HF Habs: Bobby Mac Final 2024 Draft Ranking List - Tuesday 2024-06-25 - TSN5 - 11:00am EDT

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

So what are your thoughts here?

Do not draft?

That injury scares the bejeezus out of me, as much as I like the player otherwise. As mentioned before, I think that the player and agent are making a show of being transparent, but I am skeptical that they actually went as far as sharing their MRI (involves a digital transfer of a GB+ of data). I would plan a phone consult with some of best surgeons in this area first, like that German clinic that was discussed earlier, or some of the top US ones in ADR (google "ADR spine"). Obviously, they wouldn't put a cervical disc in a lumbar slot, so the lumbar disc would be designed to bear the weight in that L4-L5 area, but this is not a 2-foot putt that many are making this out to be. I certainly wouldn't kowtow to what scouts say (think of the Moneyball scene with the hapless scouts at the table).

In any event, if we were to put a metric on the motor cortex itself, and value it as much as height and speed, I would pick Catton if Demidov is not there. Maybe even if he is.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That injury scares the bejeezus out of me, as much as I like the player otherwise. As mentioned before, I think that the player and agent are making a show of being transparent, but I am skeptical that they actually went as far as sharing their MRI. I would plan a phone consult with some of best surgeons in this area first, like that German clinic that was discussed earlier, or some of the top US ones in ADR (google "ADR spine"). Obviously, they wouldn't put a cervical disc in a lumbar slot, so the lumbar disc would be designed to bear the weight in that L4-L5 area, but this is not a 2-foot putt that many are making this out to be.

In any event, if we were to put a metric on the motor cortex itself, and value it as much as height and speed, I would pick Catton if Demidov is not there. Maybe even if he is.

Yeah, that's what I figured. We can't have nice things here. I was really excited about drafting him. But if he really is that big a risk, I hope we shop elsewhere.

 

[BLONG7]

Cheers, Blong. I have to. One of my startups deals with scoliosis surgery planning.

I am a sufferer of long chronic pain............
L3 bulging, L4 bulging, and L5 bulging and herniated, and S1 is in there also......had epidural injections 3 years ago and it went badly.

Feel for anyone who suffers with lower back pain.
Hope the kid Lidstrom is going to be ok.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Yeah, that's what I figured. We can't have nice things here. I was really excited about drafting him. But if he really is that big a risk, I hope we shop elsewhere.

I would still schedule that call with those surgeons. Maybe, like Eichel, he could thrive with a lumbar procedure, but some detail-savvy team will have to do its homework on this one.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I would still schedule that call with those surgeons. Maybe, like Eichel, he could thrive with a lumbar procedure, but some detail-savvy team will have to do its homework on this one.

Okay, but then you're drafting a player and planning on surgery. If it's that serious, why not just skip it and draft somebody else?

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I am a sufferer of long chronic pain............
L3 bulging, L4 bulging, and L5 bulging and herniated, and S1 is in there also......had epidural injections 3 years ago and it went badly.

Feel for anyone who suffers with lower back pain.
Hope the kid Lidstrom is going to be ok.

I try to prevent this with regular yoga, in addition to lifelong tennis. Maybe these newer procedures are viable for you.

Okay, but then you're drafting a player and planning on surgery. If it's that serious, why not just skip it and draft somebody else?

At 5, certainly. But at 14 or 15? Possible steal. Also, if I were one of HuGo., I would actually ask for the MRI. If it's not forthcoming, then the player has something to hide.

 

[StCaufield]

Not picking on you at all but it seems like every forward prospect with size that is highly rated gets the “he reminds me of Rantanen” comment.

I’ve actually never heard that before lol about anyone from any team. I guess my blood pressure is safe

 

[themilosh]

That injury scares the bejeezus out of me, as much as I like the player otherwise. As mentioned before, I think that the player and agent are making a show of being transparent, but I am skeptical that they actually went as far as sharing their MRI (involves a digital transfer of a GB+ of data). I would plan a phone consult with some of best surgeons in this area first, like that German clinic that was discussed earlier, or some of the top US ones in ADR (google "ADR spine"). Obviously, they wouldn't put a cervical disc in a lumbar slot, so the lumbar disc would be designed to bear the weight in that L4-L5 area, but this is not a 2-foot putt that many are making this out to be. I certainly wouldn't kowtow to what scouts say (think of the Moneyball scene with the hapless scouts at the table).

In any event, if we were to put a metric on the motor cortex itself, and value it as much as height and speed, I would pick Catton if Demidov is not there. Maybe even if he is.

As much as ive wanted Lindstrom all year to fall on our laps, I agree with you, simply too big a risk at #5.. im hoping Hugo can trade back (w/5) and up (w/26) try to nab D (Dickinson or Yakemchuck) & F (Iggy or Eiserman).

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

As much as ive wanted Lindstrom all year to fall on our laps, I agree with you, simply too big a risk at #5.. im hoping Hugo can trade back (w/5) and up (w/26) try to nab D (Dickinson or Yakemchuck) & F (Iggy or Eiserman).

That would be an outrageous outcome, if that could be implemented. That would take some juggling, but anyone who has seen the conditions on the Calgary first rounder understands that HuGo have a black belt in NHL asset juggling.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Lindstrom is an interesting case

Its easy for fans and even these BMacs connections to say Lindstrom is a top 5 prospect, its another when your job is on the line and you actually have to make the pick and take the brunt if the injury does become an issue

I think teams just starting their rebuild may have more runway then MTL. If you plan on being bad for many more years, you might be more willing to go high risk, high reward knowing you may have 4-5 yrs more of high picks

 

[NicRattlehead]

I’ve actually never heard that before lol about anyone from any team. I guess my blood pressure is safe

Pundits have said it frequently about Slafkovsky “he reminds me of Rantanen”. Kaapo Kakko and Leo Carlsson have also been frequently compared to him, at least as prospects. There are several others but those 3 definitely come to mind.

The only players I can think of that get more comparisons to them are every defenseman with offensive upside being compared to Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes.

 

[Boris Le Tigre]

No risk it no biscuit.

Run to the stage and draft Lindstrom!

 

[NicRattlehead]

Eichel's injury was a neck injury, not a back injury. And the issue was the type of surgery Eichel wanted to do that went against the recommendations of Buffalo's medical team, not the injury itself.

Apologies. Neck injury, back injury. Neither are good. There were a ton of people saying “don’t take that guy, injury is a huge risk with him” regardless. I’m not in the medical field nor did I really follow the situation closely but I definitely remember a large group of people not wanting to trade for Eichel or give up too much for him because of the injury risk.

 

[Habs]

If Hugo makes a move to get us 1 more top pick, I'll take @OldCraig71 out to a buffet of his choice

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

If Hugo makes a move to get us 1 more top pick, I'll take @OldCraig71 out to a buffet of his choice

Early bird special!!!!!

 

[sampollock]

Early bird special!!!!!

The dessert bar is huge

 

[NicRattlehead]

As I mentioned elsewhere, there is a difference between a cervical spine injury, as in Eichel's, vs a thoracic, or worse still, a lumbar injury, which I think is the case for Lindstrom, since his caused issues with his sciatic nerve. The lumbar area is much more weight bearing than than the cervical portion of the spine, so the artificial disc replacement (ADR) procedure that worked with Eichel probably entails more risk for Lindstrom, if it comes to that. View attachment 887298

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I’m a CPA or Certified Public Accountant for those who are not Americans. I know jack squat about medicine so I’ll take your word for it.

My assumption is still the same though - If we take Lindstrom I have to assume his medical issues aren’t a major concern or his upside outweighs the medical concerns.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

The dessert bar is huge

Damn diet

Now im hungry

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

If Hugo makes a move to get us 1 more top pick, I'll take @OldCraig71 out to a buffet of his choice

Will you chew it for him, or is he autonomous in that capacity?

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Will you chew it for him, or is he autonomous in that capacity?

Probably gonna eat stewed prunes

No chewing and no pushing on the way out

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I’m a CPA or Certified Public Accountant for those who are not Americans. I know jack squat about medicine so I’ll take your word for it.

My assumption is still the same though - If we take Lindstrom I have to assume his medical issues aren’t a major concern or his upside outweighs the medical concerns.

My word is a gray area. The MRI dataset is needed, and a phone consult with top surgical specialists is also needed, to understand the prognosis for the athlete. Without these answers, he could be anything between a repeat customer at the infirmary and the steal of the draft. If they won't release the MRI, that says a lot. If they do however, that's a start toward real transparency. The location of the injury (lumbar area around L4-L5) makes the swing that wild between these two poles. I find it difficult to believe that all of that has been made public at or since the combine.

 

[jaffy27]

Okay, but then you're drafting a player and planning on surgery. If it's that serious, why not just skip it and draft somebody else?

That’s where risk reward debates come into play…..is the calculated gamble worth the risk or do you go slightly lesser maybe and go for the sure thing?

This is why they get paid the big bucks

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

6 out of 10 scouts had Demidov at 2. Bros, it's DemidOver

That doesn't mean that their organization would actually select him.....big difference in naming a player as the second best prospect and actually drafting him there. I also suspect that none of the scouts that are polled are picking any where near the top 5 as it would be asinine for them to share any info, even anonymously.

 

[Miller Time]

In 2022, Wright was #2, barely missing #1 spot to Slaf...

Let's hope Demidov slides the same way

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I’m a CPA or Certified Public Accountant for those who are not Americans. I know jack squat about medicine so I’ll take your word for it.

My assumption is still the same though - If we take Lindstrom I have to assume his medical issues aren’t a major concern or his upside outweighs the medical concerns.

I was a litigation lawyer for over 30 years and made a fortune suing infallible doctors. So I take no one's word for it. At 5 OA in a deep, top heavy draft, you don't take unnecessary gambles.