Recalled/Assigned: Boo Nieves to NYR

[McRanger]

One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
You only see 4C
I see a 4C who ALSO proved with the right offensive piece(s) can be productive on a higher line.
Why won't you concede to that fact?
Also, I postulated give Nieves adequate practice shifts w/Kreider so they get used to each other.
That has not yet happened and that is a HUGE factor.

Hopefully Hayes, Zib and Namest are all moved for badly needed profit, that will create mins for others, and we shall see.

We likely won't have this discussion in a year regardless, cause likely, Kravtsov = our new 1C once here.

this disagreement notwithstanding, I am a fan
thanks for and keep up the quality posts
peace out

Its too bad Daniel Goneau is in his 40's, he would be the perfect winger for Boo. They both proved they could handle being 1st liners for like 5 minutes.

 

[Edge]

One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
You only see 4C
I see a 4C who ALSO proved with the right offensive piece(s) can be productive on a higher line.
Why won't you concede to that fact?
Also, I postulated give Nieves adequate practice shifts w/Kreider so they get used to each other.
That has not yet happened and that is a HUGE factor.

Hopefully Hayes, Zib and Namest are all moved for badly needed profit, that will create mins for others, and we shall see.

We likely won't have this discussion in a year regardless, cause likely, Kravtsov = our new 1C once here.

this disagreement notwithstanding, I am a fan
thanks for and keep up the quality posts
peace out

I don't know if there's anything to concede.

Nothing he's done at any level to this point resembles a player playing on a higher line.

Can you at least show me a comparable top 6 player who's produced like Nieves at the collegiate and AHL levels?

I mean he wasn't even used as top 6 option at those levels consistently, so how/why would he suddenly find himself in that role at the NHL level?

So both from a usage, and a production standpoint, how are we envisioning this happening ---- on the cusp of turning 25 no less?

If Nieves managed to do that, he'd be in incredibly rarefied air. And there's nothing, even now, to indicate we are reaching or even heading toward that territory.

Is it within the realm of possibility? Sure, just about anything is in a universe of infinite possibilities.

Is it likely? No, not even close.

 

[True Blue]

I don't know if there's anything to concede.

Concede what? Neives has shown nothing, NOTHING, that would show him as anything but a possible 4th line forward. And a fairly ordinary one at that.

 

[nyr2k2]

Concede what? Neives has shown nothing, NOTHING, that would show him as anything but a possible 4th line forward. And a fairly ordinary one at that.

He's played 42 NHL games now, with 14 points. He works hard, he at least tries to play responsible defense, and his speed can be disruptive. I don't know why anyone would doubt, at this point, that he is a legitimate fourth line player. And I think he has the opportunity to be a pretty good one moving forward.

 

[Don Chytil]

Wait.. Kreider and Nieves connected for a goal yesterday?! I didn't catch the game. Were they playing on the same line? Somebody separate them before they ruin the tank!

 

[True Blue]

He's played 42 NHL games now, with 14 points. He works hard, he at least tries to play responsible defense, and his speed can be disruptive. I don't know why anyone would doubt, at this point, that he is a legitimate fourth line player. And I think he has the opportunity to be a pretty good one moving forward.

I am not denying that he can be a 4th line player at all. He can be.

 

[nyr2k2]

I am not denying that he can be a 4th line player at all. He can be.

I know, and what I'm saying is that he IS a fourth line player. In a half-season worth of games he has demonstrated that he is a fourth line player. Whether he remains there the rest of the season, who knows, we do weird shit with out fourth line.

 

[Crease]

TIL Boo Nieves' potential is somewhere between Dom Moore and Sidney Crosby.

 

[McRanger]

TIL Boo Nieves' potential is somewhere between Dom Moore and Sidney Crosby.

Somewhere between Dudley Moore and Sidney Crosby.

 

[Thirty One]

Wait.. Kreider and Nieves connected for a goal yesterday?! I didn't catch the game. Were they playing on the same line? Somebody separate them before they ruin the tank!

I think it was a partial line change. After the goal, Kreider immediately pointed at Boo and screamed "f*** yeah Boo", which I thought was nice as the play was mostly Kreider, Boo just got checked in a manner that allowed the puck to sit there for him.

 

[Matz03]

He's played 42 NHL games now, with 14 points. He works hard, he at least tries to play responsible defense, and his speed can be disruptive. I don't know why anyone would doubt, at this point, that he is a legitimate fourth line player. And I think he has the opportunity to be a pretty good one moving forward.

Right on, and to me he's not just a 4th liner but appears to be a solid 4th liner at that. Not an injury filler call up 4th liner we've seen from other fillers this year. As you said has that disruptive speed and size. He needs to be a full-time pk option as well and hopefully, the kid can get some luck and avoid injury for a stretch.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think it was a partial line change. After the goal, Kreider immediately pointed at Boo and screamed "**** yeah Boo", which I thought was nice as the play was mostly Kreider, Boo just got checked in a manner that allowed the puck to sit there for him.

I mean everything you said is the definition of synergy.

 

[Edge]

I don't know if I'd call him a 4th liner and write it in pen yet, but he's getting there.

 

[bernmeister]

Somewhere between Dudley Moore and Sidney Crosby.

Dudley Moore was a funny dude.
Arthur...

 

[bernmeister]

I think it was a partial line change. After the goal, Kreider immediately pointed at Boo and screamed "**** yeah Boo", which I thought was nice as the play was mostly Kreider, Boo just got checked in a manner that allowed the puck to sit there for him.

I think this is more or less correct.
They still have not played on the same line, let alone for any appreciable amount of time, let alone w/Kreids and Nieves having some practice for familiarity beforehand.

Accordingly it was some kind of line change, apparently.
Whether or not he abandoned it for Chris or it was a very soft touch pass over a short distance, I can't say.
But Boo did 'carry the mail' getting from center/blue line to close to net, taking 2 guys, which created space.
Did basically the same thing the game before w/Chytil.

Anyhoo, let the saga continue...

 

[bernmeister]

immediately after last game prior to All Star break, Nieves and Lindgren sent to the A to keep them sharp.

Nieves is CERTAIN to return ASAP. He played very well, and IMO this is just a means to keep him practiced since he lost all of training camp plus multiple months due to concussion. A couple of forwards will be dealt soon and even if there is no injury replacement, he is the first F call up.

 

[apoptygma]

Think Nieves can be a 4th liner on the magnitude of Boyle and Dom Moore. He is about to turn 25, so not sure if he will be there when the window opens, but he is on a path to have a good career.

 

[haveandare]

He's looked pretty solid the last few games imo. I don't expect much more than a solid bottom 6er from him but that's worth something, and it's always good if you can draft those guys rather than overpay to get them from another team.

 

[True Blue]

Think Nieves can be a 4th liner on the magnitude of Boyle and Dom Moore.

Not sure I am that optimistic. Such a career for him would be all things going right. Not sure that his tool box has that many tools.

 

[n8]

TIL Boo Nieves' potential is somewhere between Dom Moore and Sidney Crosby.

i was gonna say, what's wrong with a Dom Moore or Oscar Lindberg like player? he filled in on higher lines but that was his roll. To fill in. which is not 'permanent promotion'
if Nieves can turn into a bigger and faster Dominic Moore or Lindberg, I call that a win.

 

[Leetch3]

i'd be ecstatic if he become dom moore.

 

[Edge]

Personally, I feel like the gap between a a good third and fourth line player is usually greater than the gap between a good first and second line player.

It's generally why I've been a little more open to referencing players as having "top six potential" and less open to referencing players as having "bottom six potential."

Broadly speaking, I've found that it's easier to have a 1B center, or a second line winger who gels with the right linemates above his "normal" depth position, than it is to consistently ask a fourth line to player on the third line.

Obviously, there are exceptions and it's not a hard rule.

If Nieves can carve out a career for himself as a solid fourth liner, great. I don't particularly see him as dynamic fourth line center per se, nor do I do see him as a guy who would consistently stick on the third line or higher.

But my amusement with Nieves has always been the amount of attention given to him, considering that the debate most often boils down to whether you think he can be a good fourth liner, an average one, or a borderline one.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I won't see Boo as anything else than a 4th line player, but with his size and skating, he has to stay up here and play NHL hockey.

If he ends up a Brian Boyle type of player, we happy.

 

[bernmeister]

...Obviously, there are exceptions and it's not a hard rule.

If Nieves can carve out a career for himself as a solid fourth liner, great. I don't particularly see him as dynamic fourth line center per se, nor do I do see him as a guy who would consistently stick on the third line or higher.

But my amusement with Nieves has always been the amount of attention given to him, considering that the debate most often boils down to whether you think he can be a good fourth liner, an average one, or a borderline one.

Chemistry rules everything since not everyone is compatible equally with everyone else to the same degree.
Ergo, it behooves a club to make the most productive matches possible based on chemistry.

Now while we don't know and can't assume anything FOR SURE, we can reasonably project based on certain likelihoods better probabilities working or not as line combos.

Without Kreider, I see his top as a 3C, with more ability than a less talented 4C, but limited to working with a Buch type and getting mixed results [mindful that Buch has shown us with almost anybody he is a streaky and erratic player and it is not clear who if anyone can get more out of him].

But with Kreider, and what I've said before about complementary aspects of their game matching up to optimize results, esp if we get the correct RW, that is prob Boo's best possible result, all things working out as well as can be hoped for.

Which there is no basis to not even consider, and let alone be willing to at least try, at this point.
Given the experiment a reasonable and correct chance to succeed/fail.

3C is fallback.

 

[Miamipuck]

Why on earth would you put Boo with Kreider? Mika is an order of magnitude better player and works better with Kreider than Boo would ever hope to imagine. You don't just arbitrarily put demonstrably worse players with your best players to give them better stats or move them up in the lineup. If Mika got hurt or had a frontal lobotomy then put Kreider with Hayes who is also demonstrably better than Boo. If Hayes decides to surf and try the tasty waves in Malibu than maybe Boo can play with Kreider. Until that time no. You don't destroy one line to make a mediocre pro look more palatable.