1
2x AS-2 vs 1x AS-2
3,5,5,6 Point finishes vs 5, 6
5,5 Hart finishes vs 10, 10
.91 PPG/.88 playoff PPG vs .87 PPG/.73 playoff PPG
9,9,10 Selke vs 5,7,10 Selke

 

[jigglysquishy]

To me I’d say Theo Fleury and Mogilny are more deserving and not in, so I’d say no on Marchand

Strong chance Marchand ends up ahead of both in points despite playing in a lower scoring era.

I'm the last one to argue Fleury should be excluded from the HHOF though.

 

[BraveCanadian]

It’s true, I don’t fault anyone for mixing this stuff up.

All-star team selection and 1st or 2nd team all-star is just super unclear. The exact opposite of what language is supposed to be.



Bobby Orr!
Wayne Gretzky!
Mario Lemieux!
Gordie Howe!
And
Brad Marchand?

I don't think anyone has Brad Marchand 5th all time.

To me I’d say Theo Fleury and Mogilny are more deserving and not in, so I’d say no on Marchand

They should both be in too imo, on a talent/fame basis, but tbh neither has as good an NHL resume as Marchand at this point.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Lock

 

[Matty Sundin]

He reminds me of Pat Verbeek who has a cup, 1000pts and even 500 goals and he’s still waiting

 

[GRob83]

Eight

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So what we have here is a 1st line winger with Zero 40-Goal seasons? Sorry, I value goals over assists but since he's a top 500 player from Canada he'll get in.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

He reminds me of Pat Verbeek who has a cup, 1000pts and even 500 goals and he’s still waiting

Sure, except Verbeek has 0 AS-1, 0 AS-2, 0 Selke votes, 0 Hart finishes, 0 Top 10 points, 0 Top 10 goals, 0 Top 10 assists and was a playoff dud

 

[Matty Sundin]

Sure, except Verbeek has 0 AS-1, 0 AS-2, 0 Selke votes, 0 Hart finishes, 0 Top 10 points, 0 Top 10 goals, 0 Top 10 assists and was a playoff dud

Maybe yes. I just feel like if Marchand gonna make it, it’s gonna be a wait though.