Proposal: Bos-ana-win

[Hunter368]

Remember what happened when Hamilton refused to sign with the Bruins? Similar player values, similar situations. I'd rather had Fowler + 2nd and not what we got from CGY.

The truth is that WPG deal from the position of weakness here and I can't remember a single fair value deal made under such circumstances.

Not the same, Bruins were over a barrel with the threat of a offer sheet, so they settled on a deal that gave them slightly more then a offer sheet. Bruins weren't in control


Jets are in total control, we have zero threat of a offer sheet.

 

[lomiller1]

Did Trouba help his team make the playoffs

This isn’t 1960, where teams give up premium picks/prospects just to get someone who played on a good team.

leading his team in average time on ice per game while playing with 3rd pair quality defense partner and having less offensive zone starts while facing opposing teams scorers? Did Trouba outproduce Fowler despite Fowler missing many games because of injury?

Min, zone start and QoC differences are marginal at best. Trouba’s D partner was much worse than Folwers, so were Trouba’s Forwards. In spite of this Trouba produced similarly P/60 and was significantly better in CF/60, CA/60, xGF% and Rel GF%

Stuart without Trouba CF= 44.3%
Bieksa without Folwerl CF=52.4%
It isn’t just their D partner though.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1347&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1799&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5

 

[MikeRahl]

Remember what happened when Hamilton refused to sign with the Bruins? Similar player values, similar situations. I'd rather had Fowler + 2nd and not what we got from CGY.

The truth is that WPG deal from the position of weakness here and I can't remember a single fair value deal made under such circumstances.

Remember when the Jets players essentially kicked Kane off the team and management sent him home, and he was injured for the season?

Chevy packaged him with Bogo and got Myers, Stafford, Armia and the pick that became Roslovic.

That worked out alright for the Jets I guess.

 

[PsychoDad]

Remember when the Jets players essentially kicked Kane off the team and management sent him home, and he was injured for the season?

Chevy packaged him with Bogo and got Myers, Stafford, Armia and the pick that became Roslovic.

That worked out alright for the Jets I guess.

Let me tell you one thing - should Trouba not sign and get traded you will not be happy with the return with the expectations of yours. Don't become the laughing stock of hfboards like Edmonton fans once by overvaluing your players and your franchise situation.

 

[wintersej]

Remember when the Jets players essentially kicked Kane off the team and management sent him home, and he was injured for the season?

Chevy packaged him with Bogo and got Myers, Stafford, Armia and the pick that became Roslovic.

That worked out alright for the Jets I guess.

I would think both teams would be disappointed with how that turned out.

 

[Snowman]

Let me tell you one thing - should Trouba not sign and get traded you will not be happy with the return with the expectations of yours. Don't become the laughing stock of hfboards like Edmonton fans once by overvaluing your players and your franchise situation.

Don't worry about it. Chevy will get the value he wants and won't trade Trouba until he does. So, we have no need to worry about the circumstances you're proposing.

 

[Say What]

Remember when the Jets players essentially kicked Kane off the team and management sent him home, and he was injured for the season?

Chevy packaged him with Bogo and got Myers, Stafford, Armia and the pick that became Roslovic.

That worked out alright for the Jets I guess.

I would think both teams would be disappointed with how that turned out.

IMO, TNSE are extremely happy with how that trade worked out.

Also, Brendan Lemieux was a vital part of that deal being consummated.

 

[MikeRahl]

Let me tell you one thing - should Trouba not sign and get traded you will not be happy with the return with the expectations of yours. Don't become the laughing stock of hfboards like Edmonton fans once by overvaluing your players and your franchise situation.

Chevy has a track record of getting value where people think there are none. A first and Dano for 26 games of Ladd is a good example as well.

Even the Dougie Hamilton trade you mentioned... that was essentially an offer sheet anyways so I'm not sure that counts (he would have got a 1st, 2nd, 3rd but they sent a 1st and 2 seconds).

 

[Ducks in a row]

This isn’t 1960, where teams give up premium picks/prospects just to get someone who played on a good team.



Min, zone start and QoC differences are marginal at best. Trouba’s D partner was much worse than Folwers, so were Trouba’s Forwards. In spite of this Trouba produced similarly P/60 and was significantly better in CF/60, CA/60, xGF% and Rel GF%

Stuart without Trouba CF= 44.3%
Bieksa without Folwerl CF=52.4%
It isn’t just their D partner though.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1347&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1799&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5

Trouba was 3rd in average time on ice for the Jets while Fowler was 1st for the Ducks. That is a important thing. If Fowler is as bad as some people make him out to be no way would we of done what we had done with him leading our blueline in average time on ice especially considering his defense partner.

I don't care about points per 60 min but actual production. Trouba has yet to have a season outproducing Fowler.

Regardless Trouba isn't >> Fowler like some people are trying to say.

 

[Hunter368]

I would think both teams would be disappointed with how that turned out.

What????


Jets are still doing back flips, we made out very well on that deal. Borderline robbery tbh

Myers - Bogo saw off (without going into any private Bogo issues).

Kane? Sabers couldn't give this guy away at this point, his value has fallen dramatically due to his off ice issues/attitude.

Love that trade as a Jets, keeps getting better.

 

[wintersej]

What????


Jets are still doing back flips, we made out very well on that deal. Borderline robbery tbh

Myers - Bogo saw off (without going into any private Bogo issues).

Kane? Sabres couldn't give this guy away at this point, his value has fallen dramatically due to his off ice issues/attitude.

Love that trade as a Jets, keeps getting better.

The Kane that is now vs the Kane of then is the issue here. Of course the Jets are happy not to have the current version of Kane. But, overpriced JAG Stafford and a couple prospects is a disappointing return for what people thought Kane was, is it not?

 

[Hunter368]

The Kane that is now vs the Kane of then is the issue here. Of course the Jets are happy not to have the current version of Kane. But, overpriced JAG Stafford and a couple prospects is a disappointing return for what people thought Kane was, is it not?

Kane/bogo for Stafford, Myers, 1st Rd pick (Roslavic), Brendan L and Armia?

I do that trade everyday. It was viewed widely here and there media as a clear jets win then.....and still is

 

[MikeRahl]

The Kane that is now vs the Kane of then is the issue here. Of course the Jets are happy not to have the current version of Kane. But, overpriced JAG Stafford and a couple prospects is a disappointing return for what people thought Kane was, is it not?

The Jets cashed in on the best attribute Kane had, which was youth. A mercurial 20 goal scorer who isn't a great locker room wasn't much of a loss.

Stafford has given the Jets similar production to Kane, at a cheaper cost!

 

[CHaracter79]

The reason anaheim isnt gettign a win now piece is because theyre up against the cap especially with rak and lind to be signed.

add whatever pick going from boston as they are really getting a win here


say.


To Ana

Debrusk, Boston 2nd 2016

To Bos

Trouba

To Win

Fowler, conditional pick from boston 2017 ( if trouba gets 50pts in first two years boston gives up 1st round in 2017)

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The reason anaheim isnt gettign a win now piece is because theyre up against the cap especially with rak and lind to be signed.

add whatever pick going from boston as they are really getting a win here


say.


To Ana

Debrusk, Boston 2nd 2016

To Bos

Trouba

To Win

Fowler, conditional pick from boston 2017 ( if trouba gets 50pts in first two years boston gives up 1st round in 2017)

Bottom line a deal around Debrusk who as of now hasn't played a single NHL game isn't going to get you Fowler. If Boston is looking at Fowler to flip to Winnipeg for Trouba then Spooner is going to Anaheim that's just being realistic here. Bob Murray isn't dealing Fowler for Debrusk who's not going to help him now where adding Spooner's cheap ELC contract would.

 

[JimEIV]

As an outside fan from the East with no bias or horse in this race , I'd take Trouba every day of the week over Fowler.

 

[HockeyHead21]

Bottom line a deal around Debrusk who as of now hasn't played a single NHL game isn't going to get you Fowler. If Boston is looking at Fowler to flip to Winnipeg for Trouba then Spooner is going to Anaheim that's just being realistic here. Bob Murray isn't dealing Fowler for Debrusk who's not going to help him now where adding Spooner's cheap ELC contract would.

Totally agree with you buddy.

 

[wintersej]

Bottom line a deal around Debrusk who as of now hasn't played a single NHL game isn't going to get you Fowler. If Boston is looking at Fowler to flip to Winnipeg for Trouba then Spooner is going to Anaheim that's just being realistic here. Bob Murray isn't dealing Fowler for Debrusk who's not going to help him now where adding Spooner's cheap ELC contract would.

Unless Trouba is coming to Boston in another deal, Boston ain't dealing Spooner to Anaheim. Or the deal would be done already. A guy like DeBrusk and a pick is probably exactly what he is getting.

 

[wintersej]

The reason anaheim isnt gettign a win now piece is because theyre up against the cap especially with rak and lind to be signed.

add whatever pick going from boston as they are really getting a win here


say.


To Ana

Debrusk, Boston 2nd 2016

To Bos

Trouba

To Win

Fowler, conditional pick from boston 2017 ( if trouba gets 50pts in first two years boston gives up 1st round in 2017)

Boston can't afford getting Trouba without moving out Spooner or Pasta as both will demand significant raises next year.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Unless Trouba is coming to Boston in another deal, Boston ain't dealing Spooner to Anaheim. Or the deal would be done already. A guy like DeBrusk and a pick is probably exactly what he is getting.

Bingo.

For better or worse, Fowler isn't getting moved for Spooner.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Unless Trouba is coming to Boston in another deal, Boston ain't dealing Spooner to Anaheim. Or the deal would be done already. A guy like DeBrusk and a pick is probably exactly what he is getting.

Not unless it's something like this.

Anaheim Ducks- Ryan Spooner+Bostons 2017 2nd round pick
Boston Bruins- Cam Fowler

Winnipeg Jets- Cam Fowler+Prosepct/Pick
Boston Bruins- Jacob Trouba.

Something like a deal based around what i proposed or Krug would need to go the other way for Trouba. Only way i see it getting done here.

 

[CHaracter79]

IS spooner realyl rated that high? i mean i havent seen him enough but he got 50 points last year yes but 17 of them were on the PP.. would he be as valuable to another team that would or couldnt offer him that kind of PP time?

 

[wintersej]

Not unless it's something like this.

Anaheim Ducks- Ryan Spooner+Bostons 2017 2nd round pick
Boston Bruins- Cam Fowler

Winnipeg Jets- Cam Fowler+Prosepct/Pick
Boston Bruins- Jacob Trouba.

Something like a deal based around what i proposed or Krug would need to go the other way for Trouba. Only way i see it getting done here.

Oh totally agree. Just don't see the Bruins going after Fowler at the cost of Spooner unless they are going after Trouba with Fowler. If the Bruins need Fowler to get Trouba, the pressure is on them to make a deal If the Bruins don't, there is more pressure on the Ducks to make a deal.

 

[wintersej]

IS spooner realyl rated that high? i mean i havent seen him enough but he got 50 points last year yes but 17 of them were on the PP.. would he be as valuable to another team that would or couldnt offer him that kind of PP time?

So 1st, that points ratio is totally normal.

2nd, he scored those 50 points getting 15 minutes a game with Beleksey and Hayes as his primary wingers. He has been playing with Krejci and Backes this preseason and it wouldn't shock me for a second if he led the team in scoring. Spooner was one of the top 10 primary assist guys in hockey and is going to benefit a lot from playing with other skilled players.

 

[Ducks in a row]

The reason anaheim isnt gettign a win now piece is because theyre up against the cap especially with rak and lind to be signed.

add whatever pick going from boston as they are really getting a win here


say.


To Ana

Debrusk, Boston 2nd 2016

To Bos

Trouba

To Win

Fowler, conditional pick from boston 2017 ( if trouba gets 50pts in first two years boston gives up 1st round in 2017)

Ducks are not trading Fowler for a prospect with no NHL experience and a 2nd round pick.

Unless Trouba is coming to Boston in another deal, Boston ain't dealing Spooner to Anaheim. Or the deal would be done already. A guy like DeBrusk and a pick is probably exactly what he is getting.

Could be a lot of reasons why a deal hasn't been done yet. Maybe we are not trading Fowler until we know what happens with Lindholm and Rakell. That is a possibility just as Boston doesn't want to trade Spooner for Fowler. We don't really know we can only guess.

Kesler was traded for Bonino,Sbisa (who Canucks wanted) and a 1st round pick with only 1 team that he could of been traded to. Just because a team isn't in that great of a situation doesn't mean they will get something so poor.