Recalled/Assigned: Boo Nieves to NYR

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

boo-yahh

how do ya like me now?

Are you really going to do this every time he records a point?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Are you really going to do this every time he records a point?

You even have to ask?

 

[Larrybiv]

Seems like a solid 4th liner. Not elite but having him, Strome, and Lias on the 4th line is why I don't think this team is as bad as some think. Teams often have AHL fodder on their 4th line, maybe not as much nowadays, but it used to be that way.

Serious question......you dont think that qualifies as ahl fodder?
Not exactly Ortmeyer, D. Moore and Hollweg but then again things have changed. Many teams have more than decent 4th line players......not sure ours is even close in talent.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Serious question......you dont think that qualifies as ahl fodder?
Not exactly Ortmeyer, D. Moore and Hollweg but then again things have changed. Many teams have more than decent 4th line players......not sure ours is even close in talent.

I don't know, things have changed and I don't follow other teams. So maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Edge]

It's 2019 and we're still talking about Boo Nieves.

That's both impressive and sad.

 

[bernmeister]

It's 2019 and we're still talking about Boo Nieves.

That's both impressive and sad.

Not so sad.
came up 1st time, played well w/Buch and I think Zuc.
Got screw job from AV
holding the fort on the 4th line
but showing good incremental step up playing w/third line

Arguably, he will step up further with better talent
if in top 6.
use with speedy Howden is a prototype in advance of w/Kreider

It will be short, b'c it will be lights out w/Kravtsov when he gets here next year but if Hayes/Zib moved, and Boo gets mins w/CK, he will look even better still, and if allowed adequate time for good chemistry, the synergy will be evident.

 

[Edge]

Not so sad.
came up 1st time, played well w/Buch and I think Zuc.
Got screw job from AV
holding the fort on the 4th line
but showing good incremental step up playing w/third line

Arguably, he will step up further with better talent
if in top 6.
use with speedy Howden is a prototype in advance of w/Kreider

It will be short, b'c it will be lights out w/Kravtsov when he gets here next year but if Hayes/Zib moved, and Boo gets mins w/CK, he will look even better still, and if allowed adequate time for good chemistry, the synergy will be evident.

At the end of the day, we're still debating and discussing a guy who might be a fourth line player.

Not a great fourth line player.

Not a dynamic fourth line center.

A. Serviceable. Fourth. Line. Center.

Maybe.

 

[bernmeister]

At the end of the day, we're still debating and discussing a guy who might be a fourth line player.

Not a great fourth line player.

Not a dynamic fourth line center.

A. Serviceable. Fourth. Line. Center.

Maybe.

We'll see
agree to disagree

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

At the end of the day, we're still debating and discussing a guy who might be a fourth line player.

Not a great fourth line player.

Not a dynamic fourth line center.

A. Serviceable. Fourth. Line. Center.

Maybe.

Pshhhhh you and your logic. It's all about Synergy.

 

[nyr2k2]

At the end of the day, we're still debating and discussing a guy who might be a fourth line player.

Not a great fourth line player.

Not a dynamic fourth line center.

A. Serviceable. Fourth. Line. Center.

Maybe.

I think if Boo could find a basement team in the offseason with no forward depth, where he could really get a full year of consistent play under his belt, he could turn into a good, reliable fourth line player and maybe make himself a career. Not great, but more than serviceable. And he doesn't have to play C--he's always been more offensively productive on the wing.

But yes, at the end of the day, it's a discussion about a fourth liner.

 

[Edge]

I think if Boo could find a basement team in the offseason with no forward depth, where he could really get a full year of consistent play under his belt, he could turn into a good, reliable fourth line player and maybe make himself a career. Not great, but more than serviceable. And he doesn't have to play C--he's always been more offensively productive on the wing.

But yes, at the end of the day, it's a discussion about a fourth liner.

And if he's a reliable fourth line player who creates a career, that's great. I can go with that over serviceable.

But that's probably about the city limits for what I can realistically envision.

 

[nyr2k2]

And if he's a reliable fourth line player who creates a career, that's great. I can go with that over serviceable.

But that's probably about the city limits for what I can realistically envision.

Yep, that's about it for him. I've always been his biggest cheerleader (until bern burst onto the scene), but he just hasn't showed the sense to be anything more than that.

 

[Shootertooter]

This is very reasonable. Oftentimes though even when you say something reasonable your rationale will be choc full of unreasonable, really out there stuff.

My only real problem with your posts is that too often you throw in little bits that make me think this is too much a pride/ego thing. Puts me off. For example



Here for example, you need to demand that someone acquiesces. You flat out tell them to "concede".

You assert that what you said makes sense and you do it seemingly trying to get people to just say you're right about SOMETHING. Most people don't do that or when they do it is infrequently




Like this entire thing is a monument to ego. You want to serve crow to people. You have to emphasize just the possibility that you COULD be right. You literally say "everyone must admit". In fact you INSIST that people must admit it.

Then you talk about persecution? You setup this ego appeasing narrative that people are lining up against you. Why would they? Bc you're so important?

You claim here that people apparently want the NYR organization to be hurt by a prospect failure because they're so focused on you.

Soooooo much of this just reeks of someone who demands attention and appeasement. Idk about other people but sometimes I've been harsh in my reactions to your posts and THIS is why.

Excellent points made here. This is someone crying out for attention, you must concede that. lol.

 

[Shootertooter]

Has there ever in the history of the NHL been a career AHLer/4th line tweener that was catapulted to first line stardom because of his chemistry with another player?

Two subsequent coaches have had the guy pencilled in as 4C at best. Are Quinn and AV both so utterly blind to his talent? Or is it more likely that Nieves is right where he's supposed to be?

Pointing out that his "synergy" is merely one posters "assumption". It is not known if it is even a real thing. I'm sure Zib or Hayes, whomever is currently centering Kreids would likely disagree with the notion of Boo's synergy with Kreider is equal/better to his own. I say that Nieves is right where he deserves to be.

 

[Edge]

Pointing out that this "synergy" is merely one posters "assumption". It is not known if it is even a real thing. I'm sure Zib or Hayes, whomever is currently centering Kreids would likely disagree with the notion of Boo's synergy with Kreider.

I've seen the way Boo looks at him and strokes his hair after they create magic on the ice.

You can't fool me. I see lust in the eyes of Boo.

Synergetic lust.

 

[Shootertooter]

Are you really going to do this every time he records a point?

When he gets demoted, be sure and return the favor with something like....."So much for synergy".
You can have that one.

 

[Shootertooter]

Nieves could become a very useful player but I really don't see his upside as above 4th line. He has less offensive creativity than Jesper Fast but if he were to model the rest of his game after Fast he'd be doing himself a big favor as he's bigger, stronger and faster than Fast. (not unconscious of the pun by the way) Getting in on the forecheck hard, playing physical, being defensively responsible, chipping in offense when he can, killing penalties, being consistent and reliable in what he does. If he can do all that and stay away from serious injury he could become a very good bottom line NHL player.

That is a really good point. Fast has proven he can score a bit. I'd rather see him chasing synergy around the ice than Nieves based on skill. I don't think the team would be best served by Fast being a top liner and I understand he is not a C like Boo is but.....then again, the only reason Nieves is being put in that position is to chase some imaginary chemistry he might have with Kreid's, so who cares about skill or one playing out of position!!!!! FTW!!!

 

[bernmeister]

Boo looked terrif finally on a shift w/Chytil, who finished.
Like I said, defensively responsible, looks to help others drive the offense.

Unfortunately, he is currently spending most mins w/McLeod on checking duty.
FO understandably showcasing Names.
and on the broadcast today's game, said Strome wants to see if he is more comfortable as a pivot [to that effect].

Until Kravtsov gets here
Kreider - Nieves and
1) WNylander if we can get him
or
3) Chytil

 

[bernmeister]

At the end of the day, we're still debating and discussing a guy who might be a fourth line player.

Not a great fourth line player.

Not a dynamic fourth line center.

A. Serviceable. Fourth. Line. Center.

Maybe.

Edge, you're a great poster!
This lack of open mindedness is not like you.

Do we really want to have me play the My Cousin Vinny card, and ask, are you sure, Ms Devito?
lol

 

[Machinehead]

At the end of the day, we're still debating and discussing a guy who might be a fourth line player.

Not a great fourth line player.

Not a dynamic fourth line center.

A. Serviceable. Fourth. Line. Center.

Maybe.

As far as nothing players who get beaten to death, Boo came to the wrong neighborhood if that's what he wants to hang his hat on.

Girardi, Staal, Glass, Jessiman, McIlrath.

If there's one thing this franchise is head and shoulders above the rest in, it's this.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I have no issue with Boo in the bottom 6 whatsoever.

 

[Edge]

Edge, you're a great poster!
This lack of open mindedness is not like you.

Do we really want to have me play the My Cousin Vinny card, and ask, are you sure, Ms Devito?
lol

You do realize we did almost this exact same thing last year when he had a stretch of putting up points as well right?

And even with the points, I don't see a guy who looks like more than fourth liner. It just means he's actually doing what you'd expect a fourth liner to do. I think that's an important distinction to draw and one of the paths that often leads us to over-projecting younger players. When they actually do what they're supposed to, we tend to get ahead of ourselves.

Nieves, on the cusp of his 25th birthday, is doing what he needs to do to stick in the NHL. And sticking in the NHL will almost certainly mean as a fourth line center.

I'm not really sure the conversation has changed much.

 

[bernmeister]

You do realize we did almost this exact same thing last year when he had a stretch of putting up points as well right?

And even with the points, I don't see a guy who looks like more than fourth liner. It just means he's actually doing what you'd expect a fourth liner to do. I think that's an important distinction to draw and one of the paths that often leads us to over-projecting younger players. When they actually do what they're supposed to, we tend to get ahead of ourselves.

Nieves, on the cusp of his 25th birthday, is doing what he needs to do to stick in the NHL. And sticking in the NHL will almost certainly mean as a fourth line center.

I'm not really sure the conversation has changed much.

One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
You only see 4C
I see a 4C who ALSO proved with the right offensive piece(s) can be productive on a higher line.
Why won't you concede to that fact?
Also, I postulated give Nieves adequate practice shifts w/Kreider so they get used to each other.
That has not yet happened and that is a HUGE factor.

Hopefully Hayes, Zib and Namest are all moved for badly needed profit, that will create mins for others, and we shall see.

We likely won't have this discussion in a year regardless, cause likely, Kravtsov = our new 1C once here.

this disagreement notwithstanding, I am a fan
thanks for and keep up the quality posts
peace out

 

[Off Sides]

Seems like another good bridge candidate to me.

 

[bernmeister]

Seems like another good bridge candidate to me.

Everyone should be on the table for the right price.
That said, seeing how it goes as you suggest is sensible to not overpay him and max our roster flexibility.
If he inexplicably emerges further to such a point where we want to lock him up with a bit of term, we can do it just as we are getting there if Boo is game. Agreed, no reason to commit to overpay beforehand, and no reason to reciprocally give him short shrift and a la skapski and let him walk for nothing.