Proposal: Bos - Van

[ProstheticConscience]

So Marchand would be hated but you guys were drooling over the possibility of Lucic coming to Vancouver... Hmm something's not right here

Yeah, I can totally see how you'd get that impression. If you can't read and lived in a cave with no tv/radio/internet access.

 

[gianni]

Check the date on those vids, 4 and 5 years old, there are a lot dirtier players in the game and after Benn, Marchand was the 2nd highest scoring Canadian albeit without powerplay time. That said no way I would trade him for Tanev.

It doesn't matter that it was 4-5 years ago, that dirty clipping hit on Sami Salo was intentional & caused him to be out w/ a concussion.
That's just not something I imagine Salo's former teammates (and the Canucks' fan base) being able to forgive for a long long time.

Also, Chris Tanev could fetch a younger, non-dirty player that produces just as much (if not more) than Brad Marchand.

 

[Nucker101]

Yeah, I'm sure Marchand would love to sign long-term here. So basically trading a young shutdown dman for a rental.

 

[Pia8988]

It doesn't matter that it was 4-5 years ago, that dirty clipping hit on Sami Salo was intentional & caused him to be out w/ a concussion.
That's just not something I imagine Salo's former teammates (and the Canucks' fan base) being able to forgive for a long long time.

Also, Chris Tanev could fetch a younger, non-dirty player that produces just as much (if not more) than Brad Marchand.

6th in goals last year while shooting his career avg shooting %. I totally believe Tanev will get someone that produces more than that.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

no from Vancouver thank you very much.

 

[jw2]

Value is decent but not the right return either team is looking for.

 

[K2MyEverest]

Marchand value is higher than Tanev. No way I would trade Marchand for Tanev. But considering Boston's need for defense... it could happen just like Hall - Larsson happened. Hall's value was higher than Larsson but Edmonton needed Larsson a lot more than they needed Hall.

But... Edmonton's defense prospect pool is thin compared to Boston who have a lot of good prospect on defense. So If I was Boston, I would try to acquire another top 4 D for sure or just be patient and develop the kids... but no way I would trade Marchand for Tanev.

 

[Tryamkin]

So Marchand would be hated but you guys were drooling over the possibility of Lucic coming to Vancouver... Hmm something's not right here

No one in Vancouver wanted Lucic here, and Lucic didn't attack the Sedins for a whole series and have the whole fanbase against him.

 

[Zaddy91]

honestly.

tanev is the last person van should trade.
marchand is the last person who we need.
1 yr on deal.

Basically the most hated bruin by far from the cup run for trying to punch daniel.

burn in fire. (the proposal)

 

[Absurdity]

Sweeney thinks Marchand is a core member of the team, and Marchand has also expressed interest in signing an extension to the point where he and the Bruins are currently working on one. I don't think Marchand is going to get traded. Canucks fans, I too would hate Marchand if he wasn't on my team.

 

[PG Canuck]

Literally makes no sense for the Canucks. Tanev is the glue to our defense yet Marchand is the saviour for our team.

Makes sense.

 

[nmbr_24]

No one in Vancouver wanted Lucic here, and Lucic didn't attack the Sedins for a whole series and have the whole fanbase against him.

Marchand didn't attack the Sedins for the entire series, he started doing that after the play of the Canucks was so dirty that they started responding to it. I am pretty sure that the Canucks fanbase would absolutely love Marchand, after all, they liked Burrows.

 

[BruinLVGA]

It doesn't matter that it was 4-5 years ago, that dirty clipping hit on Sami Salo was intentional & caused him to be out w/ a concussion.
That's just not something I imagine Salo's former teammates (and the Canucks' fan base) being able to forgive for a long long time.

Also, Chris Tanev could fetch a younger, non-dirty player that produces just as much (if not more) than Brad Marchand.

If you are speaking goals, then you are saying Tanev by himself is worth either Kane, Benn or Tarasenko. Oh no, it's the same "Kassian is worth the moon" syndrome again, aka acute & chronic homerism. It must be a recurring infection in Vancouver.

FYI, Marchand scored 37 goals while having a shooting percentage slightly BELOW his career average...

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[Oates2Neely]

Are fans really suggesting Tanev's value is in the same stratosphere as Marchands???

 

[PetterssonSimp]

When Marchand become a 70 point scorer? Because right now the value around the league for defenders that are less than Tanev have become 70 point scorers. So come back when you've decided To actually make a good proposal.

 

[gianni]

6th in goals last year while shooting his career avg shooting %. I totally believe Tanev will get someone that produces more than that.

If you are speaking goals, then you are saying Tanev by himself is worth either Kane, Benn or Tarasenko. Oh no, it's the same "Kassian is worth the moon" syndrome again, aka acute & chronic homerism. It must be a recurring infection in Vancouver.

FYI, Marchand scored 37 goals while having a shooting percentage slightly BELOW his career average...

I obviously meant skill level/points.

Just b/c Marchand was 6th in goal scoring, doesn't mean he's anywhere close to being in the Kane, Benn or Tarasenko talent level; so who ever made that initial argument is silly. Marchand's a very good player (much like Alex Burrows in his prime), but like Burrows, Marchand is a "passenger" on a line that needs very good linemates to be the "driver" for him to succeed. He's probably in the top-45 to 70 range in terms of forwards, whereas Chris Tanev is around the top-40 to 50 d-men. Anyone that thinks the value is off for Boston is out to lunch. Top-pairing d-men are the hardest players to acquire, and a premium is usually paid to get them.

Anyway, this is not a trade I ever see happening for a variety of reasons on both sides.

 

[CascadiaPuck]

Are fans really suggesting Tanev's value is in the same stratosphere as Marchands???

I cannot stand Marchand. Might be the only guy I could never get used to in a Canucks uniform and would diminish my interest in this team (though I suspect Lucic too).

That said, he's definitely performed very well, particularly of late. In a vacuum, I'd understand why someone would argue he's a better player than Tanev.

But two things (which others have noted as well):
1) Look at recent deals involving defencemen and what the returns were. D-men are going at a premium right now.
2) Look at contract status differences between the two players. Marchand is effectively a rental who will command a big pay day. Tanev has more years left on a good-value deal.

So, yes, their values are not miles apart.

Edit: I don't think either side likes this deal.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I obviously meant skill level/points.

Just b/c Marchand was 6th in goal scoring, doesn't mean he's anywhere close to being in the Kane, Benn or Tarasenko talent level; so who ever made that initial argument is silly. Marchand's a very good player (much like Alex Burrows in his prime), but like Burrows, Marchand is a "passenger" on a line that needs very good linemates to be the "driver" for him to succeed. He's probably in the top-45 to 70 range in terms of forwards, whereas Chris Tanev is around the top-40 to 50 d-men. Anyone that thinks the value is off for Boston is out to lunch. Top-pairing d-men are the hardest players to acquire, and a premium is usually paid to get them.

Anyway, this is not a trade I ever see happening for a variety of reasons on both sides.

Utter garbage. Marchand and Bergeron both drive the line. In some ways, Marchand drives the line with speed, skill, and energy. Bergeron provides a steadiness in all zones.

They've carried passengers like Caron, Smith, and Connelly. Marchand and Bergeron are definitely not passengers.

Marchand is easily a top level two way winger in the NHL and easily worth more than #2-3, 20 point Tanev.

Based on this thread you'd think Vancouver is full of non-diving, non-cheap artists themselves? They did plenty in that series as well.

 

[Oates2Neely]

When Marchand become a 70 point scorer? Because right now the value around the league for defenders that are less than Tanev have become 70 point scorers. So come back when you've decided To actually make a good proposal.

Could you provide some examples to support your statement?

 

[nuckfan insk]

Are fans really suggesting Tanev's value is in the same stratosphere as Marchands???

Hall is equal to or > then Marchand
Tanev is > larsson

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Hall is equal to or > then Marchand
Tanev is > larsson

Larsson has the potential of a #1....

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Larsson has the potential of a #1....

Whenever that comes to fruition is it does, I'll accept his worth more than Chris Tanev. But as it stands Tanev's is above him.

 

[Grazzy]

Are fans really suggesting Tanev's value is in the same stratosphere as Marchands???

No, only Bruins fans. Marchand had a career year last year (the exception not the rule) and is not worth close to Tanev.

 

[nmbr_24]

No, only Bruins fans. Marchand had a career year last year (the exception not the rule) and is not worth close to Tanev.

It's pretty funny that his shooting percentage was less last year than in the past. That definitely doesn't look like something that happens in a career year.

 

[nmbr_24]

Utter garbage. Marchand and Bergeron both drive the line. In some ways, Marchand drives the line with speed, skill, and energy. Bergeron provides a steadiness in all zones.

They've carried passengers like Caron, Smith, and Connelly. Marchand and Bergeron are definitely not passengers.

Marchand is easily a top level two way winger in the NHL and easily worth more than #2-3, 20 point Tanev.

Based on this thread you'd think Vancouver is full of non-diving, non-cheap artists themselves? They did plenty in that series as well.

I agree, Marchand has "driven" any line he has ever played on.

I can understand not wanting to trade a fine young D for a player with 1 year left on his deal, that makes total sense to me, but all the negative comments about Marchand on this thread are utter garbage.