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Win-Win trades are my favourite - especially with teams I like, like Anaheim. The kid and pick are one thing, we'll see, but I honestly believe that Backes will help your team next year.
Confirmed Trade: [BOS/ANA] Ondrej Kase for David Backes (25% retained), Axel Andersson, and 2020 1st round pick
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Win-Win trades are my favourite - especially with teams I like, like Anaheim. The kid and pick are one thing, we'll see, but I honestly believe that Backes will help your team next year.
Nothing quite as lame as these scripted responses. There are not worth printing even on the internet.
Trap Jesus
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It's tough for a contract to get much worse. He was a massively disappointing player his first 2 years (I'd call him a bad middle 6 guy even if his point production looked passable), not NHL caliber the next 2, and then has one year left after this. A $6 million contract for a player like that can sewer a team.
This thread makes my brain hurt. No pun intended.
The Ducks will pay Backes $3M next season, his cap hit is irrelevant. He’s a non factor in this trade from the Ducks perspective.
The Ducks traded Kase for a late 1st round pick and a prospect. And did the Bruins a solid by taking back a large cap hit.
I love Kase, but I’m worried he won’t last much longer in the NHL. He’s coming back from another concussion - at some point his brain won’t hold up if he keeps getting concussed.
Kase is an energizer bunny, he’s creative, and he’s great at controlling the puck. He’s also young and on a good contract.
Kase is the type of player I’d trade a 1st round pick and a prospect for if he was healthy, but his history of concussions is too big of a gamble.
Fingers crossed he can stay in the lineup, not for the sake of the Bruins, but for the sake of his future off the ice.
The Ducks will pay Backes $3M next season, his cap hit is irrelevant. He’s a non factor in this trade from the Ducks perspective.
The Ducks traded Kase for a late 1st round pick and a prospect. And did the Bruins a solid by taking back a large cap hit.
I love Kase, but I’m worried he won’t last much longer in the NHL. He’s coming back from another concussion - at some point his brain won’t hold up if he keeps getting concussed.
Kase is an energizer bunny, he’s creative, and he’s great at controlling the puck. He’s also young and on a good contract.
Kase is the type of player I’d trade a 1st round pick and a prospect for if he was healthy, but his history of concussions is too big of a gamble.
Fingers crossed he can stay in the lineup, not for the sake of the Bruins, but for the sake of his future off the ice.
Fine, you may well be right. I just think that "mutual respect" goes both ways.
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Backes only has 1 year left
Not sure who Andersson is but Anaheim better hope he's good to replace Kase
Not sure who Andersson is but Anaheim better hope he's good to replace Kase
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He is, in my opinion, the best defenseman in the Q this season. Skates well, passes well, and defends well.
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Bruins already have a weak farm due their NHL success. Yet, they didn’t send a Top 10 player and free cap space to extend their young players? They also got a good player.
I’m not a Bruins fan, but admit this was a brilliant deal.
How many concussions has Kase had?
2015 (ahl)
2017
2018
2020
Am I missing any? Looking at an old thread on reddit they said he had 4 in like 2017 or 2018 already.
2015 (ahl)
2017
2018
2020
Am I missing any? Looking at an old thread on reddit they said he had 4 in like 2017 or 2018 already.
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Kase is a good player who will fit Boston's system well. His sh% is super low but he's still generating his relatively normal underlying numbers.
We're building for 3 years from now so it makes sense to trade him. Backes is irrelevant the deal is basically a 1st and a prospect which is fine
We're building for 3 years from now so it makes sense to trade him. Backes is irrelevant the deal is basically a 1st and a prospect which is fine
The trade makes sense for both teams. There is no shame in having a win-win deal.
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Bruins needed to free cap space and they dumped their biggest problem for a bottom 1st + C Level prospect. They also got a good player for the next 1.5 years RFA they can easily release due to injuries.
This was a substantial win for the Bruins and can’t believe other teams weren’t involved that could have beaten this deal.
It was terrible for us, I agree. But for a team like Anaheim in this trade, they basically bought a 1st round pick for less than 3 million dollars and a potentially good, but potentially damaged, young player.
Well, you're sort of ignoring the Ducks side of things. Kase was constantly injured and has had multiple concussions. Boston is willing to roll the dice on his health and the Ducks weren't. The Backes contract is no issue for the Ducks. So basically they traded a player they didn't trust anymore for a player they can easily afford, a late 1st, and a prospect that is certainly a bit better than you are portraying him. Getting a 20 year old RHD is good for the Ducks since they have literally no depth at right defense. Someone above, in fact, thought he's been the best D in the Q this year.
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Oh yeah, for them it's fine when they aren't contending. There was some hope for them going into this year for a decent season, but after seeing how their team performed there's no issue just taking an extra $1.9 million onto the cap (Backes minus Kase's salary) for a 1st and a prospect, especially considering they're only paying an extra $400k to do so next year (Backes is only owed $4 million, so the Ducks just have to pay him $3 million).
Ducks could opt to buy out backes.
since Boston is covering 25%, the ducks would pay $750k in signing bonus plus 2/3 of $2.25 mill in salary. But they would then have to take the $2 mill of salary over cap hit that Backes has been paid. So rather than have him on the roster for $4.5 mill cap wise a buyout would mean around a $3.5 mill dead cap him so replacing him with a roster spot would equal the same $4.5 mill cap hit if the opted for someone young. Then they have a $715 dead cap the following year.
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The point of this trade was to add more.
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To Wally’s point, when Backes was “sent” to Providence the Bruins room, including its leaders, were very vocal about how strongly the felt about Backes as a teammate and friend. Business is business, but there is little doubt that Bruins players had a vested interest with Backes being treated respectfully as a vet that, while bitterly disappointed to not dress in SCF G7, said he’d waive the Pom poms and do whatever else he could to root his teammates on.
Backes and Sweeney handled a difficult situation with class. That, and leaders like Chara and Bergeron, is very likely why Boston players don’t tend to try and milk every penny out of every deal.
I don’t for a second think Boston presented Backes with any ultimatums. I suspect quite the opposite.
Good luck DB42. You’re a class act and a warrior. Young players in Anaheim just got a massive benefit in obtaining a veteran presence in the room who has and will continue to mentor young players to be best they can.
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Ducks could easily gotten more.
They inherited a massive cap dump in return for a bottom 1st + low level prospect. A trade for simply a 2nd would have better deal which most teams would have easily offered.
ANA is projected to have nearly $10M next season, $3.5M is wasted on Backes considered among the most untradeable players with a NMC.
