Smart move by the Ducks, getting a first for a guy who could potentially be done sooner than later.
Confirmed Trade: [BOS/ANA] Ondrej Kase for David Backes (25% retained), Axel Andersson, and 2020 1st round pick
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Backes and Marleau deals are not that easy to compare. Sweeney is not that cap squeezed for Krug et al signings.... arguably needs only $2-2.5 mil of Backes $6 mil? to get his preferred team signings (heck could be less), and he also quite a few expiring UFA options to consider. Dubas was one of the most cap-squeezed GMs in the history of the cap to sign his elite RFAs, and needed all of Marleau's $6.25 in order to have a chance to even complete his negotiations.
If Krug needs most of Backes' cap savings e.g $5.25 + raise of $4.5 mil (Back's savings) = $9.75 in order to be signed, or close to it, then it's apples and apples. Otherwise, the situations are fairly different.... Dubas' balls were in a vise, and every GM clearly saw it, whereas Sweeney had plenty of options to explore, no body parts in jeopardy.
That being said...a bit surprised that this is what Anaheim chose to do with Kase as an asset, but as the Backes cap hit to them is practically irrelevant, as it might have been to other teams in similar cap situations waiting to swing their own deals, getting the Bruin's decent offer of a 1st and a 2nd round pick out of IR Kase...plus the fact of Backes playing himself...not so shabby.
Both Kase brother on the east coast now, hope they get a chance to play each other.
I stand corrected.
Reports here were not until Monday.
Maybe wife and kids headed back asap.
Wildcarder
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So mad the Sabres weren't being more aggressive on this.
The difference between the Sabres potential 2020 2nd round pick (36th-40th) and the Bruins potential 2020 1st round pick (24th-31st) is not all that significant at the end of the day.
The Sabres could've easily offered the 2020 2nd, not need ANA to take a horrible cap dump like Backes which is a ton of value in itself, and offered a better prospect than Axel (Samuelsson?), but they didn't.
Botterill says the trades for a forward are not out there.... clearly they are. Boston got a hell of a deal unloading the Backes contract and acquiring Kase in the same trade, at the expense of a late first and a mid prospect. What are the Sabres doing??
The difference between the Sabres potential 2020 2nd round pick (36th-40th) and the Bruins potential 2020 1st round pick (24th-31st) is not all that significant at the end of the day.
The Sabres could've easily offered the 2020 2nd, not need ANA to take a horrible cap dump like Backes which is a ton of value in itself, and offered a better prospect than Axel (Samuelsson?), but they didn't.
Botterill says the trades for a forward are not out there.... clearly they are. Boston got a hell of a deal unloading the Backes contract and acquiring Kase in the same trade, at the expense of a late first and a mid prospect. What are the Sabres doing??
dracom
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A pick difference between 5 and 10 is pretty significant. Backes is a cap dump but he can still play on our roster and will be a good mentor for the kids. Plus Bob and the scouting staff have been interested in Andersson for years now. I dont think your 2nd and Samuelsson offer is what they would want.
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BOS easily won this trade. They don’t have the strongest farm, but sent their 11th best prospect, late 1st and 25% retention on Backes?
ANA was rumoured to to offer Kase 1 for 1 Faulk and instead getting this weak package.
Congrats to the Bruins! They got stronger and improved their Cap.
ANA was rumoured to to offer Kase 1 for 1 Faulk and instead getting this weak package.
Congrats to the Bruins! They got stronger and improved their Cap.
It’s always nice to see a vet player who has been chalked off to get another opportunity. Have always liked Backes, all the way back when he was also with the Blues. I hope Kase can stay healthy for you guys, he has the potential to be a serious threat, and on a better offensive team can see him really shine. It’s also nice to see Kase get a shot at a cup.
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Man, what an atrocious trade. I’m all for gaining picks for bad contracts but taking on Backes is basically worth the late first rounder on his own. They’ve just given Kase away for free.
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Yeah I mean, I am not a huge Heinen fan as I think we have seen his ceiling - but he is a coaches player, meaning he is mr versatility with some offense. It would be great if we could part ways with him to bring something else in, however without the 1st now it could be hard to do.
Vaaks and Beecher I would like to see another year out of them to understand what we have - Gryz has grown on me a lot and it looks like Lauzon is finally here to stay - so I guess of them can be moved as well. I am just not sure what a package would look like to add a key piece to the roster.
All true, but obviously he was going to "waive" (if he hadn't implicitly done so already - NHL/LA vs. ahl/prov. Hmmmm?)
not really.
He never reported to Providence and the team flat out said he didnt have to. He could just sit back and collect his check. Mutual agreement because of mutual respect.
Rare in this day and age.
So what it ultimately ended up being was he deciding on a destination based on variety of factors.
Guaranteed opportunity to play at NHL level being one of them.
AveryStar4Eva
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Jeez nice move here by Boston. Figured it would take a 1st just to dump Backes so to get a good player back is a huge bonus.
Do the Bruins play Toronto in the regular season in April?
Yes, I know that, but that was because they were going to try to move him. I'm just saying that part of the "condition" of him not going to prov must have been that he go to any NHL team. In any case, he wasn't going to say "no" to Anaheim. It's not that much of a "solid".
Ok, you tell me: Boston works out a trade with Anaheim. In LA. In the NHL. Backes says "no" (refuses to waive). You don't think Donny would have been entitled to say wtf? Seriously? F you then, go to prov?
I think the exciting part is the Bruins turned a can't win situation into a win-win situation.
Both teams did well.
As a Ducks fan I like this trade. Kase is okay but he isn't game changer by all means. With Backes they get a locker room guy to teach the kids which is something Ducks are missing. Ducks are in no hurry. After the Backes and Perry's deals they are hopefully ready to contend.
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Something tells me Chicago would see identical contracts on both Saad and Backes as a bit of an imbalance. This was a cap dump turned into a player with upside (with injury risks) that fills a need. There's no way they're dumping Backes in a deal and getting Saad back. Bruins still have the space to add another winger, they just don't have their 1st this year anymore (which is a big thing of course). They can still certainly do some damage with:
Heinen/Bjork
Vaakanainen/Beecher
1st 2021
2nd 2020
3rd 2020
2nd 2021
There's enough value there to add another good winger.
