Bolts fan question re Girardi

[GordonGecko]

In fact, ideally, whatever Tampa pays should be deducted from what the Rangers are paying.

Yeah, that's why I was asking. I think that's how it works in baseball - when a player under contract is released, I believe whatever salary he makes from a team that picks him up is subtracted from the old team's bill

 

[GordonGecko]

His income after buy-out:
2017-18: 3.25m + 1.1m = 4.35m
2018-19: 2.75m + 1.1m = 3.86m
2019-20: 1.1m
2020-21: 1.1m
2021-22: 1.1m
2022-23: 1.1m

Spotrac has him at 4/4/3 in cash salary from NYR over the next three seasons, and nothing for the three years after except the phantom cap hit
http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/tampa-bay-lightning/dan-girardi-1933/

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah, that's why I was asking. I think that's how it works in baseball - when a player under contract is released, I believe whatever salary he makes from a team that picks him up is subtracted from the old team's bill

Yes, but this isn't a player being released. A buy-out is different. Viktor Stalberg got his pay from Nashville when he was playing for us as well.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Spotrac has him at 4/4/3 in cash salary from NYR over the next three seasons, and nothing for the three years after except the phantom cap hit
http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/tampa-bay-lightning/dan-girardi-1933/

The total salary, including signing bonus is what they use to calculate the AAV. If you would add the signing bonus, his cap-hit would be higher than 5.5m

It seems like sportrac doesn't specify the signing bonus, which should be deducted from the base salary when calculating the pay-out following a buy-out. The signing bonus is always paid out. He gets 3m signing bonus over the next few years, on top of the 12.6m.

 

[NickyFotiu]

2 seasons ago many people praised Stevie Y as a genius. A lot has changed in just 2 seasons.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

2 seasons ago many people praised Stevie Y as a genius. A lot has changed in just 2 seasons.

Under mentioned misplay by Yzerman: selling this past deadline. Team misses the playoffs by 1 point in a year where they probably could've made the conference finals, if not the Stanley Cup finals

 

[Doctyl]

2 seasons ago many people praised Stevie Y as a genius. A lot has changed in just 2 seasons.

He's been stupid lucky as a GM. He's not good.

 

[Miamipuck]

2011 the Lightning picked up all the triplets, that's some fantastic drafting and UDFA signing. Getting half an exceptional top six in one year can do wonders for a team. Then three years later, they lucked into a #2 defender, who should have never been available, for basically nothing.

That's in addition to Stamkos and Hedman. So yeah Yzerman might have been a little overrated but in a three year period he did rather well to restock his team.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Under mentioned misplay by Yzerman: selling this past deadline. Team misses the playoffs by 1 point in a year where they probably could've made the conference finals, if not the Stanley Cup finals

That's no misplay. The guys that came in played fast and hungry. There was a post-loss interview with Brian Boyle where you could just tell he was mentally spent after losing so much.

EDIT: I should say the misplay was not changing something the previous offseason.

 

[will1066]

Give it time, but Girardi will get an "A" on his sweater.

I wasn't a Girardi hater, but golly, his agent is a genius to get Stevie Y to commit for two years at 3M per.

 

[Inferno]

Yzerman is a fantastic GM...i think people are hating for no reason..im not sold on his Head Coach choice though.

How would the Rangers have been last year losing Henrik from G1? No Stamkos the whole year...missed the playoffs by 1 point.

He's a very shrewed GM..but man..that D.G. contract was AAWWWFFFULLL...as was the Cally contract...those 2 are wtf contracts if ever there was.

 

[sbjnyc]

I didn't, I think I laid it all out accurately. Dolan saves 3, Girardi makes an extra 3, Tampa gets much much slower

G gets to pay less taxes to boot.

While I'm glad he was bought out, I'm also glad he's still around. A shame he won't be back in MSG until the end of the season, though. He'll probably have a great game against us (all ex-rangers seem to) and knock Shattenkirk out on a fluke play.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Under mentioned misplay by Yzerman: selling this past deadline. Team misses the playoffs by 1 point in a year where they probably could've made the conference finals, if not the Stanley Cup finals

They would have steam rolled their way to the finals by beating teams they couldn't all year as well as losing to other teams who didn't make the playoffs either.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

2 seasons ago many people praised Stevie Y as a genius. A lot has changed in just 2 seasons.

Idk Nicky. Opinions change by the nano second now.

When Yzerman wanted Stralman, Stevie was a genius, and everyone in the Rangers organization was a moron.

When Stralman was meh..., Stevie Y was still a genius, and AV was a moron.

When Stevie Y signed Girardi who only plays in the NHL because of AV [before he coached the Rangers] at the demand of Tanner Glass, AV became a genius via Gordie Clark to Jim Gorton, and now Yzerman has brain damage.

*Please note: the opinions on the inner monologues of these professional managers was obtained via watching sports social media over a year, so they are most likely wrong.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

What sux is that if Tampa acquired Girardi for 50% retention for almost nothing, we could have bought out Staal instead....

 

[McD27]

Wonder if JG could've done things diff had he known what TB was going to do.

work out a deal where we pay half or so of DG's salary and be win win for both teams.

Or perhaps they did talk but the 4th and last year of the contract was the deal killer.

I think JG missed an opp to be creative here and save some cap hit for the buyout

 

[RangerFan10]

Under mentioned misplay by Yzerman: selling this past deadline. Team misses the playoffs by 1 point in a year where they probably could've made the conference finals, if not the Stanley Cup finals

I think you're assuming that all the injuries that happened somehow don't if they didn't sell at the deadline. It wasn't as if it were a firesale. Everyone but Filppula was becoming an UFA at year's end.

I don't buy that Filppula, Bishop, Nesterov, and Boyle were the missing pieces for the Lightning in a cup run last season for a second. They weren't for their respective new teams.

Now, using the cap space not bringing back all these UFAs to in part sign Girardi at $3M? Yeah, strange.

But the way the universe works, he'll thrive as a 6th dman who can play more minutes if necessary. He'll help their PK become even better, and he's a good lockerroom guy that they don't seem to have too many of on the roster.

Worst case, he's a familiar friend for Cally to hang with in the trainer's room :x

 

[Leonardo87]

I think you're assuming that all the injuries that happened somehow don't if they didn't sell at the deadline. It wasn't as if it were a firesale. Everyone but Filppula was becoming an UFA at year's end.

I don't buy that Filppula, Bishop, Nesterov, and Boyle were the missing pieces for the Lightning in a cup run last season for a second. They weren't for their respective new teams.

Now, using the cap space not bringing back all these UFAs to in part sign Girardi at $3M? Yeah, strange.

But the way the universe works, he'll thrive as a 6th dman who can play more minutes if necessary. He'll help their PK become even better, and he's a good lockerroom guy that they don't seem to have too many of on the roster.

Worst case, he's a familiar friend for Cally to hang with in the trainer's room :x

Think that last part is important. Callahan is expected to fully recover and be ready for next season, and he needs to prove himself again, and is hungry. Having a close friend again after losing Boyle will be good for him, and also Giradi who needs to prove himself even more. Although, have more confidence in Cally bouncing back to his old form than Giradi, but still think Giradi will be fine in a bottom pairing role, and maybe will rejuvenate himself with a limited role. I just think the cap hit is too much. 1.5 or even 2 would of been ok. Anyway, Just have to wait and see.

 

[TheTakedown]

Since he gets his money from the Rangers either way, it's odd he would get more money for being not-as-good-as-the-original-contract. I mean, that's what a buyout says. I wonder if there's more to the math. Or is it just a bone thrown to the NHLPA?
In fact, ideally, whatever Tampa pays should be deducted from what the Rangers are paying.
Anyhow, good for Dan if true. But it's a bit confusing.

I'm with you here. Buyout rules need to be modified if the game is going to be this fast. On top of the fact that just about everyone doesn't finish their contract, there's really no feasible way out of those contracts. I get spreading the cap hits out, but I'm annoyed at the fact that the signing bonuses have such a ridiculous amount of leverage against the buyout cap hits. I'm also with you on the fact that both teams should be sharing the salary paid out to a bought-out player. That would help immensely with budget teams that can pick up a bought out player.

What i'd really like to see is the ability to restructure a contract when there is a mutual agreement between the team and the player. Similar to something the NFL does

 

[Chimpradamus]

Maybe the idiots called GMs shouldn't deal out NTCs and NMCs like candy on the contracts. That's a good start.

I still don't get why $ather gave Girardi and Staal those extra three letters on their contracts. That's usually reserved for franchise players. Girardi and Staal were never even close to franchise players. But, $ather was incompetent, so I guess there's not much to ask.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Slow.

Icing machine.

Blocks a lot of passes and blocks a lot of shots.

Unfortunately he doesn't do anything after he blocks those passes and shots so the chances keep coming.

his breakout strategy was "Pass to McD/Ice the puck"

 

[Inferno]

The icings when legit options were there was the most frustrating part...particularly for a mediocre at best faceoff team...and a slow blueline (slow means harder to change quickly)

thats a lot more to why his game is awful other than turnovers..its all these small subtle things that add up to horrendousness.

The truth of the matter is, most people see 1 or 2 huge hits and thinks hes a good defenseman..hes really not...

 

[RangerFan10]

I'm with you here. Buyout rules need to be modified if the game is going to be this fast. On top of the fact that just about everyone doesn't finish their contract, there's really no feasible way out of those contracts. I get spreading the cap hits out, but I'm annoyed at the fact that the signing bonuses have such a ridiculous amount of leverage against the buyout cap hits. I'm also with you on the fact that both teams should be sharing the salary paid out to a bought-out player. That would help immensely with budget teams that can pick up a bought out player.

What i'd really like to see is the ability to restructure a contract when there is a mutual agreement between the team and the player. Similar to something the NFL does

The whole reason the signing bonus is supposed to hurt is because if you're giving a player that much as a signing bonus, then it should hurt if you inevitably have to part ways. The real issue is that the incentive is there for GMs to get lower cap hits by spreading the money across years we all know they probably won't play (Kovalchuk contract is/was a prime example of this, and wasn't it Datsyuk or Zetteberg that got a questionably long contract as well?). You'll also notice it's usually teams that can come close to the cap with their payroll that are more inclined to do it.

The NFL structures it similarly with bonuses vs. cap penalties if you release a player, but not all money is guaranteed in the NFL. So players get cut all the time ahead of a bonus they may not deserve being owed at a certain point of the contract or for underperforming. The money being all guaranteed is a bigger issue if we're going to continue down this walk of teams that have the money manipulating the cap by dishing out deals as long as they are, but once money is guaranteed in a CBA there's no way it's going to ever change...the PA would never concede that in renegotiations.

So it sucks for the Rangers that the Rangers are on the hook for Girardi's salary and the (reduced) cap hit over x amount of years, but no one should feel bad for us. We're in the lucky group of teams that can just eat the actual money lost on that buyout and not feel it. If a team like Florida or Phoenix had to pay all this money over the last decade to guys like Wade Redden, Brad Richards, and Girardi to not play, it'd cripple them.

I also disagree on teams sharing the buyout salary. The Rangers decided to part ways with Girardi. He should be able to pursue the best contract he can get; he might've not performed to the contract, but it's not as if he breached the contract. The Rangers are the one that ended things, they don't get to cry fowl about anything.

 

[RangerFan10]

Maybe the idiots called GMs shouldn't deal out NTCs and NMCs like candy on the contracts. That's a good start.

I still don't get why $ather gave Girardi and Staal those extra three letters on their contracts. That's usually reserved for franchise players. Girardi and Staal were never even close to franchise players. But, $ather was incompetent, so I guess there's not much to ask.

It's a domino effect. GMs started it, now if a player wants it, they know they can get the NMC or NTC somewhere else. The NHL has to be the only league of the four major sports where so many players have so much power over where they can or can't be traded.

 

[Fugazy]

I think the question has been asked and sufficiently answered by a lot of fans. Closing this as I think this thread has run its course.