HF Habs: Bobby Mac Final 2024 Draft Ranking List - Tuesday 2024-06-25 - TSN5 - 11:00am EDT

[NicRattlehead]

My word is a gray area. The MRI dataset is needed, and a phone consult with top surgical specialists is also needed, to understand the prognosis for the athlete. Without these answers, he could be anything between a repeat customer at the infirmary and the steal of the draft. If they won't release the MRI, that says a lot. If they do however, that's a start toward real transparency. The location of the injury (lumbar area around L4-L5) makes the swing that wild between these two poles. I find it difficult to believe that all of that has been made public at or since the combine.

I would assume all NHL GM’s/Staff interested in this player would be doing this correct? And by release the MRI, you mean release to the inquiring teams not the general public correct? I mean it of course could or likely will leak but I don’t think it should be the public’s business really unless Lindstrom wants that to be the case.

Do you have a medical background or do you just know a thing or two anatomy? Again, I know financial statements, financial accounting, assurance, taxation etc but this is all Greek to me - I’ve heard lumbar L4-L5 before but I couldn’t point to it on a human body to save my life without using the internet/cheating.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I would assume all NHL GM’s/Staff interested in this player would be doing this correct? And by release the MRI, you mean release to the inquiring teams not the general public correct? I mean it of course could or likely will leak but I don’t think it should be the public’s business really unless Lindstrom wants that to be the case.

Do you have a medical background or do you just know a thing or two anatomy? Again, I know financial statements, financial accounting, assurance, taxation etc but this is all Greek to me - I’ve heard lumbar L4-L5 before but I couldn’t point to it on a human body to save my life without using the internet/cheating.

I'm not an MD, but I have a PhD in Biomedical Engineering (McGill 2002, where oddly enough, BME is part of the Faculty of Medicine). I do research in scoliosis surgery planning, with my former PhD student, which we are now developing as a startup; I cited my work elsewhere on this forum. I am well familiar with the biomechanics of the spine. But I only stand in the OR to take notes, never involved in any procedure. No patient in their right mind would want me poking in there.

To answer your question, yes, only release it to team doctors. Otherwise, you would see 3D skin reconstructions of the athlete's pelvic area percolating the Internet, obviously an undesirable outcome. The average person may not know what to look for anyway, and would be hard-pressed to find the L5.

 

[Miller Time]

The Habs haven't had a single prospect like Benson or Skinner or Savoie in how long?

Caufield, Cole. Class of 2019
Roy, Joshua. Class of 2021
Slafkovsky, Juraj. Class of 2022

 

[Benstheman]

I am a sufferer of long chronic pain............
L3 bulging, L4 bulging, and L5 bulging and herniated, and S1 is in there also......had epidural injections 3 years ago and it went badly.

Feel for anyone who suffers with lower back pain.
Hope the kid Lidstrom is going to be ok.

Spondylolistesis??
I had that and got surgery at 18yo. Couldn't walk pr sit for 6 months after that but now i'm totally fine.

 

[Tyson]

Caufield, Cole. Class of 2019
Roy, Joshua. Class of 2021
Slafkovsky, Juraj. Class of 2022

Damn it stop! You are stating facts! That's not allowed here

 

[ReHabs]

Caufield, Cole. Class of 2019
Roy, Joshua. Class of 2021
Slafkovsky, Juraj. Class of 2022

Caufield -- not a skill playmaker archetype but rather a goalscoring sniper type. but we're super happy with him and that pick, aren't we?
Roy -- later pick, not the same, doesn't count in this discussion of top picks
Slafkovsky -- not a skill playmaker archetype, but rather a unicorn 1OA

I wouldn't count any of them in the same bucket as Benson, Michkov, Catton, Demidov, etc. When's the last time we had a high-end forward playmaker (other than Slafkovsky)?

Damn it stop! You are stating facts! That's not allowed here

We're having a hockey discussion here, no need for snark.

 

[Tyson]

Caufield -- not a skill playmaker archetype but rather a goalscoring sniper type. but we're super happy with him and that pick, aren't we?
Roy -- later pick, not the same, doesn't count in this discussion of top picks
Slafkovsky -- not a skill playmaker archetype, but rather a unicorn 1OA

I wouldn't count any of them in the same bucket as Benson, Michkov, Catton, Demidov, etc. When's the last time we had a high-end forward playmaker (other than Slafkovsky)?


We're having a hockey discussion here, no need for snark.

Imo he stated facts which I can appreciate. I do appreciate yours and others posts! Keep em coming

 

[ReHabs]

I'm not an MD, but I have a PhD in Biomedical Engineering (McGill 2002, where oddly enough, BME is part of the Faculty of Medicine). I do research in scoliosis surgery planning, with my former PhD student, which we are now developing as a startup; I cited my work elsewhere on this forum. I am well familiar with the biomechanics of the spine. But I only stand in the OR to take notes, never involved in any procedure. No patient in their right mind would want me poking in there.

To answer your question, yes, only release it to team doctors. Otherwise, you would see 3D skin reconstructions of the athlete's pelvic area percolating the Internet, obviously an undesirable outcome. The average person may not know what to look for anyway, and would be hard-pressed to find the L5.

I'm in patient rooms all the time for my work, sometimes with the lab coat, and have been confused for being a doctor too. It's pretty embarrassing, I find. At least the patients in your OR are asleep. I have to gulp down and tell them "no, I'm just managing researchers and your personal health data but please ignore me"

 

[26Mats]

Caufield -- not a skill playmaker archetype but rather a goalscoring sniper type. but we're super happy with him and that pick, aren't we?
Roy -- later pick, not the same, doesn't count in this discussion of top picks
Slafkovsky -- not a skill playmaker archetype, but rather a unicorn 1OA

I wouldn't count any of them in the same bucket as Benson, Michkov, Catton, Demidov, etc. When's the last time we had a high-end forward playmaker (other than Slafkovsky)?


We're having a hockey discussion here, no need for snark.

I'm hopeful Dach can become a high end playmaker. One, he has to find a way to stay healthy. Then we'll see just how much skill he has. He has a lot of potential to become a dominant playmaker. Really want to see him play with two good offensive players. Nice to see Suzuki playing with Slaf and Caufield. Now let's get Dach two wingers on that level - one at the draft, and via trade or free agency. Maybe Roy or Newhook will make it to that level one day.

 

[Habs]

I was a litigation lawyer for over 30 years and made a fortune suing infallible doctors. So I take no one's word for it. At 5 OA in a deep, top heavy draft, you don't take unnecessary gambles.

You ever watch the master of litigation... Charlie.... from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia?

 

[417]

That’s where risk reward debates come into play…..is the calculated gamble worth the risk or do you go slightly lesser maybe and go for the sure thing?

This is why they get paid the big bucks

Personally, I've found the reporting and discourse around Lindstrom back injury in bad taste and you could see in a recent interview he did with Mike Masters (I think is his name) where he kept grilling him about it, that he was annoyed with it.

Most of the people discussing his back injury, have no clue on the severity or how his recovery is going. Yet the discourse is almost like this injury is debilitating and career threatening.

I find it irresponsible for folks to use guesswork as fact an assume things. This kind of stuff actually affects where he will be drafted and playing in his career. If you don't know for sure, maybe it's better to not speculate.

That's just me.

 

[JoelWarlord]

So we either get Lindstrom and the back injuries end up being Cody Hodgson bad, or we get Demidov and he's somehow the first Russian 1st rounder to never actually come over to the NHL in decades right?

 

[BaseballCoach]

I for one do not think he (Lindstrom) is a center in the NHL. More like a power forward winger. I see him skate with his head down and in his highlight reels, I'm not seeing the vision a NHL center would require. I see a physical forward who brings it and has a good shot. That's power forward winger all day long for me.

I agree 100%. Lindstrom is a Chris Kreider to me, minus the elite deflection ability. Good pick, but not a 5OA.

I would rather have Catton carrying the puck heads up through the neutral zone like Jack Hughes does, prepared to create plays. I like Demidov's creativity as well.

Personally, I've found the reporting and discourse around Lindstrom back injury in bad taste and you could see in a recent interview he did with Mike Masters (I think is his name) where he kept grilling him about it, that he was annoyed with it.

Most of the people discussing his back injury, have no clue on the severity or how his recovery is going. Yet the discourse is almost like this injury is debilitating and career threatening.

I find it irresponsible for folks to use guesswork as fact an assume things. This kind of stuff actually affects where he will be drafted and playing in his career. If you don't know for sure, maybe it's better to not speculate.

That's just me.

There are other reasons for me to pass on Lindstrom at 5OA. As an accountant and not a doctor, I've never mentioned the back injury as a reason.

 

[Miller Time]

Caufield -- not a skill playmaker archetype but rather a goalscoring sniper type. but we're super happy with him and that pick, aren't we?
Roy -- later pick, not the same, doesn't count in this discussion of top picks
Slafkovsky -- not a skill playmaker archetype, but rather a unicorn 1OA

I wouldn't count any of them in the same bucket as Benson, Michkov, Catton, Demidov, etc. When's the last time we had a high-end forward playmaker (other than Slafkovsky)?

High draft pick & high end playmaker are not the same thing.

Is Brayden Point not a high end playmaker? Kucherov?

I'd put Josh Roy in the same bucket as Benson or Savoie, regardless of draft spot.

If the point is that we haven't drafted a small framed playmaker with a top 15 pick in a long time... Ok, sure. I'm not really clear on what relevance this has to our NHL roster success


We did draft Mesar with 26OA recently.
Suzuki is a playmaker and was a top 15 pick. Dach & Newhook as well. Certainly of similar vein to Skinner as far as "playmaker" skill set.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I'm actually more worried about lidstrom being a scrub than his back injury

 

[417]

There are other reasons for me to pass on Lindstrom at 5OA. As an accountant and not a doctor, I've never mentioned the back injury as a reason.

I wasn't calling you or anyone here out specifically, we get the information given to us by the media, so my message was more for them.

The amount of public discourse surrounding this injury, doesn't seem to match what we're hearing from the player, agent and his medical reports.

 

[Tyson]

I wasn't calling you or anyone here out specifically, we get the information given to us by the media, so my message was more for them.

The amount of public discourse surrounding this injury, doesn't seem to match what we're hearing from the player, agent and his medical reports.

A bunch of fans with limited knowledge of what's really going on will speculate to no end. It is what it is as Demidov would say

 

[ReHabs]

If the point is that we haven't drafted a small framed playmaker with a top 15 pick in a long time... Ok, sure. I'm not really clear on what relevance this has to our NHL roster success

TopX picks are generally the best prospects in that year's cohort. The Habs have not drafted a known playmaker with a top15 pick in a long time. When's the last one? Kotkaniemi was a generalist. Galchenyuk in 2012? It's 2024.

The amount of public discourse surrounding this injury, doesn't seem to match what we're hearing from the player, agent and his medical reports.

Why would the player or his agent share his medical reports with the public? And why would the player or his agent bring any extra attention to the injury?

 

[Ozmodiar]

I'm hopeful Dach can become a high end playmaker. One, he has to find a way to stay healthy. Then we'll see just how much skill he has. He has a lot of potential to become a dominant playmaker. Really want to see him play with two good offensive players. Nice to see Suzuki playing with Slaf and Caufield. Now let's get Dach two wingers on that level - one at the draft, and via trade or free agency. Maybe Roy or Newhook will make it to that level one day.

One of the biggest questions for the Habs right now - who’s going to drive the offense on the 2nd line? They have to find a playmaker / passer / transition player.

They were going to evaluate Dach there last season and it didn’t happen. Do they have confidence that he can fill that role and that he’s healthy? If not, outside of a trade (Zegras), they’ll have to rely on the draft.

 

[417]

Why would the player or his agent share his medical reports with the public? And why would the player or his agent bring any extra attention to the injury?

I didn't say they did or should share it with the public, but they clearly made it available to teams and it was leaked that there wasn't any real concern, so i'm not sure why there's still discussion like this is some chronic, debilitating injury.

If it was a concern, we would all know...and he wouldn't be going #5 on Bon MacKenzie's list of polled scouts.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

The most talented forwards in this draft are Demidov and Catton. Celebrini is a solid player who will likely not be the best player of the 2024 class down the road but I understand why he is going 1st due to his floor.

But I want either Demidov or Catton at 5OA, and think odds are heavy that this is doable. Then I'd like to move up to the 9-12 range and snag Eiserman or at worst one of Lindstrom, Iginla or Sennecke, or if we are lucky, a franchise defenceman who has slipped down.

I have the same targets, but I don’t believe Catton is on the Habs radar. We will see.

 

[Schooner Guy]

If it was a concern, we would all know...and he wouldn't be going #5 on Bon MacKenzie's list of polled scouts.

The scouts polled would give very little consideration to the injury when they submit their lists as the injury isn't in their lane. That's where team medical staff comes into play.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Iggy has just as much talent than Catton. Iggy has better international numbers. Age difference has to be considered here.

No he doesn’t.

 

[417]

The scouts polled would give very little consideration to the injury when they submit their lists as the injury isn't in their lane. That's where team medical staff comes into play.

Hmmm...not sure about that, if his medicals had come back with negative information, i'm sure it would affect where he was ranked.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

We need more offense, so winger or centre is needed. Do it HuGo.

You do realize that dmen can provide a ton of offence as well right?

It is such fan trope to refer as forwards as offence and defencemen as defence.